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Mavs Rule · 01-31-2008, 07:29 PM

Dirk was pretty much a given as far as the all-star reserves were concerned. But after a early season slump, he has been very efficient lately, and seems to be getting better every game.

Josh was omitted as a reserve, but he has had a stellar year so far. I hope the snub just motivates him all the more for the rest of the season and the playoffs.

DavidDaMonkey · 01-31-2008, 07:33 PM

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Dirk was pretty much a given as far as the all-star reserves were concerned. But after a early season slump, he has been very efficient lately, and seems to be getting better every game.

Josh was omitted as a reserve, but he has had a stellar year so far. I hope the snub just motivates him all the more for the rest of the season and the playoffs.

While I also hope JHo is motivated, I hardly think you can call this a snub. I wont pretend I know everything about every player in the NBA, but I know the West as a whole is incredibly deep and talented, and I don't see Josh's exclusion as any sort of weird omission. It still would've been nice though

Thespiralgoeson · 01-31-2008, 08:51 PM

No f**king way Duncan should be starting over Dirk, but oh well. Story of their careers I guess.

Locked_Up_Tonight · 01-31-2008, 09:18 PM

Dirk won't ever start. If he was an American... he would have started a few times. If he was black he would have started a few times.

Dirk doesn't really care about that... but it is a shame when Melo can start ahead of him and Melo isn't in the same class as Dirk.

fluid.forty.one · 01-31-2008, 10:43 PM

Congrats to Dirk and Roy as well.

chumdawg · 01-31-2008, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Locked_Up_Tonight

Dirk won't ever start. If he was an American... he would have started a few times. If he was black he would have started a few times.

Dirk doesn't really care about that... but it is a shame when Melo can start ahead of him and Melo isn't in the same class as Dirk.

Didn't he start last year?

mary · 01-31-2008, 10:47 PM

Yes, he was an injury replacement.

V2M · 02-01-2008, 09:16 AM

I hope he isn't played much. He needs to rest as much as he possibly can for the playoffs...

Tokey41 · 02-01-2008, 12:47 PM

Dirk was an absolute lock, i'm just glad Tmac wasn't voted in by the fans and excluded by the coaches. As for Josh, tough break... I think there are a few guys more deserving of him anyway this season that still didn't make the cut. With the west so deep and competitive I think at least one player from each of the top 8 teams should have had a representative (yeah, that means GSW).

And can we stop calling West underrated now? He's an all-star, it's well deserved... but now its hard to argue that he's not appreciated.

Underdog · 02-01-2008, 12:50 PM

Josh will become an All-Star when he starts playing like one for an entire 4 quarters...

horse900703 · 02-01-2008, 01:38 PM

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No f**king way Duncan should be starting over Dirk, but oh well. Story of their careers I guess.

I agree with you ~~

Dtownsfinest · 02-01-2008, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Locked_Up_Tonight

Dirk won't ever start. If he was an American... he would have started a few times. If he was black he would have started a few times.

Dirk doesn't really care about that... but it is a shame when Melo can start ahead of him and Melo isn't in the same class as Dirk.

Melo is starting ahead of Dirk? I thought Duncan and Yao were starting ahead of Dirk? Anyway, its a popularity contest. It has nothing to do with race. If Dirk was in the East he would've started by now. He's in the West where the foward position is the deepest in the league. You're sadly mistaken if you think Dirk doesn't start because he's not black. Why does Nash get to start the All Star game since leaving the Mavs btw? Is he light skinned?

Josh isn't all star material IMO. He's had a great year but scoring 12 in the 1st quarter and ending the game with 21 points is not all star material IMO. Like someone said above, when he starts playing all 4 quarters or showing up in the 4th then we can talk all star.

ShaggyDirk · 02-01-2008, 04:12 PM

Oh, now Nash is starting? Check again.

Tokey41 · 02-01-2008, 04:22 PM

I think he was referring to past games.

GermanFan · 02-01-2008, 04:35 PM

nash was voted in ?

2007
Kobe Bryant
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Tracy McGrady
Yao Ming
(Nash was injured and not voted in)

2006 he was voted in (lucky him)
how else played lake a all star at that position that year ?

GermanDunk · 02-01-2008, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

No f**king way Duncan should be starting over Dirk, but oh well. Story of their careers I guess.

Word !

Locked_Up_Tonight · 02-01-2008, 05:58 PM

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Melo is starting ahead of Dirk? I thought Duncan and Yao were starting ahead of Dirk? Anyway, its a popularity contest. It has nothing to do with race. If Dirk was in the East he would've started by now. He's in the West where the foward position is the deepest in the league. You're sadly mistaken if you think Dirk doesn't start because he's not black. Why does Nash get to start the All Star game since leaving the Mavs btw? Is he light skinned?

The top two vote getters as forwards in the West were Melo and Duncan.

Dtownsfinest · 02-02-2008, 04:17 PM

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The top two vote getters as forwards in the West were Melo and Duncan.

Melo is a 3 and Duncan is a 4 so your beef I guess is with Duncan or the fans that voted him in for that matter. I have no issue with you being upset over Dirk or a white guy not starting but its the fact you think race takes a part into this. As if only fans want to see black guys starting.

Locked_Up_Tonight · 02-02-2008, 04:25 PM

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Melo is a 3 and Duncan is a 4 so your beef I guess is with Duncan or the fans that voted him in for that matter. I have no issue with you being upset over Dirk or a white guy not starting but its the fact you think race takes a part into this. As if only fans want to see black guys starting.

The West designates two forward spots. The forwards do not have to be a "3" and a "4." The two forward spots go to the two highest vote getters among forwards. So "my beef" is with Melo. There is no way he should be starting ahead of Dirk. NONE.

Race does play a role in it. The casual NBA fan does not vote for stuff like all-star games. Who does vote? Predominantly teenagers. And Melo is more identifiable to teenagers than Dirk is with that same group. And yes, it does come down to a race and American thing. If Dirk was black and with his skills... more teenagers would identify with him. If he did more commercials or had more street cred than more teenagers would identify with him. But since he is a white Euro who shuns the spotlight (ie commercials and other promotions) then many teenagers don't identify with him.

Dtownsfinest · 02-02-2008, 04:37 PM

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The West designates two forward spots. The forwards do not have to be a "3" and a "4." The two forward spots go to the two highest vote getters among forwards. So "my beef" is with Melo. There is no way he should be starting ahead of Dirk. NONE.

Race does play a role in it. The casual NBA fan does not vote for stuff like all-star games. Who does vote? Predominantly teenagers. And Melo is more identifiable to teenagers than Dirk is with that same group. And yes, it does come down to a race and American thing. If Dirk was black and with his skills... more teenagers would identify with him. If he did more commercials or had more street cred than more teenagers would identify with him. But since he is a white Euro who shuns the spotlight (ie commercials and other promotions) then many teenagers don't identify with him.

You're speaking on two different topics. Is it because Dirk doesn't do commericals or is it because he's white that he's not getting voted in? Street cred? Kobe has zero yet he's probably the biggest NBA star in the game. Has nothing to do with street cred for why Dirk wasn't voted in and never will be. He's not an exciting guy to watch. When I say exciting I mean he doesn't have the highlight reel dunks or crossovers. And i'm just curious to what makes you think black teenagers are the ones voting these players in lol? Fact is Melo is popular and Dirk isn't. Simple as that. It has nothing to do with the color of their skin. Melo has the commercials, the clothing, the sneaker line, etc. Which you bring up by admitting Dirk doesn't do commercials yet you still fall back on Dirk not being black. But you still fail to answer why Nash manages to get voted in 2 years straight after leaving the Mavs? Did the teens screw that up?

Locked_Up_Tonight · 02-02-2008, 04:43 PM

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You're speaking on two different topics. Is it because Dirk doesn't do commericals or is it because he's white that he's not getting voted in? Street cred? Kobe has zero yet he's probably the biggest NBA star in the game. Has nothing to do with street cred for why Dirk wasn't voted in and never will be. He's not an exciting guy to watch. When I say exciting I mean he doesn't have the highlight reel dunks or crossovers. And i'm just curious to what makes you think black teenagers are the ones voting these players in lol? Fact is Melo is popular and Dirk isn't. Simple as that. It has nothing to do with the color of their skin. Melo has the commercials, the clothing, the sneaker line, etc. Which you bring up by admitting Dirk doesn't do commercials yet you still fall back on Dirk not being black. But you still fail to answer why Nash manages to get voted in 2 years straight after leaving the Mavs? Did the teens screw that up?

And yet as soon as AI gets to the West and Nash has competition at that spot... **poof** his starting gig is over. Nash got voted in because he had no competition as a guard. Kobe was the other guard... and that was pretty much it.

As for Dirk... Dirk was the 2nd leading vote for half of the season... then they switched Duncan back to a forward instead of a center and **poof** Duncan got ahead of him. Coincidence?

When you have competition then Dirk is not going to win out. EVER. And that is because he is a white Euro who isn't identifiable with teenagers.

(Even last year Dirk barely beat out Melo and Melo was suspended for like 20 games before the all-star game.)

Dtownsfinest · 02-02-2008, 05:02 PM

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And yet as soon as AI gets to the West and Nash has competition at that spot... **poof** his starting gig is over. Nash got voted in because he had no competition as a guard. Kobe was the other guard... and that was pretty much it.

As for Dirk... Dirk was the 2nd leading vote for half of the season... then they switched Duncan back to a forward instead of a center and **poof** Duncan got ahead of him. Coincidence?

When you have competition then Dirk is not going to win out. EVER. And that is because he is a white Euro who isn't identifiable with teenagers.

(Even last year Dirk barely beat out Melo and Melo was suspended for like 20 games before the all-star game.)

Once again AI is popular. Kobe, Melo, Lebron, AI these are the elite as far as popularity in the NBA goes. They're the most popular. This is ridiculous. Its like saying the NHL is racist because Jarome Iginla is the only one that ever makes it I just don't get why you constantly ignore the fact that maybe Dirk doesn't get voted in because he isn't popular among general NBA fans. And Dirk may not be identifiable with teenagers but if anything its because he's a 7 footer who shoots jump shots. You'd have a point if a bum was starting ahead of Dirk. I'd scream racism as well but Melo and Duncan are the guys ahead of him. Far from bums.