07-11-2019, 01:59 PM
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#4081
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I understand people's disappointment with the lack of success in the free agent market, but everyone needs to understand that the Mavs are just another team now like any other. We don't stand out in any way shape or form. Teams can be attractive to star free agents in one of two ways- #1- be a title contender, #2- be located in either New York or Los Angeles. That's really it. Literally everyone else in the NBA has to rely on the draft and trades to build a roster. The Mavs haven't been #1 in many years now, and will never be #2. People seem to think that Luka and KP together make Dallas a more attractive destination than before. It doesn't. Luka and KP haven't played a single NBA minute together. There is absolutely zero guarantee that they will be successful together, especially given KP's injury history. As of right now the Mavs are a lottery team that didn't have pick this year. Nothing more.
Kemba was never a very realistic possibility. Danny Green chose the Lakers, like countless others before him. After that, who else was there really? And what exactly do the Mavs have to offer that countless other teams don't? We're just another team with cap room. Disappointment is understandable, but the constant hand-wringing about how horribly the Mavs have failed in free agency is a bit silly.
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07-11-2019, 03:38 PM
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#4082
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Not really. Cuban's reaction was silly. Fans have a right to be disappointed. The FO laid it on too thick. That's their fault, no one else's.
Last edited by texasbball; 07-11-2019 at 05:48 PM.
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07-11-2019, 03:59 PM
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#4083
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson
Kemba was never a very realistic possibility.
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Pretty much every rumor/report, reliable or not, pointed at Kemba being a Mav before Horford opted out. I suppose he could have gone to another team like the Lakers, but the rumors seemed pretty legit.
The fact that Cuban admitted Kemba was their first choice pretty well reinforces their confidence in getting him.
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07-11-2019, 04:00 PM
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#4084
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Quote:
Originally Posted by texasbball
Not really. Cuban's reaction was silly. Fans have a eight to be disappointed. The FO laid it on too thick. That's their fault, no one else's.
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OK, we get it. We don't disagree. But pouting about it gets old.
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07-11-2019, 04:59 PM
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#4085
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart
Pretty much every rumor/report, reliable [i]or not,[/b] pointed at Kemba being a Mav before Horford opted out. I suppose he could have gone to another team like the Lakers, but the rumors seemed pretty legit.
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The words in bold are the key words in that sentence. I'll be honest, I haven't really been following the offseason all that closely in terms of rumors or reports. I only took interest after things started actually happening. So apparently there was a lot going on I didn't know about, but I for one never thought Kemba was coming here. Again, we're just another bad team with cap room. Why would he choose the Mavs over anyone else?
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The fact that Cuban admitted Kemba was their first choice pretty well reinforces their confidence in getting him.
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Does it? To me that's Cuban stating a very obvious fact, nothing more. It was only common sense for Kemba to be the Mavs top target.
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07-11-2019, 05:53 PM
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Between Mark and Don Jr., we were promised big things. Personally, I'm not that disappointed or anything. Out of my control. But the language was so direct. They should have hedged if they didn't want such reactions. I don't hate the FO, I just think they made a mistake. Twice.
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07-11-2019, 06:03 PM
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Someone created a poll so we can all vote if we dislike and think the FA was a fail or not, then we can move forward since everyone will be on record.
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07-11-2019, 06:59 PM
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#4088
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Quote:
Originally Posted by texasbball
Between Mark and Don Jr., we were promised big things. Personally, I'm not that disappointed or anything. Out of my control. But the language was so direct. They should have hedged if they didn't want such reactions. I don't hate the FO, I just think they made a mistake. Twice.
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Mr. Shark Tank should know the fundamentals of business 101, and that includes "underpromise and overdeliver." SMH
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07-11-2019, 07:02 PM
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Just saw this which sheds light on Dallas as a free agency destination.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX19vN_Iey8&t
You cannot attract mainstream talent when you are not in the mainstream conversation. Is it really a surprise that the two super talents Dallas did manage to obtain recently are the two "international" stars that are under-valued, under-appreciated and basically ignored by the mainstream media narrative? Crumbs, really.
Oh, wait a second, Dirk was an international superstar too. hmmmm.
Wake up, smell the roses.
But, for this, in the end, the ultimate victory will feel ever so sweeter.
Last edited by LukaMagic; 07-11-2019 at 07:14 PM.
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07-11-2019, 07:29 PM
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#4090
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Westbrook to Houston for CP3 and a load of picks. Wow
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07-11-2019, 07:33 PM
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#4091
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Quote:
Originally Posted by endtroducing MASKED
Westbrook to Houston for CP3 and a load of picks. Wow
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Westbrook and Harden have cat fights over the ball.
Chris Paul gets to boss around a bunch of rookies.
I bet those locker rooms are fun.
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07-11-2019, 07:36 PM
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#4092
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Why hell would you trade him out West to the Rockets and take back equally bad cp3 contract?
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07-11-2019, 07:38 PM
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#4093
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Amarelooms
Why hell would you trade him out West to the Rockets and take back equally bad cp3 contract?
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They got an absolute shit ton of picks and swaps.
Sources: Pick protections in Thunder/Rockets, Russell Westbrook/Chris Paul trade:
2024 first round pick, protected 1-4
2026 first round pick, protected 1-4
2025 swap, 1-20 protected
2021 swap, protected 1-4 -- OKC can swap Clippers pick or Heat pick.
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07-11-2019, 07:42 PM
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#4094
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In 4-5 years rockets likely bad. They might get 1-4 pick
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07-11-2019, 07:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Amarelooms
In 4-5 years rockets likely bad. They might get 1-4 pick
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Most of the picks will be traded. OKC has gotten 8 first rounders this summer. Small market teams stack assets because they’re small market teams.
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07-11-2019, 07:53 PM
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Talent wide, Houston "shouldn't" have lost much, but this is a much different system he's walking into. Lots of new coaches as well. It's hard to predict which way they go.
OKC is going to be really messy for awhile, but the fan base should be able to enjoy draft night for the next several years.
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07-11-2019, 07:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by endtroducing MASKED
Westbrook to Houston for CP3 and a load of picks. Wow
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If this isn't absolute proof that plan powder doesn't work, then nothing is. No contract is untradeable in this league.
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07-11-2019, 07:59 PM
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#4098
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Five-ofan
I feel like this is underselling fin the player. No he wasn't as good as peak Kidd but he was the best player on the team for a little while and was a top 15 NBA player at one point.
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I never meant to demean fin as a player. Many nights he was the best Mav on the floor. I just meant to emphasize his role as a leader, and the kind of vet this team needs.
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07-11-2019, 08:02 PM
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#4099
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart
If this isn't absolute proof that plan powder doesn't work, then nothing is. No contract is untradeable in this league.
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The way the league is now, if a player wants to play for your team, he will find a way to do it, no matter what. If they don’t want to play for you, you’re most likely not going to sell them on it. Clearly we don’t have many star level guys who want to play in Dallas, and that’s the issue (obviously)
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07-11-2019, 08:03 PM
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Fire Sale in Progresss: Mavericks could take Steven Adams' contract and a future #1 for Courtney Lee.
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07-11-2019, 08:03 PM
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#4101
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Well, for the record, it wasn't much of a trade except by talent. Both salaries were an identical match (although Russ has an extra year relative to Chris Paul). But I would agree that no contract is untradeable.
Harden only has one more year after this one, so it's hard to know what Houston will look like in a few years. I'd rather be OKC.
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07-11-2019, 08:04 PM
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#4102
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart
If this isn't absolute proof that plan powder doesn't work, then nothing is. No contract is untradeable in this league.
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That's the 2nd and 3rd worst contracts in the league being swapped for each other lol. This trade makes the rockets worse
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07-11-2019, 08:12 PM
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#4103
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr
Fire Sale in Progresss: Mavericks could take Steven Adams' contract and a future #1 for Courtney Lee.
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Where did you see this offer?
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07-11-2019, 08:12 PM
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#4104
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OKC = From 2020 to 2026: 15 first-round picks and the swap rights in 4 years.
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07-11-2019, 08:13 PM
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#4105
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JJP
Talent wide, Houston "shouldn't" have lost much, but this is a much different system he's walking into. Lots of new coaches as well. It's hard to predict which way they go.
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Imagine westbrick chucking even more 3s. lol
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07-11-2019, 08:14 PM
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#4106
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BPo001
Where did you see this offer?
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It was more of a suggestion. Speckle-ation, son, speckle-ation.
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07-11-2019, 08:14 PM
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#4107
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JJP
OKC = From 2020 to 2026: 15 first-round picks and the swap rights in 4 years.
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Maybe the most flexibility in league history?
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07-11-2019, 08:17 PM
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#4108
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Originally Posted by endtroducing MASKED
Maybe the most flexibility in league history?
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By a country mile I would guess.
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07-11-2019, 08:28 PM
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#4109
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Five-ofan
That's the 2nd and 3rd worst contracts in the league being swapped for each other lol. This trade makes the rockets worse
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I mean, I get some of the RW hate, but this goes a bit too far. He is better than the current Chris Paul by quite a bit.
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07-11-2019, 08:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart
I mean, I get some of the RW hate, but this goes a bit too far. He is better than the current Chris Paul by quite a bit.
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But he's the worst high volume shooter in NBA history. He's not gonna have the ball and he's useless without it.
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07-11-2019, 08:53 PM
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Nick Angstadt
@NickVanExit
Since 2012, the last time Westbrook and Harden played together, only 2 players have attempted at least 10,000 shots.
James Harden 10,520
Russell Westbrook 10,342
The rest of the Rockets lineup might as well sit at the foul line and play cards... kind of like the old Harlem Globetrotters who had a comedy routine similar to that.
Last edited by JJP; 07-11-2019 at 08:56 PM.
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07-11-2019, 08:54 PM
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The trade does not madden me. I just wish we could have gotten something out of it of course. Too bad they didn't need us to help complete it. I enjoyed watching those two play together. I went to two of the games in which the Mavericks defeated the Thunder in the playoffs. That team had Westbrook, Harden, Durant, Ibaka, and Perkins. I love how our team was simply too much for them. Game 1 of that series was one of the best I've seen in person. Dirk's 48 vs Durant's 40.
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07-11-2019, 08:57 PM
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Man, the NBA Free agency is something else. I gotta recognize that Westbrook is one of my favorite players, so exciting to watch. He has some obvious flaws in his game but I think he is going to improve the Rockets, Chris Paul was declining fast.
As for the Mavs, it's getting increasingly likely we might not make the playoffs with how brutal the West is going to be. So all in on Porzingis coming back, developing chemistry with Luka and our young guys improving now. Hopefully we can work some trades to ditch out our bad contracts or find another good young piece to keep building a contender.
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07-11-2019, 08:58 PM
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#4114
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Paul may be traded again, according to Woj. Looking at Miami.
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07-11-2019, 09:03 PM
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#4115
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Five-ofan
But he's the worst high volume shooter in NBA history. He's not gonna have the ball and he's useless without it.
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Remember when people here bitched that we got a guy who shot only 47%/33%/80% in April?
Westbrook shot 44%/31%/64%
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07-11-2019, 09:04 PM
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#4116
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Quote:
Originally Posted by endtroducing MASKED
Paul may be traded again, according to Woj. Looking at Miami.
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He'd better be. OKC has a terrible problem at PG... 4 of them. And one of them, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander should probably get the bulk of the minutes.
When you actually look at the OKC lineup.... it's pretty good. Not playoff good, but they could fix that by next year. OKC with Adams, Gallinari, and Alexander are not going to be a pushover.
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07-11-2019, 09:04 PM
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#4117
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JJP
Nick Angstadt
@NickVanExit
Since 2012, the last time Westbrook and Harden played together, only 2 players have attempted at least 10,000 shots.
James Harden 10,520
Russell Westbrook 10,342
The rest of the Rockets lineup might as well sit at the foul line and play cards... kind of like the old Harlem Globetrotters who had a comedy routine similar to that.
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Allen Iverson had 11,920 attempts in a 7 year time span. Wilt Chamberlain had 17,068 attempts in his first 7 seasons. So yeah... it could be a whole lot worse.
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07-11-2019, 09:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by endtroducing MASKED
Paul may be traded again, according to Woj. Looking at Miami.
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I have a feeling the Mavericks will be involved with that one!
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07-11-2019, 09:10 PM
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#4119
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But...I thought Paul and Harden were still pals?
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07-11-2019, 09:17 PM
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What would we need trade to get Adams. Could we get 1st round pick from okc
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