Gerald Green Bandwagon

[sefant77]

I often dream what would be if we could throw Wright, Green, Carroll and Stack in a big blender and get one player out...damn perfect.

This season still wasnt Greens time. He was still too raw, did too many faults and his bad defense didnt help either. Maybe one more summer helps him but will we bring him back?

Terry, Wright and Carroll are for sure on the team. Stack is probably gone.

With the draft pick we would need definatly a 2:1 or 3:1 deal to open the 14/15th spot for Green next season because im also sure that the Mavs wanna bring back Singleton and Hollins more than Green.

But same time that bigger 2 or 3:1 trade will probable bring a new and even better SG (ok, or a new center).

Well, i hope he has a good summer and we have a spot open for him. He is a good kid and he isnt far away from being a good roleplayer.

[bernardos70]

Originally Posted by sefant77

I often dream what would be if we could throw Wright, Green, Carroll and Stack in a big blender and get one player out...damn perfect.

How about if you could do that but then you'd have to put one one player's fatal flaws in it? Would you choose a player that:

-Had Green's hops, Wright's defense, Carroll's long distance shot and was 38 and injury prone?

-Had Stack's tenacity, Wright's defense, Carroll's long distance shot but took bad shots all the time??

-Had Carroll's shooting touch, Stack's toughness, Green's athleticism, and had the scoring ability of a 3 year old?

-Had Stack's toughness, Green's athleticism, Wright's defense, and had the athleticism of Dick Cheney?

[tcat075]

Originally Posted by bernardos70

How about if you could do that but then you'd have to put one one player's fatal flaws in it? Would you choose a player that:

-Had Green's hops, Wright's defense, Carroll's long distance shot and was 38 and injury prone?

-Had Stack's tenacity, Wright's defense, Carroll's long distance shot but took bad shots all the time??

-Had Carroll's shooting touch, Stack's toughness, Green's athleticism, and had the scoring ability of a 3 year old?

-Had Stack's toughness, Green's athleticism, Wright's defense, and had the athleticism of Dick Cheney?

1. Isn't Stack 45?
2. I think Green's jumper might be better than Caroll's.
3. How can you have a shooting touch but the scoring ability of a 3 years old?

[LSMF]

Originally Posted by bernardos70

How about if you could do that but then you'd have to put one one player's fatal flaws in it? Would you choose a player that:

-Had Green's hops, Wright's defense, Carroll's long distance shot and was 38 and injury prone?

-Had Stack's tenacity, Wright's defense, Carroll's long distance shot but took bad shots all the time??

-Had Carroll's shooting touch, Stack's toughness, Green's athleticism, and had the scoring ability of a 3 year old?

-Had Stack's toughness, Green's athleticism, Wright's defense, and had the athleticism of Dick Cheney?

This is contradictory...

[tcat075]

Wright, Carroll, Green and Stack?

I've always thought Wright, Green and JJ would make more sense...

Anyway, I think they may bring him back. Right now, he's the "project", and that's more than any other team can say about him who have had him on the roster. At least Minnesota and Houston...for them, he was a benchwarmer, period. For us, he's a benchwarmer who gets a lot of solo time with coaches and trainers in hopes that he will become more than a benchwarmer...

[TheMaverick]

1. no
2. doubtful
3. easy--being stupid.

[tcat075]

Originally Posted by TheMaverick

1. no
2. doubtful
3. easy--being stupid.

1. you're right, he's 65

[joebobbill]

Green's inability to excel at defense is not physical, it's mental. If you want to play skill-mix-and-match, consider what Green would be with JJB's court sense.

[iella]

Originally Posted by joebobbill

Green's inability to excel at defense is not physical, it's mental. If you want to play skill-mix-and-match, consider what Green would be with JJB's court sense.

While you're dreaming, why not give him JKidd's court sense?

[Thomas86]

If we beat the Spurs than expect Green to play alot of minutes if we play the Nuggets because the Nuggets don't have an answer for Green and he's almost like another J.R. Smith.

[tcat075]

Originally Posted by Thomas86

If we beat the Spurs than expect Green to play alot of minutes if we play the Nuggets because the Nuggets don't have an answer for Green and he's almost like another J.R. Smith.

Not.

Because last I checked, rotations became even smaller in the playoffs. We aren't going to put a non-rotation player into our playoff rotation.

And how do the Nuggets "not have an answer" for Green. Its not like he's exactly lit them up this year. Hell, I'm not sure he's played in but one or two of the games...

[Thomas86]

Originally Posted by tcat075

Not.

Because last I checked, rotations became even smaller in the playoffs. We aren't going to put a non-rotation player into our playoff rotation.

And how do the Nuggets "not have an answer" for Green. Its not like he's exactly lit them up this year. Hell, I'm not sure he's played in but one or two of the games...

Ok The last time I checked Hollins wasn't part of the "rotation" and he's getting minutes now explain that then, go back and look at the box scores and see how many points Green had then man....you can't sit up here and tell me that it we get past the Spurs and play Denver that Carlisle is not gonna try Green in the series, Carlisle did the same thing with Tayshaun Prince when he was with the Pistons...Prince didn't play at all during he season and then played alot in the Playoffs.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by tcat075

Not.

Because last I checked, rotations became even smaller in the playoffs. We aren't going to put a non-rotation player into our playoff rotation.

And how do the Nuggets "not have an answer" for Green. Its not like he's exactly lit them up this year. Hell, I'm not sure he's played in but one or two of the games...

AGREED, and it is just plain stupid to compare J.R Smith to Greene, Smith is the better ball handler, distributor, decision maker, defender, scorer (yes it is an art), and shooter. I have seen some stupid comments but this may just take the cake

[LSMF]

Originally Posted by tcat075

Not.

Because last I checked, rotations became even smaller in the playoffs. We aren't going to put a non-rotation player into our playoff rotation.

And how do the Nuggets "not have an answer" for Green. Its not like he's exactly lit them up this year. Hell, I'm not sure he's played in but one or two of the games...

Didn't Green score 12 points in 10 minutes vs Denver a couple of months ago? I still remember him having a crazy tomahawk dunk, a mid range j, 2 3ptrs, an up under move.

We need Greens athleticism in this series. I know he can finish around the rim, dude 6'8 and has tons of hops. Cant Carlislie at least play him for like 10 mins? Especially now that Howard is hurt.

[joemoeschmoe]

Sadly, I think you're right.

[dude1394]

Green would just feed the turnover machine man. Can't believe a guy who's shown nothing but knuckleheadedness all year gets tossed around during the second round of the playoffs.

Of all the bench players, G$ is the only one who hasn't gotten better as the year went on.

[LSMF]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Green would just feed the turnover machine man. Can't believe a guy who's shown nothing but knuckleheadedness all year gets tossed around during the second round of the playoffs.

Of all the bench players, G$ is the only one who hasn't gotten better as the year went on.

But G$ is the one who had his minutes reduced over the season though.How much could it hurt to play him lets say 5-10 minutes in the second? I know he's cant be that horrible as some are making him out to be.

[tcat075]

Originally Posted by longsufferingmavsfan

But G$ is the one who had his minutes reduced over the season though.How much could it hurt to play him lets say 5-10 minutes in the second? I know he's cant be that horrible as some are making him out to be.

I agree with this.

Green stopped playing well as his minutes declined.

Then we expect a guy to shift from 10 straight DNP's to producing in 4 minutes, and when he doesn't, he's benched for 5 more DNP's.

[mavs777]

He could hurt the team plenty, by the way Wright palyed very well in game 2 on both ends.

[Dirkgreatness]

Well i don't know about you guys but I'd rather have Green playing the 2 than Barea.

[darkwitzki]

Wright+Green+Carroll+Stack =

[jthig32]

Just stop it. Gerald Green sucks.

Period.

Let it go.

[LSMF]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Just stop it. Gerald Green sucks.

Period.

Let it go.

Green doesn't suck.

Period.

Let it go.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by longsufferingmavsfan

Green doesn't suck.

Period.

Let it go.

Compared to the average NBA player he does suck and really bad, on top of this he has maturity issues

The Mavs should just let him go (release him).

[tcat075]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Just stop it. Gerald Green sucks.

Period.

Let it go.

Gerald Green has is young, athletic, and has a lot of potential. Like, starter potential.

How many Mavericks can you name like that? Hollins? I don't see Hollins as ever becoming a starter. He's a Birdman type bench player.

Singleton? Good bench player, but never much more than a 7th-9th man off the bench.

Bass and Barea won't vary much from what they are now (and is Barea really "athletic"?).

Maybe Wright can be a viable starter if he ever gets a three point jump shot.

Now, you tell me why we need young, athletic players who could develop into starters? Hmm. Let's see, exhibit A: We are not athletic. Exhibit B: Our starters (I will include JET in this category) average age is over 30. 31.8 to be exact. Sounds like we're going to need some new talent coming up. Exhibit C: See above...we do not have hardly any starter-caliber potential players who make up our bench.

This is why we need Gerald Green. Granted, you may not think he is starter caliber, but I point you to his days in Boston, were he was a regular rotation member and was penciled in as a starter a couple years down the line. I point to the way he has played when he's actually gotten minutes. I simply point to his raw athleticism...he may not play great defense now, but are you telling me an athlete of LeBron James caliber (Ok, ok, that's a little overrating him. But still, he's an incredible athlete) cannot be taught defense? Cannot be taught passing? Cannot be taught rebounding?

If you believe in our coaches, then you should have every reason to believe in Gerald Green. Not as the next LeBron. Not as the next Andre Igoudala, even, or the next Brandon Roy or whatever. Not as a NBA All-team or an All-Star. Just as a guy who has the potential to become our starting SG for the next 5 or 6 years. The potential.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by tcat075

This is why we need Gerald Green. Granted, you may not think he is starter caliber, but I point you to his days in Boston, were he was a regular rotation member and was penciled in as a starter a couple years down the line. I point to the way he has played when he's actually gotten minutes. I simply point to his raw athleticism...

He was a rotation member on a horrendous Celtics team that was openly tanking. He was horrible.

he may not play great defense now, but are you telling me an athlete of LeBron James caliber (Ok, ok, that's a little overrating him. But still, he's an incredible athlete) cannot be taught defense? Cannot be taught passing? Cannot be taught rebounding?

A little? A little?????

And yes, I'm saying at this point he will never learn defense, never learn passing, and never learn rebounding. He is not a basketball player.

If you believe in our coaches, then you should have every reason to believe in Gerald Green. Not as the next LeBron. Not as the next Andre Igoudala, even, or the next Brandon Roy or whatever. Not as a NBA All-team or an All-Star. Just as a guy who has the potential to become our starting SG for the next 5 or 6 years. The potential.

Fine. Believe in the potential. But don't ask that he play regular rotation minutes for my team, because right now he sucks.

I hoped he wouldn't. I called for him to play more earlier in the season. But anyone wanting him to play right now simply hasn't watched his overall performance this season objectively.

[tcat075]

Originally Posted by jthig32

He was a rotation member on a horrendous Celtics team that was openly tanking. He was horrible.

In the year he played in 81 games, he averaged 10.4 points in 22 mpg. Shot 42% from the floor, 37% from three. Grabbed a couple boards, half a steal and an assist a game. One and a half turnovers per game.

For a second year player, with only 32 previous NBA games, that's a pretty good season. Whatever it is, it certainly isn't horrible. No, its not great, but he's a 2nd year player. Not just a 2nd year player, but 20 years old! I'm sure Boston fans loved this kid. What wasn't to like? Young, athletic, would score, needed a little bit of work on some of his basketball skills but had potential as a first rounder.

A little? A little?????

And yes, I'm saying at this point he will never learn defense, never learn passing, and never learn rebounding. He is not a basketball player.

Anyone can be an athlete. Gerald and James each have a similar vertical. James is about 50 pounds heavier then Gerald, so he's got the edge in strength, but I'd bet their 40 times would be similar. Gerald will never have James's knack for passing the ball, will never have James's come-out-of-nowhere shot blocking, will not have the same athleticism if he put on 50 pounds (I don't think he could...), but they are similar athletes.

At this point, Gerald Green is 22. He probably should be a rookie. There are rookies in the NBA who need to learn how to play defense, passing and rebounding. They are the same age as Green. Why should they be any different? Those rookies had good coaches in college, and plenty of playing time. Green hasn't even been given a chance on two teams.

Fine. Believe in the potential. But don't ask that he play regular rotation minutes for my team, because right now he sucks.

I hoped he wouldn't. I called for him to play more earlier in the season. But anyone wanting him to play right now simply hasn't watched his overall performance this season objectively.

I have seen him play. In limited minutes, he's sucked. When he was given an extended tryout early in the season, he excelled. His minutes dropped and so did his production.

Look, I am not saying this guy is our future SG for the next 10 years. I think he possibly could be, but right now, he's a guy who may go from team to team as a "project" and eventually jump around on semi-pro teams. He could do that. But I think there is a decent chance that this guy turns into a good player.

I think he stays here next year, and I think the Mavericks look to bring him back. That should tell a lot about Gerald's potential. We as fans see what he does in games, but if the Mavericks make sure to resign Green, I think its pretty obvious they think he has potential.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by tcat075

Gerald Green has is young, athletic, and has a lot of potential. Like, starter potential.

How many Mavericks can you name like that? Hollins? I don't see Hollins as ever becoming a starter. He's a Birdman type bench player.

Singleton? Good bench player, but never much more than a 7th-9th man off the bench.

Bass and Barea won't vary much from what they are now (and is Barea really "athletic"?).

Maybe Wright can be a viable starter if he ever gets a three point jump shot.

Now, you tell me why we need young, athletic players who could develop into starters? Hmm. Let's see, exhibit A: We are not athletic. Exhibit B: Our starters (I will include JET in this category) average age is over 30. 31.8 to be exact. Sounds like we're going to need some new talent coming up. Exhibit C: See above...we do not have hardly any starter-caliber potential players who make up our bench.

This is why we need Gerald Green. Granted, you may not think he is starter caliber, but I point you to his days in Boston, were he was a regular rotation member and was penciled in as a starter a couple years down the line. I point to the way he has played when he's actually gotten minutes. I simply point to his raw athleticism...he may not play great defense now, but are you telling me an athlete of LeBron James caliber (Ok, ok, that's a little overrating him. But still, he's an incredible athlete) cannot be taught defense? Cannot be taught passing? Cannot be taught rebounding?

If you believe in our coaches, then you should have every reason to believe in Gerald Green. Not as the next LeBron. Not as the next Andre Igoudala, even, or the next Brandon Roy or whatever. Not as a NBA All-team or an All-Star. Just as a guy who has the potential to become our starting SG for the next 5 or 6 years. The potential.

Greene doesn;'t have starter potential, you need to play defense in this league and make smart decisions udner pressure, he does both horribly and is a I first player, Next.

[tcat075]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Greene doesn;'t have starter potential, you need to play defense in this league and make smart decisions udner pressure, he does both horribly and is a I first player, Next.

He went straight from high school to the NBA, then hopped around several teams. He's only 22 years old.

Because of the combination of those three things, and just seeing the effects that the coaching staff has had on some of our young players (especially DA on Josh!), I believe those tendancies can be fixed.

[Dirkgreatness]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Greene doesn;'t have starter potential, you need to play defense in this league and make smart decisions udner pressure, he does both horribly and is a I first player, Next.

Amare says hi




Just sayin....

[LSMF]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Just stop it. Gerald Green sucks.

Period.

Let it go.

My apologies. I truly apologize to you and every one I argued with that Green didn't suck. You were 100% right. RELEASE GERALD GREEN!

[LSMF]

Originally Posted by LSMF

My apologies. I truly apologize to you and every one I argued with that Green didn't suck. You were 100% right. RELEASE GERALD GREEN!

You know whats funny? I was reading basketbawful the another night, and the guy who runs the blog over there was talking about during Mavs-Wizards Roddy played only 0.7 seconds. I've started wondering when we as Mav fans will start holding Rick Carlislie accountable. Just like last season, he gave Green minutes early in the season and Green produced. For some odd reason, Green gets buried on the bench. People begin to say Green has "Maturity issues" or "Attitude problems" or "Poor work ethic". Then in the playoffs when Howard was hurt, and Wright was in foul trouble we had to play Green. Green looked like a boy playing against men out there. If Carlislie had continued to give Green minutes he would have developed. But he didn't, and we did not hold Carlislie accountable. We all blamed Green.

Now, this season the same exact thing has happened. Beaubois was given minutes early in the season, he played quite well. He even had opposing fan bases raving about his potential. Now he is buried to the bench. And Roddy is way better than Green, and yet the same thing happened to him. I find it an insult for Carlislie to play Beaubois for 0.7 seconds. Seriously, 0.7 seconds?! Why won't Carlislie play Roddy? And why wont we as Mav fans hold him accountable? With Green it was a bit understandable, Green used to make boneheaded plays but Green could score. Scoring is the most important part of basketball. Green could and should have been used as a spark off the bench.

Beaubois clearly has better fundamentals, and better skill than Green and yet he cant play either. Beaubois showed he had range on his jumper, had athleticism and he even showed signs that he's gunna become a ball hawk in the future. Yet he cant play. It drives me nuts folks, that someone with 6'10 wingspan, shooting range and athleticism cant get off the bench. This is very frustrating...

[sp3nc3r13]

Originally Posted by LSMF

You know whats funny? I was reading basketbawful the another night, and the guy who runs the blog over there was talking about during Mavs-Wizards Roddy played only 0.7 seconds. I've started wondering when we as Mav fans will start holding Rick Carlislie accountable. Just like last season, he gave Green minutes early in the season and Green produced. For some odd reason, Green gets buried on the bench. People begin to say Green has "Maturity issues" or "Attitude problems" or "Poor work ethic". Then in the playoffs when Howard was hurt, and Wright was in foul trouble we had to play Green. Green looked like a boy playing against men out there. If Carlislie had continued to give Green minutes he would have developed. But he didn't, and we did not hold Carlislie accountable. We all blamed Green.

Now, this season the same exact thing has happened. Beaubois was given minutes early in the season, he played quite well. He even had opposing fan bases raving about his potential. Now he is buried to the bench. And Roddy is way better than Green, and yet the same thing happened to him. I find it an insult for Carlislie to play Beaubois for 0.7 seconds. Seriously, 0.7 seconds?! Why won't Carlislie play Roddy? And why wont we as Mav fans hold him accountable? With Green it was a bit understandable, Green used to make boneheaded plays but Green could score. Scoring is the most important part of basketball. Green could and should have been used as a spark off the bench.

Beaubois clearly has better fundamentals, and better skill than Green and yet he cant play either. Beaubois showed he had range on his jumper, had athleticism and he even showed signs that he's gunna become a ball hawk in the future. Yet he cant play. It drives me nuts folks, that someone with 6'10 wingspan, shooting range and athleticism cant get off the bench. This is very frustrating...

I agree man. This is getting a bit ridiculous. I see what Carlisle is doing, shortening the rotation and putting "the best" talent out there on the floor night in night out. Also, most of our games have been close games this year. At least through 3 quarters.

This team doesn't have a legitimate 2. This is not debatable. Both Terry and Howard have been inconsistent this season to say the least.

Roddy deserves a shot. Your references to the way Gerald Green was handled last year are spot on. I think he was buried on the bench way too early in the season. Same thing has happened to Roddy.

I'm not saying he is the answer(must look to trade Howard + other parts for this)

But until this team has a legitimate 2 guard(I dont think we have since Michael Finley)...

The Mavs will not win the championship.

[Dirkgreatness]

Hey, as long as that midget lineup is not out there im happy.

[LSMF]

We have no athleticism right now. Our most athletic are Green, Hollins and Bass. Bass has been completely neutralized, Hollins is playing well and Green is glued to the bench. I think we need green, if maybe just for a few minutes per game.

[darkwitzki]

Wright+Green+Carroll+Stack =

[AxdemxO]

I still believe Green can be big for this teams future. Hes 22 and could be looked at as a rookie. Most of his problems are mental and can be worked on and fixed. NO WAY do you let this kid go IMO

[yahyes]

throw in green already to draw fouls n get to the line. that would work well against a nuggets team. not to mention he can dunk.

[eyedentifyme]

Green may be back because who else will represent the Dallas Mavericks in the 2010 Slam Dunk contest in Dallas in 2010 against Lebron James, Dwight Howard, J.R. Smith, and Nate Robinson.

[tcat075]

Originally Posted by eyedentifyme

Green may be back because who else will represent the Dallas Mavericks in the 2010 Slam Dunk contest in Dallas in 2010 against Lebron James, Dwight Howard, J.R. Smith, and Nate Robinson.

I don't think Nate is going to do it this year.

JR Smith? Maybe.