Official Dirk is Great Thread

[markus1234]

Garnett was great at padding his stats.

Just like Kevin Love, he was the main rebounder, scorer and playmaker on his team for many years. Offense and defense went through KG on every possession.

When KG went to BOS and all his numbers dropped, this is where one should compare him to Dirk. This is when their roles finally became similar within a team system. KG was not the main rebounder, playmaker and scorer anymore, he became a PF just like Dirk.

[tcat075]

see: thread title.

The three in a row was wonderful.

[EricaLubarsky]

Total points

5 Wilt Chamberlain 6,121
6 Shaquille O'Neal 3,149
7 Moses Malone 1,962
8 Elvin Hayes 1,866
9 Hakeem Olajuwon 1,499
10 Oscar Robertson 1,263
11 Dominique Wilkins 1,221
12 John Havlicek 948
13 Alex English 166
14 DIRK NOWITZKI ---
-----------------------------------

Games at current pace (20.8ppg) to pass. (63 games left this season)
-----------possible, but unlikely--------------
5 Wilt Chamberlain 295 games
6 Shaquille O'Neal 152 games
----------plausible next year if he plays 82 games and averages 19ppg this year and next--------------
7 Moses Malone 95 games
8 Elvin Hayes 90 games
9 Hakeem Olajuwon 73 games
----------plausible this season at current pace---------------------
10 Oscar Robertson 61 games
11 Dominique Wilkins 59 games
12 John Havlicek 46 games
13 Alex English 8 games
14 DIRK NOWITZKI ---

[Underdog]

I'd love to see Dirk crack the top 10 before the end of the season...

[EricaLubarsky]

Dirk has to play the remaining 63 games and average 20.0 to get there. Currently averaging 20.8, and it's been eeking upward since the beginning of the season. I think it's doable.

Heck, if Dirk could do 24ppg for the remainder of the year (knock on wood), he could be top 9.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Total points

5 Wilt Chamberlain 6,121
6 Shaquille O'Neal 3,149
7 Moses Malone 1,962
8 Elvin Hayes 1,866
9 Hakeem Olajuwon 1,499
10 Oscar Robertson 1,263
11 Dominique Wilkins 1,221
12 John Havlicek 948
13 Alex English 166
14 DIRK NOWITZKI ---
-----------------------------------

Games at current pace (20.8ppg) to pass. (63 games left this season)
-----------possible, but unlikely--------------
5 Wilt Chamberlain 295 games
6 Shaquille O'Neal 152 games
----------plausible next year if he plays 82 games and averages 19ppg this year and next--------------
7 Moses Malone 95 games
8 Elvin Hayes 90 games
9 Hakeem Olajuwon 73 games
----------plausible this season at current pace---------------------
10 Oscar Robertson 61 games
11 Dominique Wilkins 59 games
12 John Havlicek 46 games
13 Alex English 8 games
14 DIRK NOWITZKI ---

This is a great chart...made by a stellar individual.

[EricaLubarsky]

Total points

5 Wilt Chamberlain 6,100
6 Shaquille O'Neal 3,128
7 Moses Malone 1,941
8 Elvin Hayes 1,845
9 Hakeem Olajuwon 1,478
10 Oscar Robertson 1,242
11 Dominique Wilkins 1,200
12 John Havlicek 927
13 Alex English 145
14 DIRK NOWITZKI ---
-----------------------------------

Games at current pace (20.9ppg) to pass. (62 games left this season)
-----------possible, but unlikely--------------
5 Wilt Chamberlain 292 games
6 Shaquille O'Neal 150 games
----------plausible next year if he plays 82 games and averages 19ppg this year and next--------------
7 Moses Malone 93 games
8 Elvin Hayes 89 games
9 Hakeem Olajuwon 71 games
----------plausible this season at current pace---------------------
10 Oscar Robertson 60 games
11 Dominique Wilkins 58 games
12 John Havlicek 45 games
13 Alex English 7 games
14 DIRK NOWITZKI ---

[Lestat_1795]

Shaq is getting sweaty palms.
Barring major injury, pos. 6 is possible.

[Murphy3]

I would think 6 is probable at this point...

[sike]

1340 (131 playoff) vs 1128 (128 playoff)

That is a 212 difference.

And that is how many fewer games Dirk has played than Kevin Garnett.

And he has STILL overtaken him.

That is amazing.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by sike

1340 (131 playoff) vs 1128 (128 playoff)

That is a 212 difference.

And that is how many fewer games Dirk has played than Kevin Garnett.

And he has STILL overtaken him.

That is amazing.

Only one of these guys led their team to a championship - the other piggybacked.

Dirk has always done more with less.

[dirt_dobber]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Only one of these guys led their team to a championship - the other piggybacked.

BOOM!

Number one reason why I love Dirk - quiet leadership. He is a flat out stud baller.

I plan on being there the day they unveil his statue and maybe fly to the half of fame when he is inducted!

[adonis]

Dirk has been real aggressive since the shorter hair cut

[sike]

Originally Posted by adonis

Dirk has been real aggressive since the shorter hair cut

And the declaration of independence is actually a treasure map to a city of gold!

[GhostOfAdamMorrison]

Dirk is such a cold-blooded gangster. Most clutch player in the NBA. He now has 37 points in the last 3 4th quarters...

[sike]

assuming the 30 tonight will be rectified...where is Dirk on the all time list?

Where are the keepers of the list????

[kurtkbain]

How to fadeaway 101

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGzqnONWd2g

[EricaLubarsky]

Total points
5 Wilt Chamberlain 6,070
6 Shaquille O'Neal 3,098
7 Moses Malone 1,911
8 Elvin Hayes 1,815
9 Hakeem Olajuwon 1,438
10 Oscar Robertson 1,212
11 Dominique Wilkins 1,170
12 John Havlicek 897
13 Alex English 115
14 DIRK NOWITZKI ---
-----------------------------------

Games at current pace (21.2ppg) to pass. (61 games left this season)
-----------possible, but unlikely--------------
5 Wilt Chamberlain 287 games
6 Shaquille O'Neal 147 games
----------plausible next year if he plays 82 games and averages 19ppg this year and next--------------
7 Moses Malone 91 games
8 Elvin Hayes 86 games
9 Hakeem Olajuwon 68 games
----------plausible this season at current pace---------------------
10 Oscar Robertson 58 games
11 Dominique Wilkins 56 games
12 John Havlicek 43 games
13 Alex English 5 games
14 DIRK NOWITZKI ---

[GhostOfAdamMorrison]

They still haven't given him his 2 points back yet!

[Bayliss]

I'm sure it will fixed. If not just email Cuban... he responds to email.

[GhostOfAdamMorrison]

With Davis hurt, I think Dirk has reclaimed the best PF spot in the NBA. His numbers vs. Love.

23.5 PER, 60% TS%, 118 ORtg, 106 DRtg, .202 WS/48

25.6 PER, 56% TS%, 116 ORtg, 101 DRtg, .234 WS/48

Love has slightly better overall numbers...but he's been on a downward slide, especially efficiency wise (FG% down to 44%). I don't buy the "empty numbers" argument wholesale...but, I don't think he makes the same impact Dirk does, because he's not a dominant ISO-scorer like Dirk. Also, that T-Wolves team is more talented than the Mavs, overall, and Love has them under .500. Obviously I'm not saying that's all on him, he's been a beast...but I'm confident Dirk has that team over .500.

[markus1234]

Too bad Dirk is not in the east.

[Bayliss]

Yeah if Dirk was in the East, you are looking at an easy all-star bid + all-nba team.....

[GhostOfAdamMorrison]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

Yeah if Dirk was in the East, you are looking at an easy all-star bid + all-nba team.....

All-NBA isn't based on conference...

[Bayliss]

All-NBA isn't based on conference...

I know. But seeding plays a factor in it just as it does with other awards. There is a reason why you rarely see all-nba teams come from the "bottom" teams.

50 wins as the 7th seed? 50 wins as the 3rd seed? Voters are more likely to give accolades to the 3rd seeded team.

[adonis]

Dirk is producing .200 WS/48, his best since the championship year.

He's still dominating.

[GhostOfAdamMorrison]

Does anyone have a RealGM account I could use? I signed up for an account, but they have an idiotic 100 day waiting period to post. There's a thread on "Are the Mavs are legit?" Where some clowns are claiming LMA is better than Dirk. I'd like to post some facts. I promise not to get your account banned, or if you'd prefer, I can write the post and just PM it to you to post on RealGM.

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by sike

1340 (131 playoff) vs 1128 (128 playoff)

That is a 212 difference.

And that is how many fewer games Dirk has played than Kevin Garnett.

And he has STILL overtaken him.

That is amazing.

I hope we never have to see dirk be as bad as kg has been this year.

[Jack.Kerr]

Originally Posted by kurtkbain

How to fadeaway 101

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGzqnONWd2g

Old post players never die, they just fade away.

[iella]

A little nugget from Followill:

Leading the NBA in FGM in clutch situations (game within 6 in final 5 mins): Dirk Nowitzki w/ 16 - including 7/11 in last 3 games

[GhostOfAdamMorrison]

Originally Posted by iella

A little nugget from Followill:

"Not at all surprised...yet the type of stat the mainstream media will never show (they would if it were Kobe or LBJ). More fun numbers on Dirk (from MMB):

As mentioned earlier, Dirk is the 3rd most efficient iso/post-up player in the NBA, per Synergy.

Dirk is the 3rd best scorer coming off of screens, per Synergy. He's the 26th best scoring roll-man.

He has a True Shooting % above 60. The Mavs are 7.5 points per 100 possessions better when he's playing.

Dirk is 10th in the league in Catch-and-Shoot FG% among players who have made 100 points or more on spot-ups. Dirk is 1st in Catch-and-Shoot FG% among players who've made at least 170 points on such shots, beating only Klay Thompson.

And, despite everything, it seems like he has still lost a step. Dirk is amazing. We're all lucky to have him."

[GhostOfAdamMorrison]

See, this is why I want to make a post on RealGM.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/view...?f=6&t=1289317

The user, "CoachKobe" even shows the stats. Dirk is, significantly so, outplaying LMA this year, yet people seem to just want to ignore the facts.

[sike]

facisiating numbers. + rep

Originally Posted by GhostOfAdamMorrison

"Not at all surprised...yet the type of stat the mainstream media will never show (they would if it were Kobe or LBJ). More fun numbers on Dirk (from MMB):

As mentioned earlier, Dirk is the 3rd most efficient iso/post-up player in the NBA, per Synergy.

Dirk is the 3rd best scorer coming off of screens, per Synergy. He's the 26th best scoring roll-man.

He has a True Shooting % above 60. The Mavs are 7.5 points per 100 possessions better when he's playing.

Dirk is 10th in the league in Catch-and-Shoot FG% among players who have made 100 points or more on spot-ups. Dirk is 1st in Catch-and-Shoot FG% among players who've made at least 170 points on such shots, beating only Klay Thompson.

And, despite everything, it seems like he has still lost a step. Dirk is amazing. We're all lucky to have him."

[Jproxursoxoff]

Originally Posted by markus1234

Too bad Dirk is not in the east.

Imagine how many trips to the ECF/Finals Dirk would have had if the Mavs were in the East.

Originally Posted by Five-ofan

I hope we never have to see dirk be as bad as kg has been this year.

Lol too true. Ill cry the day Dirk is no longer able to create his own shot. But even then, he'd be worlds better than KG is right now.

[GhostOfAdamMorrison]

Originally Posted by sike

facisiating numbers. + rep

Wootz! I'm back in green...for now.

[EricaLubarsky]

Only 99 to English. and #13. Anyone wanna predict when it happens?

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Only 99 to English. Anyone wanna predict when it happens?

Dec. 20 vs. TOR

[markus1234]

And, despite everything, it seems like he has still lost a step. Dirk is amazing. We're all lucky to have him."

Confusing sentence. Maybe my english is too limited...

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by markus1234

Confusing sentence. Maybe my english is too limited...

It means he's still amazing, even if he's only 97% as amazing as he used to be.

[Bayliss]

Dec. 20 vs. TOR

Nice birthday present for me.