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Underdog · 08-10-2012, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

No they did NOT do that. Letting Tyson go for nothing and then getting Odom was NOT putting their best team out there.

You're tossing the word "unknowable" around, then acting like the Mavs KNEW that the reigning 6th Man of the Year was going to be a complete bust when he came to Dallas?? Our front office put together a damn good team on paper while still maintaining flexibility to go after Deron and Dwight - the fact that none of that panned out was completely unknowable... Especially the part about Odom - he should've at least helped to mitigate the loss of Tyson Chandler.

dude1394 · 08-10-2012, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

You're tossing the word "unknowable" around, then acting like the Mavs KNEW that the reigning 6th Man of the Year was going to be a complete bust when he came to Dallas?? Our front office put together a damn good team on paper while still maintaining flexibility to go after Deron and Dwight - the fact that none of that panned out was completely unknowable... Especially the part about Odom - he should've at least helped to mitigate the loss of Tyson Chandler.

They didn't know about odom before they let tyson go. If they had traded for Odom then I think your opinion makes a little more sense. Odom dropped into their lap, had the expiring contract they wanted so they took it. Completely fortuitous, not planned.

It's all unknowable to some extent. It's unknowable that the team was just flat out lucky in '11, it's unknowable that the team wouldn't have been just as competitive last year if they knew they were all together, it's unknowable what Deron would have done if Tyson was here.

What IS knowable is that the mavs had the best team in basketball, the best center that I can think of next to dirk and they decided to roll the dice. Some folks say that was really smart, I think it was really dumb. Who is right is also unknowable.

Underdog · 08-10-2012, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

They didn't know about odom before they let tyson go. If they had traded for Odom then I think your opinion makes a little more sense. Odom dropped into their lap, had the expiring contract they wanted so they took it. Completely fortuitous, not planned.

The flexibilty needed to take advantage of that situation was 100% planned. The front office knew that the new CBA would allow for certain opportunities to arise, and when they did, the Mavs would be poised to strike.

DevinHarriswillstart · 08-10-2012, 03:47 PM

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You're tossing the word "unknowable" around, then acting like the Mavs KNEW that the reigning 6th Man of the Year was going to be a complete bust when he came to Dallas?? Our front office put together a damn good team on paper while still maintaining flexibility to go after Deron and Dwight - the fact that none of that panned out was completely unknowable... Especially the part about Odom - he should've at least helped to mitigate the loss of Tyson Chandler.

Exactly. Dude can't have it both ways with the "unknowable." Unlucky is more of the word I would use...unlucky with Odom, unlucky about Joe Johnston, and unlucky that Orlando is now having a mad hatter tea party. But why cry for the rest of the summer? Look at what went right. Lucky Kaman is here for one year, 8 million. Luck Mayo turned down bigger offers to play for Rick. Lucky Indiana overvalued Mahinmi to get Collison and Jones. Lucky to get Brand for 2.1 mil. Lucky that there was a plan B...at all. It may not be exciting like landing Williams, but it certainly looks very smart. Smart is often the best route to take.

dude1394 · 08-10-2012, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Exactly. Dude can't have it both ways with the "unknowable." Unlucky is more of the word I would use...unlucky with Odom, unlucky about Joe Johnston, and unlucky that Orlando is now having a mad hatter tea party. But why cry for the rest of the summer? Look at what went right. Lucky Kaman is here for one year, 8 million. Luck Mayo turned down bigger offers to play for Rick. Lucky Indiana overvalued Mahinmi to get Collison and Jones. Lucky to get Brand for 2.1 mil. Lucky that there was a plan B...at all. It may not be exciting like landing Williams, but it certainly looks very smart. Smart is often the best route to take.

That is your opinion and fine. I think it smarter to ride a hot stock when it's hot and not sell it "thinking" it might quit on you.

This team is not playing for a championship...probably won't ever in dirk's career. Okay by you, that's smart.

DevinHarriswillstart · 08-10-2012, 03:57 PM

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This team is not playing for a championship...probably won't ever in dirk's career. Okay by you, that's smart.

Speaking of unknowable in August...that statement right there. If only one of Collison, Mayo, Kaman, Roddy, whoever becomes a star, then you're right back in the thick if things with a great trade asset to boot. Mayo probably has the best chance of having that kind of year.

purplefrog · 08-10-2012, 04:26 PM

I believe that both the path taken by the FO and an alternative where they keep the nucleus of the Championship team are defensible and logical. Which way you jump is based on opinion and speculation. My preference would have been to keep Tyson, JJ, JKidd and JET and let them ride out the remainder of Dirk's career. However, I can't strongly argue with Donnie and Cubes approach to reloading and keeping financial flexibility. It is downright unbelievable they were able to put together this quality roster with one year deals. Absolutely remarkable and I gave the MBT no chance of doing this. So, I tip my hat to the FO even though in my heart I wish the Championship nucleus was still here in Dallas. I enjoyed rooting for that team, I enjoyed the chemistry and the magic they brought to the court.

LonghornDub · 08-10-2012, 04:36 PM

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I enjoyed rooting for that team, I enjoyed the chemistry and the magic they brought to the court.

Well, hey, at least this route preserves that magic and mystique forever.

dude1394 · 08-10-2012, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

You're tossing the word "unknowable" around, then acting like the Mavs KNEW that the reigning 6th Man of the Year was going to be a complete bust when he came to Dallas?? Our front office put together a damn good team on paper while still maintaining flexibility to go after Deron and Dwight - the fact that none of that panned out was completely unknowable... Especially the part about Odom - he should've at least helped to mitigate the loss of Tyson Chandler.

You and I competely disagree about odom. He could not come close to replacing what a mobile center can bring. He also played the same position as the dirkster, I thought it ill-fitting from the get go.

Nellie would have loved the move however.

Thespiralgoeson · 08-10-2012, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

You're tossing the word "unknowable" around, then acting like the Mavs KNEW that the reigning 6th Man of the Year was going to be a complete bust when he came to Dallas?? Our front office put together a damn good team on paper while still maintaining flexibility to go after Deron and Dwight - the fact that none of that panned out was completely unknowable... Especially the part about Odom - he should've at least helped to mitigate the loss of Tyson Chandler.

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