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Underdog · 03-10-2016, 09:50 AM

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That said, I've said all along this season that I feel like this roster has too many holes for even a great coach to plug. I'm very hopeful that this summer sees a major roster upgrade or, barring that, a youth movement overhaul.

Carlisle is getting dumped on for not giving more minutes to rookies and journeymen -- as if playing lesser talent from the end of the bench is going to magically fix this mess of a team. That's how poorly this roster is constructed right now.

DGM · 03-10-2016, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Carlisle is getting dumped on for not playing rookies and journeymen -- that tells you all you need to know about our roster.

What he's doing isn't working. They are all journeymen other than Parsons and Dirk. They may be paid a lot but their performance is resulting in lost games. It may not hurt to try something different.

Is it possible that some of the blame is RC's?

Underdog · 03-10-2016, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DGM

What he's doing isn't working. They are all journeymen other than Parsons and Dirk. They may be paid a lot but their performance is resulting in lost games. It may not hurt to try something different.

Is it possible that some of the blame is RC's?

When you need a hammer, but the closest thing you have is a rubber mallet, you don't bust out a screwdriver and expect better results.

It's not like Carlisle is underachieving with some amazing roster at his disposal -- this squad was pegged to be a lotto team in the preseason, yet here we are competing for a playoff spot. One might call that overachieving.

Here's what's wrong with this team: veterans on 1-year contracts don't play as hard as veterans on 4-year contracts... Do you think a guy like D-Will is going to kill his body so this team can win games? Hell no, he's trying to stay healthy so he can milk another payday (which has been the case for a lot of our starters since we won the title...)

Cuban needs to abandon the fantasy that any superstar would want to come to Dallas to help Old Man Dirk win another ring, and start taking a full rebuild seriously... Because whenever we strike out on those big names, we're stuck with hired guns looking to earn a bigger payday when they move on from Dallas... Mercenary ball just isn't working, and Cuban's plan to retool on the fly has yielded nothing but mediocrity.

rimrocker · 03-10-2016, 10:58 AM

I'm certainly not blaming Lee by any means but we have basically sucked ever since he came on board. I knew McGee and Powell would never see the court again after he was signed but we were at least beating lesser skilled teams when they were playing.
Lee has been great but I think RC needs to go with more of a traditional PF style and let Lee play WITH Zaza and McGee or Mejri. I'd even like to see Lee with Powell because we're missing Powell's energy.

This team is falling in love with 3ptrs and that seems to be what kills us. Right now we simply aren't hitting them and the impact is showing on the scoreboard. Our defense isn't even close to making up for our shooting slumps during games.

Bottom line....we don't need to stay stretch 4 style the entire game.

SMC0007 · 03-10-2016, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

When you need a hammer, but the closest thing you have is a rubber mallet, you don't bust out a screwdriver and expect better results.

It's not like Carlisle is underachieving with some amazing roster at his disposal -- this squad was pegged to be a lotto team in the preseason, yet here we are competing for a playoff spot. One might call that overachieving.

Here's what's wrong with this team: veterans on 1-year contracts don't play as hard as veterans on 4-year contracts... Do you think a guy like D-Will is going to kill his body so this team can win games? Hell no, he's trying to stay healthy so he can milk another payday (which has been the case for a lot of our starters since we won the title...)

Cuban needs to abandon the fantasy that any superstar would want to come to Dallas to help Old Man Dirk win another ring, and start taking a full rebuild seriously... Because whenever we strike out on those big names, we're stuck with hired guns looking to earn a bigger payday when they move on from Dallas... Mercenary ball just isn't working, and Cuban's plan to retool on the fly has yielded nothing but mediocrity.

No doubt.

Wes is the latest prime example of this.

Underdog · 03-10-2016, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

No doubt.

Wes is the latest prime example of this.

Yeah, when the highest-paid guy on your roster is an above-average roleplayer coming off of a major injury........ YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

Prime Wes? No doubt... But his prime ended with that injury -- and I'm not sure if we're even getting 60% of what he used to be on both ends of the floor.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-10-2016, 11:34 AM

I just hate that we're playing the worst basketball at the exact wrong time. I'm starting to see signs of players tuning Rick out which is really bad. And the "be ready" approach needs to be altered because frankly it isn't working. I agree that he doesn't have the talent he needs to work with, but he just hasn't been a very good coach this second half of the season. Playing Matthews at SF needs to stop immediately because he isn't excelling there, and it isn't helping the team. And you might as well play the young guys because this team isn't going anywhere. Like seriously, are we just going to let Dwight Powell walk this summer rendering the Rondo trade a 100% failure? Or keep him just to not play him?

Wtf is going on?

SMC0007 · 03-10-2016, 03:04 PM

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I just hate that we're playing the worst basketball at the exact wrong time. I'm starting to see signs of players tuning Rick out which is really bad. And the "be ready" approach needs to be altered because frankly it isn't working. I agree that he doesn't have the talent he needs to work with, but he just hasn't been a very good coach this second half of the season. Playing Matthews at SF needs to stop immediately because he isn't excelling there, and it isn't helping the team. And you might as well play the young guys because this team isn't going anywhere. Like seriously, are we just going to let Dwight Powell walk this summer rendering the Rondo trade a 100% failure? Or keep him just to not play him?

Wtf is going on?

Yea, occaisonally he can find some success vs SF's but most times it's not working.

The issue with us ever rebuilding is RC has to learn how to do that. He doesn't give our young guns time consistently so rebuilding isn't his forte. I am sure he is smart enough to be successful at if once he is forced to do so... but that is probably going to take many unlikely things falling into place sooner than later.

rimrocker · 03-10-2016, 03:39 PM

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The issue with us ever rebuilding is RC has to learn how to do that. He doesn't give our young guns time consistently so rebuilding isn't his forte. I am sure he is smart enough to be successful at if once he is forced to do so... but that is probably going to take many unlikely things falling into place sooner than later.

Some coaches are good at teaching and developing (Larry Brown) and others are good at managing games. Rick is obviously the latter but doesn't have the right pieces to be at his best. Instead of looking forward to the future he is only concerned about winning each individual game. Can't fault him for that but I don't think he will be suited to coach this team once Dirk is gone.

It's almost the worst case scenario for this team right now because Rick will do whatever it takes to win and has no concern about sacrificing for our future and with Dirk on our team, along with an extremely competitive owner, Rick can only try to do what Rick does best.

I don't think Rick can ever develop players....leopards simply don't change their spots.
I'd love to see what Larry Brown could do (or could have done) with some of our current and recent youth (Powell, Crowder, Wright, Anderson, Aminu, and even Parsons)

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-10-2016, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Yea, occaisonally he can find some success vs SF's but most times it's not working.

The issue with us ever rebuilding is RC has to learn how to do that. He doesn't give our young guns time consistently so rebuilding isn't his forte. I am sure he is smart enough to be successful at if once he is forced to do so... but that is probably going to take many unlikely things falling into place sooner than later.

Well the flip side is getting the most out of Pachulia and Lee. My issue is that I'm not sure of the future they have with the team. Both will be free agents and could move on. Powell, however, is restricted so there should be a much bigger effort to get him going again. I feel like the team is desperate to have some sort of youth future, and there is little choice but to have faith in Anderson and Powell. And they don't totally suck so why not? We're not pulling out some miracle upset versus GS or SA, so I just don't see what there is to lose.

DGM · 03-10-2016, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

When you need a hammer, but the closest thing you have is a rubber mallet, you don't bust out a screwdriver and expect better results.

It's not like Carlisle is underachieving with some amazing roster at his disposal -- this squad was pegged to be a lotto team in the preseason, yet here we are competing for a playoff spot. One might call that overachieving.

Here's what's wrong with this team: veterans on 1-year contracts don't play as hard as veterans on 4-year contracts... Do you think a guy like D-Will is going to kill his body so this team can win games? Hell no, he's trying to stay healthy so he can milk another payday (which has been the case for a lot of our starters since we won the title...)

Cuban needs to abandon the fantasy that any superstar would want to come to Dallas to help Old Man Dirk win another ring, and start taking a full rebuild seriously... Because whenever we strike out on those big names, we're stuck with hired guns looking to earn a bigger payday when they move on from Dallas... Mercenary ball just isn't working, and Cuban's plan to retool on the fly has yielded nothing but mediocrity.

I agree with most of what you stated, but Carlisle has some culpability for the recent play of the team. You give him a pass that he doesn't completely deserve.

Here's why i complain:
- Playing a beat up journeyman (Zaza) and a 6-9 power forward (Lee) at center with three bigger centers on the bench (one inactive). Zaza started out great but RC has run him into the ground. He's not able to do what he could earlier in the year.
- Using Dirk like he's 27 instead of 37. Lee, Dirk and Powell are power forwards. They should played at center sparingly.
- Using a 6-5 two guard who is coming off a severe injury against bigger and stronger small forwards makes him less efficient. Wes at two guard for 30 minutes backed up by Williams and Harris would help him. He shoud not be played at three so much. I see the same with Wes as Zaza. Too many minutes (especially at three)has worn him down. Two tiny guards on the floor together is a prescription for bad defense. For example, the Mavs were lucky last night because Caldwell-Pope was off. He missed lots of open shots and could shoot over Felton and JJ at will.
- Not playing Anderson behind Parsons and giving him some minutes.

I have to agree about D-Will. He plays in spurts and has the body language of a guy who would stay home if he could still get his money.

rimrocker · 03-10-2016, 01:51 PM

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Cuban needs to abandon the fantasy that any superstar would want to come to Dallas to help Old Man Dirk win another ring, and start taking a full rebuild seriously... Because whenever we strike out on those big names, we're stuck with hired guns looking to earn a bigger payday when they move on from Dallas... Mercenary ball just isn't working, and Cuban's plan to retool on the fly has yielded nothing but mediocrity.

I'm almost to the point of hoping we just pay Dirk $20+mil next season to make up all he has sacrificed and fill the team with guys 25 and under to play with him. We develop some youth while Dirk piles up numbers and we set ourselves up for a high lotto pick in 2017.

I know, sounds a lot like the Lakers but Kobe never sacrificed like Dirk has and they are in decent shape to get Simmons in the draft or trade for a budding superstar like Cousins....we have virtually nothing to look forward to.