Are we sure we want Dirk back this year?

[cinemablend]

Hear me out.

This team is a disaster. An embarrasment. Watching it tonight all I could think about was how bad I felt for Marion, out there playing his ass off while surrounded by disinterested losers. multiply that feeling times 10 and that's how it'll feel when Dirk is out there too.

It's bad enough to watch the Mavs turn into the Washington Generals, but it's even worse if night after night you have to watch Dirk get his pants pulled down by Curly Neil too.

Dirk coming back isn't going to solve this. Their problems arent related to anything he does. Dirk won't make Derek Fisher Not our starting point guard or get the team to care about rebounding, or give Roddy the ability to get past half court without falling down.

Dirks return will only mean two things:
1) Dallas will win a few more games, but not enough to make them respectable, and in the process will just get them a crappier draft pick
2) Dirk will have to share in the humiliation

Get well Dirk... Next year.

[mavsfan1000]

Dirk makes a huge difference. Not only because he's Dirk but we no longer have the worst starting PF in the league. And who knows how much confidence he install into our point guards. Carlisle will look like a better coach with better spacing. So I find this thread ridiculous.

[chumdawg]

It's not "disinterested." Disinterested means something like "has no interest in" or "is not a party of." Lakers players, to cite a relevant example, are disinterested in Mavericks games. They don't have skin in the game, as it were.

What you mean, I think, is "uninterested." What that one means, basically, is "is not interested." It's a subtle difference, between disinterested and uninterested. A party to the action can't be disinterested, but he can certainly be uninterested.

I leave it to the reader, as an exercise, to determine whether certain Mavericks are disinterested or uninterested, per your post.

[Budapest Maverick]

I'm all for tanking at this point (not a deep draft, but good top 5 talent), unfortunately, we don't do that. We're gonna win like 40-46 games, depending on how we click after Dirk comes back. I agree about Dirk btw. Past teams were built around him completely, not this one. Don't forget, this is a brand new team, so theoretically it could happen that we look almost the same after he returns. I doubt we will be this bad, but i really don't think we're gonna be world beaters with him either. Not because he's not great, he is, it's just not his team anymore. It's a mess.

[sinsin]

not believing in dirk is blasphemous

he ll do it and we might win it all again

[Budapest Maverick]

Originally Posted by sinsin

we might win it all again

Come on now.

[Murphy3]

I believe I said before the season that the Mavs would be lucky to win 30 games if they played an entire season without Dirk..But with Dirk for a full season, they're likely a 50+ win team. Some of you are forgetting just big of a difference Dirk can make. And also, it's a bit unfair to judge most of these guys on the current roster without Dirk. It's not as much about how they play without Dirk for an extended period of time that interests me.. I want to know more about what they can do with Dirk.

[nowhereman]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

I believe I said before the season that the Mavs would be lucky to win 30 games if they played an entire season without Dirk..But with Dirk for a full season, they're likely a 50+ win team. Some of you are forgetting just big of a difference Dirk can make. And also, it's a bit unfair to judge most of these guys on the current roster without Dirk. It's not as much about how they play without Dirk for an extended period of time that interests me.. I want to know more about what they can do with Dirk.

Yep. Remember that the championship team went just 2-9 without him and in his first couple of games back.

[ChileanMavsFan]

I don't believe in tanking for picks to improve your team, specially when you have 34 year old superstar and top 10 player in the league. It may have worked for some teams in the past, but i don't like the odds on that. Dirk has even said he is not interested to tanking for picks (or something pretty close to that, I'm not sure of the exact quote).

Offensively the Mavs are gonna be much better with Dirk, he demands so much attention and he still is a very efficient player even in a pretty regular team (as he showed last year once he recovered from the knees).

Rebounding I think is gonna improve also, Dirk rebounds the ball decently and/or makes sure to block his guy out (something we are missing a lot right now). I'm intrigued though about some of the flops Dirks commits when pushed in the back during rebounds, will he get penalized from the league for that?. Despite the publicity, the new rule hasn't been enforced that much so my guess would be no, unless the flop is outrageous.

Defensively it remains to be seen, I think the Mavs have some talent there but the effort the last couple of games has been too low to make any judgements on that. Also the defense has been affected by the crazy turnovers the Mavs are so adept on making recently.

[Murphy3]

Yeah, it doesn't exactly look good for wooing potential free agents... "Look at us, we finished 20-62!"

[oilfieldtrash]

Originally Posted by Murphy3

Yeah, it doesn't exactly look good for wooing potential free agents... "Look at us, we finished 20-62!"

Players aren't stupid. Look at last year. They knew the mavs were heading in the wrong direction. Heck we couldn't even keep Kidd. The only free agents we'll pick up are the ones we're willing to overpay for. No one is taking a pay cut to play for the mavs.

[spreedom]

So there are TWO idiotic tanking threads on the main page now. You guys embarrass me as a MFFL.

[oilfieldtrash]

Originally Posted by spreedom

So there are TWO idiotic tanking threads on the main page now. You guys embarrass me as a MFFL.

I'm a DFFL. Derek Fisher fan 4 lyfe yo.

[LonghornDub]

I've found myself occasionally saying that Dirk's return won't fix the issues the Mavs are having, but I think we need to be a bit more critical there. The different phases of the game aren't as independent as we sometimes pretend. Teams tend to play better defense when they're playing good offense (and vice versa). Teams tend to rebound better when they're in a good rhythm and feeling confident.

I don't expect this to be an elite team when Dirk returns, but I do expect that they'll look much better in several phases of the game, not just scoring.

[markus1234]

I expected them to be a solid 7-8th seed once Dirk returns and then fight for the 3-5 spot...and a deep playoff run.

This was this kind of supporting cast we all deserved. Especially Dirk.

Turning some "Charlotte Bobmavs" into a playoff team and losing in round 1, is not exactly what Dirk should be doing for the rest of his career...

[Ninkobei]

The season doesn't start until Dirk plays. Who cares what happens prior.

[saclare]

[saclare]

[Fragism]

This place is almost unbearable when the Mavs are losing.

[samoan-maverickII]

Originally Posted by Fragism

This place is almost unbearable when the Mavs are losing.

AMEN!!

[Dtownsfinest]

No good EVER comes from tanking. I would think people would get that by now after all the teams that have tried that. That being said, I don't believe this team even with Dirk is good enough to compete. But that doesn't matter. Tanking games are for losers. I'd rather losing giving my all than lose because of "tanking".

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

No good EVER comes from tanking. I would think people would get that by now after all the teams that have tried that. That being said, I don't believe this team even with Dirk is good enough to compete. But that doesn't matter. Tanking games are for losers. I'd rather losing giving my all than lose because of "tanking".

Or is tanking games for those desperate to win?

[sinsin]

Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

Come on now.

dirk is god!

biggest dirk-fanboys step forward

*step

[oilfieldtrash]

Are we sure we want Dirk back this year?

Yeah we want Dirk back for sure. Just not these other scrubs out there.

[ribosoma]

Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

I'm a DFFL. Derek Fisher fan 4 lyfe yo.

I'm glad you elaborated. I figured the "D" stood for something else.

[vinylstar]

When Dirk is gone for good, this will seem even more
absurd. As a basketball fan I want to see Dirk in the court every second possible.

[adonis]

Nice tags

[Murphy3]

You see how well the Spurs play without their "stars"... The Mavs haven't had enough time to win 30+ games without Dirk since I don't even know when. It truly shows how much he means to the team. How he drug a team to the finals twice is absolutely amazing..

[twelli]

If we start thinking about tanking, then we should start thinking about trading Dirk. Until our hopeful high pick will have blossomend into a decent NBA player Dirk will be too old anyway. Trade Dirk in mid-season to a contender and get some young quality back. You still can tank the season and start rebuilding with the young quality player and the high pick. There's no point of wasting another year with Dirk on purpose.

[Murphy3]

You didn't know this Twelli? If Dirk sits out the entire season, he doesn't have the year of wear and tear on his aging legs..and he also doesn't age a year. It's amazing.

[dmakk]

IMO, we're not a high lottery team with Dirk out, so it's worthless for him not to come back this year. We're basically the Rockets right now. This team can have a big improvement when Dirk comes back, and I'd like to see what they can become. Dirk being back means the offense can run more efficiently (since they'll actually have 5 people who can score and Dirk will help space the floor) and they'll have a finisher (which they really needed against the Bobcats, Warriors, and 76ers). Despite the Mavs issues, they've been in a number of games. At least I hope so. Rebounding and backup PG play will be what they are, but this team is competitive in spite of it.

[ShaggyDirk]

The mavs freaking suck ass! end thread boooyahhhhhh!!!

[sike]

Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

No good EVER comes from tanking.

Tell that to the Spurs Championship Trophy Case.

[sike]

The answer to this ridiculous question is "yes".

[EricaLubarsky]

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[The Ghost of Championship]

Another thread on tanking? This is all original. Every word of every post.

[EricaLubarsky]

Quoting trolls only makes them stronger. It's what water is to gremlins.

[Kante]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

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[Lestat_1795]

So now we are 10-10 without Dirk.
Where is the reason to panic?
We would be easily at 15-5 with Dirk.