Mavs off-season and draft 2023 thread - Page 18 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

sig · 06-07-2023, 03:22 PM

I wouldn't deal 10 for Kuminga though I think his talent is as good to what will be available with the 10th pick. He is not 21 yet and has proven he can play in the NBA. If the Mavs could unload McGee and 10 for him and 19, I'd might have to go for it. Prefer to send McGee and future FRP for him.

BPo001 · 06-07-2023, 04:26 PM

Suns to release CP3

tap2390 · 06-07-2023, 04:50 PM

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Suns to release CP3

Kyrie to Suns is a real threat.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-07-2023, 04:59 PM

I mean, if it turns out to be Kyrie for Ayton without giving up a pick, then I won't be too upset...I guess.

I'm more and more semi-hoping we don't keep Kyrie. Not sure the constant drama is worth it. Can't go five minutes without something popping up about it.

EricaLubarsky · 06-07-2023, 06:09 PM

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Suns to release CP3

This changes nothing (for us at least).

CP collects 30mill.
Suns save 15mill on their cap hit but are still over the cap.
Suns clear up a 7mill MLE slot to sign one player.
CP re-signs with the Suns for the veteran minimum.

EricaLubarsky · 06-08-2023, 12:22 PM

There's a fire sale on Zion right now. Wonder what the cost would be and if we could somehow keep our #10? Honestly wonder if they would stay on the line if we offered Wood (SnT), Hardy, and a future pick.

Lively (discount Tyson Chandler)
Zion (discount Zion)
Bullock (discount Derrick White)
Kyrie (discount Kyrie)
Luka

On paper, that is a crazy strong team. Then again, Zion is more likely to be having rough sex with porn stars and munching on Cheetos than play.

tap2390 · 06-08-2023, 03:15 PM

No thanks to Zion. We need pieces that fit around Luka and Kyrie. My personal hope is for a trade down netting us a couple of useful role players and landing us a pick in a more appropriate spot for Lively or Jackson-Davis...

#10 & Bertans for #20 and DFS (Nets)

or

#10 for #20 & #21 (Nets)

or

#10 for #12 & #37 (Thunder)

or

#10 for #16 & #28 (Jazz)

TJD is my big crush in this draft, but I really do fear he'll be gone in the Lottery.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-08-2023, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

No thanks to Zion. We need pieces that fit around Luka and Kyrie. My personal hope is for a trade down netting us a couple of useful role players and landing us a pick in a more appropriate spot for Lively or Jackson-Davis...

#10 & Bertans for #20 and DFS (Nets)

or

#10 for #20 & #21 (Nets)

or

#10 for #12 & #37 (Thunder)

or

#10 for #16 & #28 (Jazz)

TJD is my big crush in this draft, but I really do fear he'll be gone in the Lottery.

Our only hope with TJD is that Cuban went to the same college.

But honestly, I never thought we had a shot at Hardy even at 26 last draft. Mavs are good at the draft and should definitely stay in it.

tap2390 · 06-09-2023, 09:45 AM

For those of you on IG, check out Luka?s story. He looks good.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-09-2023, 03:16 PM

It's weird though because nbadraft.net now has TJD at 19 to the Warriors. They are the only ones that rank him high like that, but how can people ignore what he brings especially after seeing Bam in the finals?

They are always off on the draft, but man would it be funny if they got that one right. And if he did go higher than people think, then it shows that you should just draft who you want instead of "the value for pick slot isn't there" crap.

EricaLubarsky · 06-09-2023, 04:51 PM

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It's weird though because nbadraft.net now has TJD at 19 to the Warriors. They are the only ones that rank him high like that, but how can people ignore what he brings especially after seeing Bam in the finals?

They are always off on the draft, but man would it be funny if they got that one right. And if he did go higher than people think, then it shows that you should just draft who you want instead of "the value for pick slot isn't there" crap.

----first round-------
NBADraft - 19th
NBAdraftroom - 29th
Ringer - 29th
Sportsillustrated - 29th
-----second round-----
Tankathon - 31st
Hoopshype - 36th
Bleacherreport - 38th
TheAthletic - 54th
SBNation - 2nd round
Lineups - 2nd round
CBS - 2nd round
Yardbarker - 2nd round

Historically NBADraft has been the LEAST reliable source. It doesn't mean that they are wrong, but it certainly doesn't give me confidence when I look at the rest of the mocks.

BPo001 · 06-09-2023, 05:58 PM

I wonder if Gary Trent Jr could be had in a sign and trade with Toronto? I assume we can?t afford to sign him outright.

dirt_dobber · 06-10-2023, 03:55 AM

Heat desperately need more 3 point shooting - and have had interest in THJr.
for a long time now - who do we want back in trade? What do they have to offer?
We could trade Hardaway and Bertrans to take bake the Duncan (bad contract) but
I would rather have a couple of their young guys thrown in - Jovic a forward or Yurtseven a center.

rimrocker · 06-10-2023, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

No thanks to Zion. We need pieces that fit around Luka and Kyrie. My personal hope is for a trade down netting us a couple of useful role players and landing us a pick in a more appropriate spot for Lively or Jackson-Davis...

#10 & Bertans for #20 and DFS (Nets)

or

#10 for #20 & #21 (Nets)

or

#10 for #12 & #37 (Thunder)

or

#10 for #16 & #28 (Jazz)

TJD is my big crush in this draft, but I really do fear he'll be gone in the Lottery.

I like the Jazz suggestion.

Lively could very well be there at 16 and then we could take BPA at 28.
There are several PFs and SFs in the 22-30 range that look to have some potential.

I'm curious about Klintman.
Draftnet has a John Collins/Christian Wood comparison with similar size.

And I just noticed today that TJD is Dale Davis' son.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-10-2023, 07:48 AM

Keep an eye on Coulibaly. His stock is through the roof right now and he defends. You know the Mavs aren't shy about taking a foreign guy with upside.

SMC0007 · 06-10-2023, 12:19 PM

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Keep an eye on Coulibaly. His stock is through the roof right now and he defends. You know the Mavs aren't shy about taking a foreign guy with upside.

Having him and Josh on the floor at the same time would be solid defensively. Tons of hustle. Even rotating those 2 would always have ball pressure and hustle. That's a lot of athleticism we have lacked for a while.

EricaLubarsky · 06-10-2023, 12:44 PM

Bilal could be great but he?s like 2-4 years from starting.

I?m all for BPA and planting seeds for the future and when he arrived he could be Siakam for one #10 pick vs 2-4 FRPs. I?m just not sure he fits the timeline.

Then again, rumors are that if Kyrie walks, Luka will ask out. In that case, we rebuild around Hardy, Green, and some young development guys

SMC0007 · 06-10-2023, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Bilal could be great but he?s like 2-4 years from starting.

I?m all for BPA and planting seeds for the future and when he arrived he could be Siakam for one #10 pick vs 2-4 FRPs. I?m just not sure he fits the timeline.

Then again, rumors are that if Kyrie walks, Luka will ask out. In that case, we rebuild around Hardy, Green, and some young development guys

The same folks that suggest Luka asks out if Kyrie walks are probably the ones who think Bilal is 4 years from starting.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-10-2023, 02:38 PM

People way overblow this "we need to please Luka now" stuff. Never seen a single indication that Luka wants out under any circumstance.

If Bilal is the future OG, then that's better than giving up all your assets to get today's OG.

EricaLubarsky · 06-10-2023, 11:05 PM

https://twitter.com/kcjhoop/status/1667673625518907393

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K.C. Johnson

@KCJHoop
Peter Patton is coming home. The Bulls plan to hire the former Loyola Academy/DePaul star in player development, per sources. Patton has worked as shooting coach for the Timberwolves and Mavericks, where he worked closely with another local product, Jalen Brunson, among others

I?d be upset that we lost yet another staff

But also look at our shooting. It was in shambles. He couldn?t have been that important.

rimrocker · 06-11-2023, 03:38 AM

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People way overblow this "we need to please Luka now" stuff. Never seen a single indication that Luka wants out under any circumstance.

If Bilal is the future OG, then that's better than giving up all your assets to get today's OG.

The way I see it, we have 3 major needs and maybe 2 realistic trade assets to upgrade.
OG would definitely fill one of those needs, but we'd have nothing left to address what I think is our greatest need....Center.

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I really think we'd be better off moving on from Kyrie because his presence creates as many problems as it solves imo.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-11-2023, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

The way I see it, we have 3 major needs and maybe 2 realistic trade assets to upgrade.
OG would definitely fill one of those needs, but we'd have nothing left to address what I think is our greatest need....Center.

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I really think we'd be better off moving on from Kyrie because his presence creates as many problems as it solves imo.

Yep, and the FO put them in this position.

Like, it still boggles my mind that we had to take on Bertans and give up a second just to get rid of KP.

So if some of these rumors of dumping salary attached to the 10th pick are real, then we're screwed.

It would be the current version of Mark Cuban not to want to pay the 10th pick. We shall see...

SMC0007 · 06-11-2023, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

The way I see it, we have 3 major needs and maybe 2 realistic trade assets to upgrade.
OG would definitely fill one of those needs, but we'd have nothing left to address what I think is our greatest need....Center.

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I really think we'd be better off moving on from Kyrie because his presence creates as many problems as it solves imo.

I'm not married to Kyrie either, if we can recoup the loss and get good return to fill our needs.

dirt_dobber · 06-11-2023, 10:06 AM

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I'm not married to Kyrie either, if we can recoup the loss and get good return to fill our needs.

Same. I'll take Ayton + a pick or player added.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-11-2023, 01:17 PM

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Same. I'll take Ayton + a pick or player added.

I'm not for Ayton, but we need a center so badly that we'd have to consider it.

That's why it cracks me up seeing fans on twitter saying we should trade Luka if we trying to get KAT like Powell hasn't been our starting center.

dirt_dobber · 06-11-2023, 01:26 PM

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I'm not for Ayton, but we need a center so badly that we'd have to consider it.

agree 100%

SMC0007 · 06-11-2023, 03:12 PM

I'm steering clear of Ayton. If that's the best we can do for Kyrie, I'd be disappointed.

tap2390 · 06-11-2023, 03:39 PM

No thanks to Ayton. There?s a reason none of the four teams that made the conference finals had a traditional center. Guys like Ayton get smoked in drop coverage in the playoffs. I?d much rather have 15-20 mpg of Capela, Lively, or TJD and keep Kyrie than Ayton.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-11-2023, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

No thanks to Ayton. There?s a reason none of the four teams that made the conference finals had a traditional center. Guys like Ayton get smoked in drop coverage in the playoffs. I?d much rather have 15-20 mpg of Capela, Lively, or TJD and keep Kyrie than Ayton.

Speaking of Capela, someone floated 10/THJ for 15/Capela a while back. Yes all day long to that, and it seems in the more realistic realm of ideas.

SMC0007 · 06-11-2023, 06:45 PM

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Speaking of Capela, someone floated 10/THJ for 15/Capela a while back. Yes all day long to that, and it seems in the more realistic realm of ideas.

Of course. But is anything we like all day long really realistic? I don't think it's enough for Atl

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-11-2023, 07:33 PM

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Of course. But is anything we like all day long really realistic? I don't think it's enough for Atl

Probably not, but some of these ideas like half the franchise for OG are just silly. You could sweaten that deal to make people happy.

A player/pick for another player/pick is what they should be pushing for.

sig · 06-11-2023, 09:25 PM

Would like to know what the Pistons plans are for Stewart. He is up for a contract before other young centers. He could maybe play PF but they have Bagley and the 5th pick. Would like to do a deal like OKC and Denver did. OKC deferred some picks to the future for Denver's 29? FRP I'd trade a future 1st like 27 FRP for Stewart and pick 31.

rimrocker · 06-11-2023, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

No thanks to Ayton. There?s a reason none of the four teams that made the conference finals had a traditional center. Guys like Ayton get smoked in drop coverage in the playoffs. I?d much rather have 15-20 mpg of Capela, Lively, or TJD and keep Kyrie than Ayton.

I'm getting more and more attached to the idea of just drafting Lively at 10 and be done with it.

Find another rotational caliber big wing defender in some combination of a THJ/Bertans/2027 FRP trade and go with that.

Resign Holiday, Frank and Morris as insurance on min contracts and maybe pick up Azubuike on a min contract for center insurance.

Luka/Wright/Frank
Kyrie/Hardy/Holiday
Green/Bullock/Lawson
?/Maxi/Morris
Lively/Azubuike/McGee

tap2390 · 06-12-2023, 05:11 AM

I can 100% understand the inclination, but can?t get there myself RR. IMO Lively at 10 is a reach because of his limited upside. In my ideal world we draft Bilal Coulibaly, and then find a way to get a second pick for TJD.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-12-2023, 08:50 AM

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I can 100% understand the inclination, but can?t get there myself RR. IMO Lively at 10 is a reach because of his limited upside. In my ideal world we draft Bilal Coulibaly, and then find a way to get a second pick for TJD.

But Lively is already a great defender and shot blocker from a known program. And he got a lot better as the season went which is very important to development. Those shot blocking skills are similar to Walker Kessler and don't grow on trees. He just isn't NBA ready like Kessler.

Again though, we're trying to replace Dwight Powell. If you tell me we're drafting a Tyson Chandler starter kit, then I'm in.

tap2390 · 06-12-2023, 10:36 AM

Well... in Nico we trust. Let's see what happens.

rimrocker · 06-12-2023, 11:45 AM

If we miss out on Lively we should acquire a 2nd round pick and take a chance on James Nnaji.
Probably the next DJ Mbenga but the guy is incredibly strong and athletic and has a 7'5 WS.
Very raw but plays aggressive and is supposedly very coachable.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-12-2023, 12:00 PM

NBAdraftnet has us taking Lively over Hendricks who they have falling to 12. I know they aren't reliable, but they update more than anyone else.

The fanbase if they didn't pick Hendricks would be hilarious to see. I'm not as enamored with Hendricks as most are.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-12-2023, 12:00 PM

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SMC0007 · 06-12-2023, 05:18 PM

If Jarace Walker isn't on the board at #10, there's a cpl guys I'd be ok with. TJD and Leonard Miller aren't in that group.

Unless we SnT Kyrie for a big, I don't want to bother with a Guard or SF. If we obtained a big in a trade I guess I'd be ok with the Cason Wallace route.

We could stretch our depth quite a bit if we moved Kyrie on. Depth or better quality SL.U

The draft is kinda the last flash of excitement before the long haul to October.