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jcm28 · 12-11-2010, 12:08 AM

Whenever I watch some ESPN reporters talking about which winning streak is the most impressive, NOBODY ever mentions us even though we have the longest streak of all. Everyone is "impressed" by the Knicks winning 6 straight (beating super amazing teams like Toronto, Detroit, Minnesota and Washington) or by Miami's streak, simply because they are Miami.

Why the hell doesn't anybody respect the Mavs at all?

Underdog · 12-11-2010, 12:10 AM

Ridiculous.

jcm28 · 12-11-2010, 12:15 AM

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Ridiculous.

I'm so frustrated I got the title wrong.

Could any mod fix, please?

nowhereman · 12-11-2010, 12:29 AM

maybe they could just delete the thread instead and then we'd all be the better for it?

BGMaverick9 · 12-11-2010, 12:52 AM

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Why the hell doesn't anybody respect the Mavs at all?

Right now, the Boston homer doing color commentary just said Dirk was his top choice for MVP right now.

Thomas86 · 12-11-2010, 01:29 AM

Winning streaks are nothing new for Mavs but when you have a team like the Knicks on a winning streak of course that's gonna get people talking, as for the cHeat...the cHeat could beat a bunch of bad teams and ESPN will find a way to spin it and make the cHEAT look like contender for beating bad teams.

As for the media, I don't want the media to give the Mavs respect because it's bullsh*t it you ask me, the Spurs are doing good right now but the media whon't say nothing about the Spurs losing to the Suns 4-0 in the playoffs...but when the Mavs are doing good the media are quick to point out the Mavs past first round exits.

Then media try to say the Pau is better then Dirk but whon't say anyting about Pau never winning a playoff game alone...I could go on but I whon't because I'll get mad but yea fu*k the media!!

dude1394 · 12-11-2010, 01:59 AM

yeah...f'em all!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SPARTA!!!!!!!

NoTnERb · 12-11-2010, 03:20 AM

sadly, we should be used to this by now

the mavericks are very underrated and that's because we always do great during the regular season but fail come playoff time, after 2006 anyway. Just let them talk and come playoff time show em who's who.

xrobx · 12-11-2010, 03:25 AM

we have the chance to shut them up if we beat the heat again a few games from now

DMOC · 12-11-2010, 09:00 AM

We have the chance to shut them up if we win a playoff series this year.

Underdog · 12-11-2010, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jcm28

I'm so frustrated I got the title wrong.

I was more agreeing with you than pointing out your typo.

But I'm used to the Mavs getting shafted by certain members of the media - those haters would probably be hailing us as the next NBA dynasty if this same exact squad was located in New York.

LSMF · 12-11-2010, 09:50 AM

I actually like that we aren't spoken about as much. The media has a way of putting teams "under the microscope". I feel like when players are consistently monitored, it adds pressure. It's a blessing in disguise that we've become underrated. Hopefully, when it matters the most we can show the media and the rest of the world, that we are team to be reckoned with.

Underdog · 12-11-2010, 10:05 AM

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I actually like that we aren't spoken about as much. The media has a way of putting teams "under the microscope". I feel like when players are consistently monitored, it adds pressure. It's a blessing in disguise that we've become underrated. Hopefully, when it matters the most we can show the media and the rest of the world, that we are team to be reckoned with.

Yep, I've said it before and I'll say it again: this team thrives with an underdog mentality...

(I certainly didn't choose my screen name at random!)

CapitanObvious · 12-11-2010, 11:37 AM

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I was more agreeing with you than pointing out your typo.

I see what you did there.

Axilla · 12-11-2010, 11:44 AM

i heard this YESTERDAY on ESPN:

the two hottest teams in sports are the Dallas Mavericks and (some hockey team).

so that was a little vindication, but why don't you quit worrying about what media thinks.. its not healthy

fluid.forty.one · 12-11-2010, 01:15 PM

Well.. I'm technically more impressed by the Knicks win streak because I couldn't imagine the knicks winning 7 in a row before the season, but I'm not surprised when the Mavs pull that kind of win streak off... so I guess it just depends on what your definition of "impressive" is.

j0Shi · 12-11-2010, 01:42 PM

Dallas could play as well as anybody in the league and won't draw as much attention as Miami, Lakers and probably Boston. If they play bad in the regular season it will only add to the prevailing opinion that they won't do any damage in the postseason. They played stellar so far? Prove it in April again! Thats the way it is when you dropped of the playoffs so poorly the last four seasons.

jcm28 · 12-11-2010, 02:58 PM

The only way we would get as much attention as all those other teams is if we get another superstar player like CP3.

LSMF · 12-11-2010, 03:05 PM

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The only way we would get as much attention as all those other teams is if we get another superstar player like CP3.

Cp3 isn't a superstar anymore.

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-11-2010, 03:10 PM

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Cp3 isn't a superstar anymore.

Say what?

LSMF · 12-11-2010, 03:17 PM

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Say what?

Yes, you read that correctly. Chris Paul is NOT a superstar anymore. He's lost speed and explosiveness (A result of his injury?). He struggles to finish off the dribble, and he isn't at great at finishing over bigger defenders anymore. I don't have any stats to back this up, but what I've seen from him this season has not been his usual production. Now, don't get me wrong he still is an ALL-STAR but he is not a franchise player imho. I'm going to go lurking on some Hornets boards and see if I can find some info to help back up my claims.

mavs777 · 12-11-2010, 03:19 PM

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Yes, you read that correctly. Chris Paul is NOT a superstar anymore. He's lost speed and explosiveness (A result of his injury?). He struggles to finish off the dribble, and he isn't at great at finishing over bigger defenders anymore. I don't have any stats to back this up, but what I've seen from him this season has not been his usual production. Now, don't get me wrong he still is an ALL-STAR but he is not a franchise player imho. I'm going to go lurking on some Hornets boards and see if I can find some info to help back up my claims.

mavs777 · 12-11-2010, 03:21 PM

Paul is shooting 66.7% in the lane for comparison Parker shoots almost 60%, Deron shoots 50%

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 12-11-2010, 03:43 PM

Who cares about the medias respect. When we win a championship we'll have everyone's respect. Until then nothing short will matter.

LSMF · 12-11-2010, 04:46 PM

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Paul is shooting 66.7% in the lane for comparison Parker shoots almost 60%, Deron shoots 50%

My level of fail? You know I would appreciate it, if you told me where you thought I was wrong. Instead, you posted a picture of 2 cats. Lame. Back to the topic though.

Chris Paul Career Statistics:
PPG : 19.1
APG: 10.0
RPG: 4.7
SPG: 2.4
FG%: 47%
3ptFG%: 36%
These are Chris Paul's career numbers.

Chris Paul's BEST Season Statistically: (08-09)
PPG: 22.8
APG: 11.0
RPG: 5.5
SPG: 2.8
FG%: 50.3%
3ptFG%: 36%
These are the best numbers of Chris Paul's career, and these are definetely "Superstar" numbers. Now, compare them to his numbers this season :

Chris Paul : 2010-2011
PPG: 15.8
APG: 10.4
RPG: 4.4
SPG: 3.2
FG%: 48%
3ptFG: 47%

Like I said before, these are still very impressive stats. Even in a down year, Paul is doing well. But, these numbers are NOT superstar numbers. They are all-star numbers. Mavs777 I would really appreciate if you watched a few Hornets games, or did some extra research. You'll see that Paul is no longer the same player. I would look for some more stats, but I really have to finish this history paper (lol).

TeamTyson · 12-11-2010, 04:53 PM

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Chris Paul : 2010-2011
PPG: 15.8
APG: 10.4
RPG: 4.4
SPG: 3.2
FG%: 48%
3ptFG: 47%

Like I said before, these are still very impressive stats. Even in a down year, Paul is doing well. But, these numbers are NOT superstar numbers. They are all-star numbers. Mavs777 I would really appreciate if you watched a few Hornets games, or did some extra research. You'll see that Paul is no longer the same player. I would look for some more stats, but I really have to finish this history paper (lol).

Do you think these are superstar numbers?

PPG: 15.5
APG: 11.5
RPG: 3.3
SPG: 1.0
FG%: 50%
3pt%: 43%

FINtastic · 12-11-2010, 05:35 PM

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Do you think these are superstar numbers?

PPG: 15.5
APG: 11.5
RPG: 3.3
SPG: 1.0
FG%: 50%
3pt%: 43%

Quite a few of the voters in the 2004-05 MVP race did.

fluid.forty.one · 12-11-2010, 05:44 PM

haha

rabbitproof · 12-11-2010, 07:08 PM

Nash's MVPs were kinda underwhelming. Not saying he didn't deserve them but they were close votes, etc.

nowhereman · 12-11-2010, 07:12 PM

Everything about this thread is embarassing, from the title to the subject matter to the absolutely asinine claim that Chris Paul isn't a superstar.

FINtastic · 12-11-2010, 07:53 PM

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Everything about this thread is embarassing, from the title to the subject matter to the absolutely asinine claim that Chris Paul isn't a superstar.

Yeah, it's kinda strange to knock a guy that's leading the NBA in both PER and Win Shares.

mavErika · 12-11-2010, 08:39 PM

In defense of LSMF, I have to say that reading through a Hornets board a few days ago, I noticed that Hornet fans are indeed disappointed in Paul's recent play (and it seemed to me, are questioning his desire to play great and not just putting up great numbers moreso than they are worried about his knees, which came as a surprise to me). I started a semi-long post on this before, then realized I don't care enough to fight through the language barrier and abandoned it. Besides, you can't control what da message boards do: reading through a Nets GDT of the last game, it wouldn't have taken much to convincing to make them trade D.Harris for JJB that night.

LSMF · 12-11-2010, 08:48 PM

Well, I guess it comes down to how we define "Superstar" around here. I have already shown stats to help my case, and I've seen him play multiple times this year. There have been times(more than once) this season he's even been held scoreless in the fourth. And I just don't believe 16 amd 10 are "Superstar" numbers, and until someone explains why they are my opinion won't change.

Btw- Before someone changes up my words, I'm not saying Paul isn't a great player. He's an all-star, but not a superstar.

mavErika · 12-11-2010, 08:55 PM

them 4 - us 29

are you serious??

edit: wrong thread - so what?

fluid.forty.one · 12-11-2010, 11:10 PM

lol at lurking at hornets boards considered doing "research".

oh, and yes. Steve Nash was a superstar. So is Paul. (Steve Nash has been held *scoreless* in 4th quarters too, btw.)

fluid.forty.one · 12-11-2010, 11:18 PM

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In defense of LSMF, I have to say that reading through a Hornets board a few days ago, I noticed that Hornet fans are indeed disappointed in Paul's recent play (and it seemed to me, are questioning his desire to play great and not just putting up great numbers moreso than they are worried about his knees, which came as a surprise to me). I started a semi-long post on this before, then realized I don't care enough to fight through the language barrier and abandoned it. Besides, you can't control what da message boards do: reading through a Nets GDT of the last game, it wouldn't have taken much to convincing to make them trade D.Harris for JJB that night.

Awesome thread irony here. Like, amazing.

FINtastic · 12-11-2010, 11:18 PM

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Well, I guess it comes down to how we define "Superstar" around here. I have already shown stats to help my case, and I've seen him play multiple times this year. There have been times(more than once) this season he's even been held scoreless in the fourth. And I just don't believe 16 amd 10 are "Superstar" numbers, and until someone explains why they are my opinion won't change.

Btw- Before someone changes up my words, I'm not saying Paul isn't a great player. He's an all-star, but not a superstar.

Again, he's leading the league in PER so I don't know how you can claim his numbers aren't great. But what's a superstar in your book? Top 3? Top 5? Top 8?

She_Growls · 12-11-2010, 11:26 PM

Shhhhhhh....be glad "they" are not talking about the Mavs. Silence is golden...

RareMilk · 12-11-2010, 11:34 PM

Does ESPN DALLAS count for national media coverage?

particleman · 12-11-2010, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LSMF

Well, I guess it comes down to how we define "Superstar" around here. I have already shown stats to help my case, and I've seen him play multiple times this year. There have been times(more than once) this season he's even been held scoreless in the fourth. And I just don't believe 16 amd 10 are "Superstar" numbers, and until someone explains why they are my opinion won't change.

Btw- Before someone changes up my words, I'm not saying Paul isn't a great player. He's an all-star, but not a superstar.

Because points and assists aren't the only stats that matter. Chris Paul is ridiculously efficient. He's averaging more steals than turnovers. Shooting lights out. As mentioned, he's leading the league in PER.

If he averaged 24 and 12 but with 44% shooting and 4 TO/game would he be a superstar?