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Dooby · 06-27-2006, 11:34 AM

Rumor on Draft Express says Dallas is interested in trading Daniels for the 14th pick.

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1374','141

#1MavsFan · 06-27-2006, 02:33 PM

I doubt thats true but as much as I love Marquis I'd jump all over it. At 14 we could take Brewer who will be one of the best in this draft when it's all said and done imo.

madape · 06-27-2006, 03:02 PM

Is Utah under the cap enough to absorb Marquis's salary? If so, I guess you do this just to save a few bucks. If not, I'd keep Marquis. The chances of getting a guy that can play with a mid round pick in a draft this bad is slim. I'd stick with the sure thing and hold on to Daniels.

nashtymavsfan13 · 06-27-2006, 03:13 PM

I'd trade Daniels for Mike James instead. If that doesn't get done I'd keep him.

Dooby · 06-27-2006, 03:30 PM

I'd do it in a second. You are turning an undrafted free agent and three years into the 14th pick. I like that trade. Daniels isn't going to get significant playing time under Avery, so let him go. And I have said it before, but I think there is value in this draft in the middle-first. This isn't a terrible draft, there just isn't a clear cream of the crop.

Five-ofan · 06-27-2006, 03:33 PM

Daniels is anything but a sure thing and he is a 6 million dollar a year project. This guy would be around 1.5 mil a year i believe and if it is brewer or carney i think they would be better than daniels. The problem with daniels is that he doesnt have one thing he does extremely well. In order to be a role player you need to do something really well. He doesnt have that. He has a decent post game which is why he worked well in nelly's inverted offense but nelly isnt here anymore.

alexamenos · 06-27-2006, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

Daniels is anything but a sure thing and he is a 6 million dollar a year project.

he's a $6 million dollar a year project that hasn't shown any real signs of improvement in the last two years. take what you can get, IMO.

chumdawg · 06-27-2006, 03:55 PM

Maybe the Mavs are floating this rumor in order to get some leverage on James or another deal. But if it's true, sure, I'd take that.

Stylistic · 06-27-2006, 04:13 PM

I'd rather trade him for that 14th pick then trade him for Mike James.

some-dude · 06-27-2006, 04:17 PM

Utah would be hard pressed to do this. They're a good shooting guard away from being in the playoffs this year. With the Northwest being wide open, the 3 seed is wide open for them as well.

I don't think Marquis Daniels would be the answer for them, escpecially if they trade Boozer like some reports are saying.

If they do indeed propose this to the Mavs, the Mavs should bite. At 14 you could get Brewer, Carney, Ager, or even possible Foye. All of whom would cost less and make just as much, if not more, impact than Daniels would.

Five-ofan · 06-27-2006, 04:34 PM

If foye is there (he wont be) and the mavs make this trade, this will be an amazing trade.

#1MavsFan · 06-27-2006, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Stylistic

I'd rather trade him for that 14th pick then trade him for Mike James.

word. mike james is overrated

madape · 06-27-2006, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

If foye is there (he wont be) and the mavs make this trade, this will be an amazing trade.

He probably won't be there, but you bring up a good point. If a player the Mavs really like starts to drop, it's nice to have options open. The guy I'm going to keep my eye on is Rodney Carney. I have a feeling he might turn into the best player in this draft. He certainly has the athleticism, size and explosiveness to make it in the NBA. The Mavs need to start thinking about what to do after Stackhouse leaves or starts his decline. No better time to address that hole than right now. In 2010, Carney has a chance to be a superstar, and he just might fall to Utah at #14.

nashtymavsfan13 · 06-27-2006, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by some-dude

Utah would be hard pressed to do this. They're a good shooting guard away from being in the playoffs this year. With the Northwest being wide open, the 3 seed is wide open for them as well.

I don't think Marquis Daniels would be the answer for them, escpecially if they trade Boozer like some reports are saying.

Are you a Jazz fan?

some-dude · 06-27-2006, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by nashtymavsfan13

Are you a Jazz fan?

yes.

Five-ofan · 06-27-2006, 05:01 PM

Carney will fall to at least 14 i think. I agree with the ape on this one. The more options you have the better and I agree about carney having a chance to be great though i will be thoroughly shocked if roy isnt the best player in this draft. I do like daniels but it has become more and more apparent that AJ just doesnt like him and players that your coach wont use are pointless to have.

Evilmav2 · 06-27-2006, 05:57 PM

So... In 2004 Utah traded us the 21st pick in the draft so we could draft Big Pavel, and now they might be willing to trade us the 14th so we can draft Amadou Fall's boy Saer Sene? That sounds good to me...

bobatundi · 06-27-2006, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Evilmav2

So... In 2004 Utah traded us the 21st pick in the draft so we could draft Big Pavel, and now they might be willing to trade us the 14th so we can draft Amadou Fall's boy Saer Sene? That sounds good to me...

If they traded us the 14th pick FOR Pavel, would you do it?

(it's a rhetorical question, btw)

chumdawg · 06-28-2006, 09:50 AM

Here's my favorite scenario for tonight:

Dampier
Daniels
#28

for

Boozer
#14 (if Sene is there)

madape · 06-28-2006, 09:56 AM

chumdawg, I'd do that in a heartbeat. I think it would be attractive to Utah as well. Good idea!

birdsanctuary · 06-28-2006, 10:46 AM

That's the second rumor alleged for a mid round pick.. Maybe there's some truth to it...

madape · 06-28-2006, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by birdsanctuary

That's the second rumor alleged for a mid round pick.. Maybe there's some truth to it...

I heard Donnie this morning on the Ben and Skin show. They asked him what his priorities were going into the draft.

Basically, it went like this:
1) a "glass eater" at the 4/5.. Donnie mentioned someone who could guard Amare
2) an athletic swingman
3) always need shooters

If the Mavs did the trade proposed by chumdawg, and instead of drafting a 4th string project center in Sene, chose the super athletic swingman Rodney Carney, they would have killed two birds with one stone. Carney's a pretty decent shooter as well.

Trading away Marquis and Dampier isn't that big of a loss. Both contributed little in the playoffs. Dampier's rebounding will be missed, but Boozer could probably fill the void quite nicely. Additionally, Boozer would be able to vbetter cover more of the players that give the Mavs fits. With a resigned DJ and an improved Pavel, I still like our center rotation.

chumdawg · 06-28-2006, 11:09 AM

Ape, I think Donnie also mentioned "versatility" in the frontcourt. I could certainly see Boozer adding a different dimension to our frontcourt (as opposed to Damp, who is just a stronger Diop). I could envision Dirk and Boozer paired together for extended minutes against opponents like San Antonio and Phoenix, with Diop and Benga there to provide a different look. And of course Pavel, if he has improved enough to play by next year.

I just feel strongly that two things are working together to make Dampier unnecessary on this team: the (hopefully rapid) growth of our project centers, and the shift leaguewide against big, plodding centers. I also think about chemistry, which was another thing Donnie mentioned, and wonder how good Damp is for this team in that regard.

For many reasons, if it were me I would looking to deal Damp tonight. Jerry West has an itchy trigger finger, evidently, so that could be another partner. There is always the Knicks, but I'm hard pressed to find anything on their roster I care all that much about, unless it's just some way to clean Damp off the books after next season.

alexamenos · 06-28-2006, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Here's my favorite scenario for tonight:

Dampier
Daniels
#28

for

Boozer
#14 (if Sene is there)

no brainer. any chance Utah would really do this deal?

madape · 06-28-2006, 12:26 PM

http://newsnet.byu.edu/story.cfm/60259

The Utah Jazz will have an opportunity to improve their team tonight as they take the 14th pick in the 2006 NBA Draft.

One of the most persistent rumors - a staple in the media at draft time - is that the Jazz want to move up in the draft order by trading their highly paid forward, Carlos Boozer.

At a pre-draft workout last week, Jazz senior vice president of basketball operations Kevin O'Connor refused to rule that possibility out.

"If we could get a great player, would we trade somebody? The answer is yes," O'Connor said.

The Jazz have expressed quite a bit of interest in Duke guard J.J. Redick, despite his back problems and a recent DUI. Many of the mock drafts have Redick being taken before the Jazz have a chance, but it seems less likely that anyone will take him now that it has been announced that Redick's back problem is a herniated disk.

Another strong possibility is Michigan guard Shannon Brown, who worked out last Wednesday out at the Zion's Basketball Center for head coach Jerry Sloan and Jazz management.

"[Brown]'s got a great body for basketball," Sloan said. "He's got an NBA body."

O'Connor had positive things to say about Brown's performance.

"Athletically, he's a step above even the good athletes."

Of course, the Jazz are looking to fill a shooting void in their starting five. Sloan said Brown shot the ball pretty well, but not great, at the workout. Brown said he was mostly pleased with his performance at the workout, but that he had heavy legs. He also said he'd be happy to play for the Jazz.

"It'd be fun," he said. "They go out and they play hard. They compete. They've got a great coaching staff."

Other players the Jazz might draft include Senegalese center Saer Sene and Bradley center Patrick O'Bryant, who have worked out for the Jazz twice, and Connecticut center Hilton Armstrong. Of course, if they are able to trade up in the draft, everything changes.

No matter what happens though, O'Connor said the Jazz's draft picks may not have as much of a direct impact on the team's future as fans might like. He cited the example of the Miami Heat, who played only one of their own draft picks and won the championship.

"Yeah, we'd like for the 14th player to become a good player here," O'Connor said. "But I can't say, because if somebody offered us something for somebody ... that kind of stuff is going to happen and we're going to continue to make deals."

Sloan said he thinks the focus of the draft should be to get the best player even if it will take time for him to develop.

"We have a responsibility to try to get the best player even if it's going to be the best player five years from now."

MFFL · 06-28-2006, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Here's my favorite scenario for tonight:

Dampier
Daniels
#28

for

Boozer
#14 (if Sene is there)

Ouch.

Not a big Boozer fan. He's missed 80 of 164 games due to injury since joining the Jazz. Plus he's owed $47M over the next 4 years.

dalmations202 · 06-28-2006, 03:26 PM

Is Kirelenko available from Utah, w/o having to give up Dirk, Howard, or Harris?

MFFL · 06-28-2006, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dalmations202

Is Kirelenko available from Utah, w/o having to give up Dirk, Howard, or Harris?

No.

Maybe we could get him for both Howard and Harris. Maybe

some-dude · 06-28-2006, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MFFL

Ouch.

Not a big Boozer fan. He's missed 80 of 164 games due to injury since joining the Jazz. Plus he's owed $47M over the next 4 years.

If the Mavs can get that deal they have to do it.

Boozer is a terrific low post-scorer and your taking Damp of your hands. Although the Mavs don't really have a place for Boozer with Dirk at the 4. They can play Boozer at 5, but then you have a huge defensive liabilty in your froncourt.

some-dude · 06-28-2006, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dalmations202

Is Kirelenko available from Utah, w/o having to give up Dirk, Howard, or Harris?

Nope. He signed a big long-term deal two years ago and he and Deron are the cornerstones of their franchise.

FINtastic · 06-28-2006, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MFFL

Ouch.

Not a big Boozer fan. He's missed 80 of 164 games due to injury since joining the Jazz. Plus he's owed $47M over the next 4 years.

Yeah, when you consider that the main gripe about Quisy is the fact that he is injury prone, I'm not exactly sure why we want Boozer.

nashtymavsfan13 · 06-28-2006, 11:21 PM

We don't need Boozer, there's no place for him.

nashtymavsfan13 · 06-28-2006, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dalmations202

Is Kirelenko available from Utah, w/o having to give up Dirk, Howard, or Harris?

No way we can get Kirilenko, even for both Howard and Harris.

Five-ofan · 06-29-2006, 04:17 PM

You do realize that carlos boozer is about as bad as it gets defensively right?

Carolina Blue · 06-29-2006, 04:19 PM

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You do realize that carlos boozer is about as bad as it gets defensively right?

He's a dook alum...he's as bad as it gets PERIOD.

bobatundi · 06-29-2006, 05:57 PM

lest we forget...
http://www.carlosloozer.com/

nashtymavsfan13 · 06-29-2006, 11:29 PM

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lest we forget...
http://www.carlosloozer.com/

LOL lmao

some-dude · 06-29-2006, 11:53 PM

Wow, Cavs fans are REAAALLY pissed about losing C. Boozer. You'd think they would have gotten over it after what 2 years now? Then again Boozer is a good player and if he was still with Clevland they might have gotten past Detroit this year, but instead they have Drew Gooden.

nashtymavsfan13 · 06-29-2006, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by some-dude

Wow, Cavs fans are REAAALLY pissed about losing C. Boozer. You'd think they would have gotten over it after what 2 years now? Then again Boozer is a good player and if he was still with Clevland they might have gotten past Detroit this year, but instead they have Drew Gooden.

I'm still pissed that we lost Steve Nash.....

Carolina Blue · 06-30-2006, 01:30 AM

I'm still pissed that we lost Detlef Schrempf.....