Trade deadline

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by tap2390

All I know is we need change. I would sell Bull and DFS before THJ though (barring Luka wanting DFS to remain since that's his best friend on the team).

THJ is at least ballsy enough to take shots and can somewhat put the ball on the floor. Bull and DFS play scared.

I hate to say it, but I kinda agree. It's annoying to hear people complain about our lack of cap space, but then be OK when the FO gives long term deals to DFS and Maxi. Sorry, but those guys just don't move the bar.

And it has nothing to do with whether these guys are worth what they are being paid or not. We shouldn't be giving out long term contracts to anyone that isn't a second star or really, really f'in good that takes the load off of Luka.

Perplexing, really.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I hate to say it, but I kinda agree. It's annoying to hear people complain about our lack of cap space, but then be OK when the FO gives long term deals to DFS and Maxi. Sorry, but those guys just don't move the bar.

And it has nothing to do with whether these guys are worth what they are being paid or not. We shouldn't be giving out long term contracts to anyone that isn't a second star or really, really f'in good that takes the load off of Luka.

Perplexing, really.

Almost every team with a supermax player is going to be cap constrained. It's how willing is Cuban to stay in the luxury tax space which seemingly is not at all.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I hate to say it, but I kinda agree. It's annoying to hear people complain about our lack of cap space, but then be OK when the FO gives long term deals to DFS and Maxi. Sorry, but those guys just don't move the bar.

And it has nothing to do with whether these guys are worth what they are being paid or not. We shouldn't be giving out long term contracts to anyone that isn't a second star or really, really f'in good that takes the load off of Luka.

Perplexing, really.

I mean, those aren't cap buckling contracts and they are definitely worth it IMO. Argument to be had on DFS as he's regressed, but if he can return, both players are types you'd like to have in a rotation, albeit at reduced roles. It's tough because I get that sentiment, it's just that we have a collection of meh contracts. I definitely hear you on the length and tying it up for that long. Doesn't help that they all kind of fell on top of each other in terms of timing.

I did just notice that Bullock's contract next year is only just above half guaranteed. That could be an attractive add-in to a trade to make dollars work. He certainly isn't going to drive return on his own.

In any event, it's clear that a shakeup is needed and apparently the odds of it happening are increasing each day. I just hope like someone said they don't make a move just to make one and have a plan to either upgrade the team now or its situation moving forward (i.e. trading these longer deals for expiring).

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I hate to say it, but I kinda agree. It's annoying to hear people complain about our lack of cap space, but then be OK when the FO gives long term deals to DFS and Maxi. Sorry, but those guys just don't move the bar.

And it has nothing to do with whether these guys are worth what they are being paid or not. We shouldn't be giving out long term contracts to anyone that isn't a second star or really, really f'in good that takes the load off of Luka.

Perplexing, really.

Those contracts become bad when there's 3 years left and they start suxking and their ceiling is already low to begin with. Sure 10 mill here, 10mil there is not too bad...but then a cpl other 11 or 12 mill guys and they all do the same thing, or they're all very one dimensional.

Whatever they do, we need a lot more balance.

[tap2390]

Things I know for certain:

-Luka likes playing with Wood
-We absolutely can?t hesitate to move Green and/or Hardy if it brings back a stud
-Bull, DFS, and Maxi are good defenders, but are too one dimensional on offense to be receive more than 20 mpg in the playoffs (compare to Milwaukee?s, Boston?s, and Memphis? role players)

Teams that in full blown tank mode:

-Charlotte, Detroit, Houston, San Antonio

Realistically attainable players we should be looking at:

-Terry Rozier
-Bojan Bogdanovic
-Alec Burks
-Eric Gordon
-Doug McDermott

My favorite realistic deals:

-DFS, Powell, pick(s) for Rozier (Powell comes off the books after this year, DFS fits with Ball)

-Powell, pick(s) for Burks

-Powell, Bull, Green for Bojan & Burks

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Things I know for certain:

-Luka likes playing with Wood
-We absolutely can?t hesitate to move Green and/or Hardy if it brings back a stud
-Bull, DFS, and Maxi are good defenders, but are too one dimensional on offense to be receive more than 20 mpg in the playoffs (compare to Milwaukee?s, Boston?s, and Memphis? role players)

Teams that in full blown tank mode:

-Charlotte, Detroit, Houston, San Antonio

Realistically attainable players we should be looking at:

-Terry Rozier
-Bojan Bogdanovic
-Alec Burks
-Eric Gordon
-Doug McDermott

My favorite realistic deals:

-DFS, Powell, pick(s) for Rozier (Powell comes off the books after this year, DFS fits with Ball)

-Powell, pick(s) for Burks

-Powell, Bull, Green for Bojan & Burks

Bogs and Rozier are the only ones we need in that group.

I wouldn't want any of the other old one dimensional players.