Defensive rankings

[Dooby]

Through 4 games (too early to really tell):

4th in Opponents FG% at .400 (last year 27th at .459).

12th in opponents scoring at 92.3 (last year 28th at 100.8/game).

I'll try and update this periodically.

[sike]

great idea Dooby...keep us up to date

the improvements are drastic and need to get continual props

Harris/Terry/Howard/Damp has done wonders

[Dooby]

Add Henderson to that list.

[ZueriMav]

Sorry Dooby, I have to correct you. At least, that's stated at NBA.com ;-)
After four games
3rd in Opponents FG% at .395 (last year 27th at .459)
12th in opponents scoring at 93.75 (last year 28th at 100.8/game)

[V]

Also ... third in 'opponent effective field goal percent' and tied for fourth in 'opponent points per shot'

[The Miles]

I will wait till we beat a team that has won a game before I get too excited. Tonight should be a great measuring stick, Orlando is really talented and really deep, it will be really fun to see how our new scheme works against them.

[Bookit]

Originally posted by: The Miles
I will wait till we beat a team that has won a game before I get too excited. Tonight should be a great measuring stick, Orlando is really talented and really deep, it will be really fun to see how our new scheme works against them.

One of the main reasons thos Mav opponents haven't won any games is that the Mavs have beaten them. Remember, the Kings and the Hornets were unbeaten until the Mavs played them. Just another way to look at it.

[Dooby]

Through 6 games :

3rd in Opponents FG% at .395 (last year 27th at .459).

11th in opponents scoring at 93.66 (last year 28th at 100.8/game).

[Dooby]

Double posts rock!

[Dirkenstien]

Posted by The Miles

I will wait till we beat a team that has won a game before I get too excited.

Get excited.

[Dirkenstien]

Originally posted by: Dooby
Through 6 games :

3rd in Opponents FG% at .395 (last year 27th at .459).

11th in opponents scoring at 93.66 (last year 28th at 100.8/game).

This is amazing. We have really turned things around this season. Hopefully we can continue to improve and land in the top 5 of all team defensive categories by years end. If we can do that I dont think any team will be able to stop us.

[EricaLubarsky]

Through 7 games we are

Offensive
2nd in the NBA in scoring at 103.83. Only Phoenix scores more.
3rd in 3pt % (39.4%)
4th best rebounding team in the league (46.83rpg)
9th in FT% (77.0%)
10th in FG% (44.7%)
28th in assists per game (18.0). The Best team is Utah with 24.8apg
13th best TO (15.33TOpg)

Defensive
2nd in opponent FG% (39.5%)
2nd in opponent 3pt% (lowest) (22.6%)
9th in steals (8.67spg)
10th in opponent ppg (93.66ppg).
11th in blocks (6.17) (and Bradley is only now getting PT and Dampier is only now jumping for blocks)
18th in fouls per game (24.67FPG) New Jersey Averages 30FPG

When scoring 100 points, we are 5-0.
When our opponent scores 100 points....well that hasnt happened yet.

[alby]

just wanted to say that i really like this thread.. good idea dooby

[alby]

with how awesome our defense is playing this year thus far, it is still pretty amazing that nine other teams hold their opponents to fewer points per game

[grndmstr_c]

with how awesome our defense is playing this year thus far, it is still pretty amazing that nine other teams hold their opponents to fewer points per game

Not really when you consider that we're still an up tempo team, allowing for more posessions in a game, and have been vulnerable on the defensive boards.

[alby]

Not really when you consider that we're still an up tempo team, allowing for more posessions in a game, and have been vulnerable on the defensive boards.

with how pitiful our rebounding has been this year thus far, it is still pretty amazing that we are ranked fourth in the league in rebounding =p

[mary]

Originally posted by: EricaLubarsky
Through 7 games we are

Offensive
2nd in the NBA in scoring at 103.83. Only Phoenix scores more.
3rd in 3pt % (39.4%)
4th best rebounding team in the league (46.83rpg)
9th in FT% (77.0%)
10th in FG% (44.7%)
28th in assists per game (18.0). The Best team is Utah with 24.8apg
13th best TO (15.33TOpg)

Defensive
2nd in opponent FG% (39.5%)
2nd in opponent 3pt% (lowest) (22.6%)
9th in steals (8.67spg)
10th in opponent ppg (93.66ppg).
11th in blocks (6.17) (and Bradley is only now getting PT and Dampier is only now jumping for blocks)
18th in fouls per game (24.67FPG) New Jersey Averages 30FPG

When scoring 100 points, we are 5-0.
When our opponent scores 100 points....well that hasnt happened yet.

These stats only reflect the first six games. With yesterday's game, our PPG fell to 102.4 which put us at third after the Utah game.

[mary]

Some defensive stats after seven games.

1st in OPP FG% 39.0
1st in OPP 3FG% 25.0
9th in OPP PPG 91.4
6th in STLS 9.1
7th in D Reb 32.3
12th in Blcks 6.1

Some differential stats

1st in 3FG% 13.6
3rd in PPG 11.0
5th FG% 5.7



The perimeter stats look really good right now, but it should be pointed out that most of the teams we've played so far haven't shot the long ball well in their other games either.

[Murphy3]

Originally posted by: alby

with how pitiful our rebounding has been this year thus far, it is still pretty amazing that we are ranked fourth in the league in rebounding =p

Not really when you consider the rankings are based upon total rebounds. With the Mavs still playing in up tempo games, that also means that the opponents will take more shots. So, there's alot of shots to go around....alot more rebounds to go around than in most games played by other teams.

[grndmstr_c]

with how pitiful our rebounding has been this year thus far, it is still pretty amazing that we are ranked fourth in the league in rebounding =p

Some advice. This would have come off as funnier if what you're implying weren't just wrong. You see, Dallas is also second to last in opponent's offensive rebounds per game.

[bigox71]

Dallas is the only team yet to surrender 100 points in a game. I never thought I'd hear that.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/sortab...nf=1&prd=1#top

Team Statistics (100-Point Games) for 2004-2005

WHEN OPPONENT SCORES 100+

TEAM GAMES WINS LOSS WIN PCT
1 Houston 7 1 0 1.000
2 Dallas 7 0 0 0.000
3 Milwaukee 4 1 0 1.000
4 Boston 5 0 1 0.000
5 L.A. Clippers 7 0 1 0.000
6 Miami 6 1 1 0.500
7 Philadelphia 6 2 1 0.667
8 San Antonio 6 0 1 0.000
9 Seattle 6 0 1 0.000
10 Utah 6 0 1 0.000
11 Minnesota 5 0 1 0.000
12 Portland 6 1 1 0.500
13 Chicago 4 0 2 0.000
14 Indiana 7 2 2 0.500
15 Orlando 6 1 2 0.333
16 Phoenix 6 0 2 0.000
17 Toronto 7 0 2 0.000
18 Memphis 6 0 2 0.000
19 New Orleans 6 0 2 0.000
20 Cleveland 6 1 2 0.333
21 Golden State 7 0 2 0.000
22 New York 5 0 2 0.000
23 Denver 6 1 3 0.250
24 Detroit 6 0 3 0.000
25 Washington 6 0 3 0.000
26 Charlotte 5 1 3 0.250
27 New Jersey 6 1 3 0.250
28 L.A. Lakers 8 0 4 0.000
29 Sacramento 6 1 4 0.200
30 Atlanta 6 0 4 0.000

[EricaLubarsky]

few more stats

Dirk is second in total points, and third in PPG at 27.3
He's currently one point behind Kobe Bryant

Kobe is shooting 38.9%/28.6% and his team is 4-4
LeBron is shooting 45.9%/29.0% and his team is 3-3
Dirk is shooting 50.0%/47.8% and his team is 7-1

another stat:

over the last 3 games we've shot 53% from three (27-51) while holding our opponents to 35% (18-51) from there.

[Rockstar]

love it

[Rockstar]

love it

[Dooby]

Through 8 games :

2nd in Opponents FG% at .400 (last year 27th at .459).

9th in opponents scoring at 91.4 (last year 28th at 100.8/game).

[Murphy3]

Originally posted by: EricaLubarsky
few more stats

Dirk is second in total points, and third in PPG at 27.3
He's currently one point behind Kobe Bryant

Kobe is shooting 38.9%/28.6% and his team is 4-4
LeBron is shooting 45.9%/29.0% and his team is 3-3
Dirk is shooting 50.0%/47.8% and his team is 7-1

another stat:

over the last 3 games we've shot 53% from three (27-51) while holding our opponents to 35% (18-51) from there.

Dirk's shooting 51.8%/51.9%

[Lonely PSU Mavs Fan]

From ESPN.com

Defensively:
14th in scoring at 95.6 ppg
3rd in FG% at 40.9%
2nd in 3pt% at 26.3%


offensively:
2nd in scoring at 104.4 ppg
11th in FG% at 45.1%
4th in 3pt% at 40.1%

We have a positive differential in all categories except 3pts attempted (-0.6)

hopefully we can keep this up

[Dooby]

Through 12 games :

5th in Opponents FG% at .418 (last year 27th at .459).

15th in opponents scoring at 96.2 (last year 28th at 100.8/game).

[sike]

thanks for keeping this thread up Dooby, it helps remind the absent minded how improved they are at the defensive end.

from 27th to 5th is no small jump

from 28 to 15th is nothing to laugh at

[dude1394]

Anyone done any sort of analysis on defensive numbers with/without damp in the game? The team just seems to extend more when he's there and I can't quite put my fingure on it. He's not the great shot-blocker that shawn is? Is it just that he keeps the center out of the paint or is able to seal him off?

I'll have to think about it some over the next few weeks.

[EricaLubarsky]

He takes up a LOT of room in the middle but mostly it just seems that the defense of the other 4 is a lot more fluid. Maybe its just all psychological for the players knowing that Damp is there.

If I wasnt spending time with my family, I'd crunch some numbers. I'll wait for someone else to do it.

[Ninkobei]

As of this second, Damp's stats look like this:
MIN PTS OFF DEF TOT AST STL BLK TO
25.4 8.7 2.4 4.8 7.2 1.0 0.36 1.00 1.5
FGM FGA FG% 3PM 3PA 3P% FTM FTA FT%
3.3 6.5 .500 0.0 0.1 .000 2.2 3.9 .558

Minnesota vs. Dallas, Damp's in-out game stats:

In Out Off Def Tot At/Cmp Pts Scored PtsAlw
1stQ 12:00 End 2 0 2 1/2 4 29 20
2ndQ 9:08 End 1 1 2 0/4 0 12 16
3rdQ 12:00 1:46 2 3 5 2/2 7 15 18
4thQ DNP...?!
TOT 31M 5 4 9 3/8 11 56 54

Not sure if this is what you were lookin for, dude. Hope it helps. first time attempting to do any stats (any websites would greatly help, tried doin this off ESPN.com play-by-play and yesh...

[grndmstr_c]

82games.com is the best for evaluating on-court vs. off-court numbers for individual players.

If you want numbers for individual games, check out the game flows at popcornmachine.net. There are errors in the calculations at this sight, I believe because of the way they treat substitutions that happen when teams are shooting free throws, but their numbers are close enough to give a general idea of what a player's on-court +/- is for a particular game.

As for Damp, on balance he hasn't done as well in the +/- as some people have been giving him credit for (there's room for improvement on both ends of the court), though his numbers have been improving as the season has gone on, and there have definitely been games where he's been a clear and necessary positive for the Mavs. Interestingly enough, there's quite a large spread in terms of which players he appears to work best with. His best numbers come when paired with Harris, Fin, Josh, and Dirk. He and Hendu, and he and JT, have been curiously ineffective when they share the court. The pairing with Terry is quite strange when you consider that Terry has been the team's second most effective back-court player overall behind Fin according to the +/-. Offense seems to be the main culprit in the JT/Damp pairing. Nothing seems to have worked out very well when Hendu and Damp have shared the court. Of course, if JT's been paired up with Damp with Hendu in at the same time very often, that could go a long way toward explaining some of the numbers.

[Bayliss]

Grandmaster_C, one thing that semi show up with those stats is the impact that Dampier has on Dirk on both sides.

Numbrs speaking, it might not show up, but I'd venture to say that Dirk picks up less fouls next to Dampier, obtains more blocks and steals next to Dampier too. Offensively, I would say his FG% and FT attempts greatly increase as well.

[grndmstr_c]

Grandmaster_C, one thing that semi show up with those stats is the impact that Dampier has on Dirk on both sides.

I'm not sure that I see the effect you're referring to. Dirk's overall on-court +/- is a +12.9. By comparison the Damp/Dirk pairing has an on-court +/- of +10.8. I suppose you could argue that since some of those paired minutes are against opposing teams' starting units, perhaps the competition is a little stiffer than at other times. Just hard to get a feel is all I'm saying.

[Bayliss]

I'm not sure that I see the effect you're referring to.

The effect is knowing you have a bruising center to absorb punishment if you mke a mistake. The effect is knowing you have someone on the blocks to dump it down to if a double comes on the offensive end, or someone to "unclog" the middle for penetration.

I'm not sure it is measureable by stats. But Dirk's personal stats aren't a fluke this year. Yes, losing Nash forced Dirk to control the ball. But the reason why Dirk is shooting a much better percentage this year from inside and outside the 3 is having Dampier on the court opening up "lanes" for him more. Most of those lanes were clogged by Walker and Jamison.

And if Howard continues to knock down the jumper, you will not see a small forward guard Dirk again. (The only reason Marion got to in Phoenix is because Dallas couldn't punish Amare on the blocks with Damp because of the injury.)

[grndmstr_c]

The effect is knowing you have a bruising center to absorb punishment if you mke a mistake. The effect is knowing you have someone on the blocks to dump it down to if a double comes on the offensive end, or someone to "unclog" the middle for penetration.

If the effect ain't on the scoreboard then it ain't no kind of effect at all. Damp's effect on the scoreboard has been mixed thus far, but has taken a turn for the better of late. Hopefully that will continue.

[Bayliss]

If the effect ain't on the scoreboard then it ain't no kind of effect at all.

Well, that's where +/- stats can be misleading, somewhat.

If Dampier plays against Phoenix, I seriously doubt Dirk picks up 5 fouls. That is what I mean by absorbing contact. That might not directly translate to "points" but it does affect the game if Dirk is considered the last line of defense and has to take a foul or two because of "defensive pressure" on all outsides.

[Bayliss]

If the effect ain't on the scoreboard then it ain't no kind of effect at all.

Well, that's where +/- stats can be misleading, somewhat.

If Dampier plays against Phoenix, I seriously doubt Dirk picks up 5 fouls. That is what I mean by absorbing contact. That might not directly translate to "points" but it does affect the game if Dirk is considered the last line of defense and has to take a foul or two because of "defensive pressure" on all outsides.

[grndmstr_c]

Well, that's where +/- stats can be misleading, somewhat.

If Dampier plays against Phoenix, I seriously doubt Dirk picks up 5 fouls. That is what I mean by absorbing contact. That might not directly translate to "points" but it does affect the game if Dirk is considered the last line of defense and has to take a foul or two because of "defensive pressure" on all outsides.

I doubt Damp saves Dirk from fouls any more than Bradley does.