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mac222b · 06-11-2018, 02:47 PM

Schroeder has been inconsistent from 3 would be the issue with he and Trae. Not that he is some sort of transcendent star or anything but it still boggles the mind(!) that we took Larkin over so many useful players, Schroeder included.

He's pretty ball dominant but may be interesting on the Pacers. Maybe Bud would know how to use him in Mil.? Bledsoe is a bad basketball player and I bet they'll do what they can to move him

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-11-2018, 03:42 PM

I'm not sold on JJJ's BBIQ, but his skillset is undeniable. If he can rebound, then I'm down.

Zaman314125 · 06-11-2018, 03:55 PM

I'm with you. His ceiling to me is Miles Turner offensively and Serge Ibaka defensively.

mac222b · 06-11-2018, 04:21 PM

JJJ is the guy I'd be least excited about in the top 6-7. Followed by Bagley, who at least has star potential if he puts it all together. I like Zach Collins better than JJJ

SMC0007 · 06-11-2018, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

JJJ is the guy I'd be least excited about in the top 6-7. Followed by Bagley, who at least has star potential if he puts it all together. I like Zach Collins better than JJJ

Same hers.. and id probabky take z Collins instead as well

hayth.james.g · 06-11-2018, 05:06 PM

My final top 5 wish list for the Mavs assuming Porter Jr medical was nothing but positive:

1. Ayton
2. Doncic
3. Porter Jr
4. Bagley
5. J3
6. Bamba

Toss up with the last 3. Like others have mentioned, as soon as we pick him I will immediately become fan biased 100%. I'm not as high on Bamba because I watched every UT game last year (live in austin). He had a stretch where he was dominate, but more often than not seemed completely out of it offensively. Will the game slow down for him? Will he get stronger? I'm sure he can and will, but it's enough to give J3 the edge imo.

Right now I think that there is a good chance we see quite abit of shakeup draft night.

rimrocker · 06-11-2018, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

My final top 5 wish list for the Mavs assuming Porter Jr medical was nothing but positive:

1. Ayton
2. Doncic
3. Porter Jr
4. Bagley
5. J3
6. Bamba

Toss up with the last 3. Like others have mentioned, as soon as we pick him I will immediately become fan biased 100%. I'm not as high on Bamba because I watched every UT game last year (live in austin). He had a stretch where he was dominate, but more often than not seemed completely out of it offensively. Will the game slow down for him? Will he get stronger? I'm sure he can and will, but it's enough to give J3 the edge imo.

Right now I think that there is a good chance we see quite abit of shakeup draft night.

I followed the Big 12 pretty close this year and I know what you mean about Bamba. There were games where he just didn't assert himself for someone with his size to help his team. It almost reminded me of watching Shawn Bradley at times as you expected him to completely dominate smaller centers but didn't for some reason.

However I'd still take him at #5 because he should get much better as he matures and has such freakish attributes that could make him a force someday. He did look very good at times and I remember him completely dominating Udoka Azubuike who is the same height and outweighs Bamba by at least 50lbs.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-11-2018, 05:04 PM

Zach Collins of Portland? Jeez, that seems kinda harsh. I'm not crazy about JJJ, but I definitely think he'll be better than Collins.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-11-2018, 05:13 PM

So is Woj gonna give away the picks again before they are announced, or will we only find out when Silver announces them?

Melonhead · 06-11-2018, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

So is Woj gonna give away the picks again before they are announced, or will we only find out when Silver announces them?

Probably but I try to stay off twitter once the draft starts.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-11-2018, 05:51 PM

My mock:

Ayton
Bagley
Bamba
Porter Jr
Doncic
Trae
JJJ
Mikal
Miles

SMC0007 · 06-11-2018, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

My mock:

Ayton
Bagley
Bamba
Porter Jr
Doncic
Trae
JJJ
Mikal
Miles

Tasty! I would love this

tap2390 · 06-19-2018, 08:16 PM

1) PHX - D. Ayton
2) SAC - L. Doncic (just don't see Vlade passing over Luka)
3) ATL - T. Young (desperate to fill seats)
4) MEM - M. Bagley (slides in nicely at the 4 for a team desperate to fill seats )
5) DAL - M. Bamba (goes over J3 due to polish and Mavs comfort with him)
6) ORL - J. Jackson (fits in nicely with Aaron Gordon)
7) CHI - M. Porter (MPJ gets his wish)
8) CLE - W. Carter (they're in full blown rebuild and go BPA)
9) NYK - Mik. Bridges (goes over other Bridges due to his defensive ability)
10) PHI - Z. Smith (while they like Miles Bridges, they like Z. Smith's build and upside a little more (plus Miles is too similar to Covington))
11) CHA - Mil. Bridges (they go BPA)
12) LAC - K. Knox (they have a glut of score first forwards, but Knox has too much upside to overlook)
13) LAC - S. Gilgeous-Alexander (they need a long term solution at point)
14) DEN - C. Sexton (hard to pass up his potential here and allows Jamal Murray to play off ball)
15) WAS - L. Walker (too much upside to pass up here and they need the scoring punch)
16) PHX - E. Okobo (high upside PG who will benefit from a year behind Payton)
17) MIL - R. Williams (the worst rebounding team in the league gets a boost)
18) SAS - K. Thomas (Spurs desperate for scoring from their backcourt)
19) ATL - D. DiVencenzo (looking for someone who can space the floor and complement Young)
20) MIN - J. Robinson (they need the spacing)
21) UTA - G. Trent (despite lack of athleticism is still very young and has a great jumper that will provide spacing for Mitchell/ Gobert)
22) CHI - M. Robinson (a bit of an unknown but long-term upside next to Lauri is very high)
23) IND - K. Huerter (a great fit that will provide spacing for Oladipo)
24) POR - K. Bates-Diop (versatile and strong)
25) LAL - J. Okogie (high upside will replace some of the young pieces they'll have on the move this offseason)
26) PHI - A. Simons (long-term prospect who doesn't quite directly threaten Fultz but is on the brink of doing so)
27) BOS - D. Melton (fits their team mentality and replaces Rozier/ Smart)
28) GS - J. Evans (versatile guy who may end up replacing Iggy/ Draymond in the future)
29) BKN - O. Spellman (what do you get the team that has nothing?)
30) ATL - D. Musa (with three first rounders they have the luxury of a draft-n-stash)

31) PHX - C. Hutchinson (provides versatility and leadership)
32) MEM - L. Shamet (smart & can shoot/ space which the Grizz will need)
33) DAL - S. Milton (Mavs take another Texas college kid, hoping he'll be ready to take Wes's spot in a year)

Alright, I'm done taking up too much space on the boards with pointless mocks. Enjoy.

Zaman314125 · 06-19-2018, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

1) PHX - D. Ayton
2) SAC - L. Doncic (just don't see Vlade passing over Luka)
3) ATL - T. Young (desperate to fill seats)
4) MEM - M. Bagley (slides in nicely at the 4 for a team desperate to fill seats )
5) DAL - M. Bamba (goes over J3 due to polish and Mavs comfort with him)
6) ORL - J. Jackson (fits in nicely with Aaron Gordon)
7) CHI - M. Porter (MPJ gets his wish)
8) CLE - W. Carter (they're in full blown rebuild and go BPA)
9) NYK - Mik. Bridges (goes over other Bridges due to his defensive ability)
10) PHI - Z. Smith (while they like Miles Bridges, they like Z. Smith's build and upside a little more (plus Miles is too similar to Covington))
11) CHA - Mil. Bridges (they go BPA)
12) LAC - K. Knox (they have a glut of score first forwards, but Knox has too much upside to overlook)
13) LAC - S. Gilgeous-Alexander (they need a long term solution at point)
14) DEN - C. Sexton (hard to pass up his potential here and allows Jamal Murray to play off ball)
15) WAS - L. Walker (too much upside to pass up here and they need the scoring punch)
16) PHX - E. Okobo (high upside PG who will benefit from a year behind Payton)
17) MIL - R. Williams (the worst rebounding team in the league gets a boost)
18) SAS - K. Thomas (Spurs desperate for scoring from their backcourt)
19) ATL - D. DiVencenzo (looking for someone who can space the floor and complement Young)
20) MIN - J. Robinson (they need the spacing)
21) UTA - G. Trent (despite lack of athleticism is still very young and has a great jumper that will provide spacing for Mitchell/ Gobert)
22) CHI - M. Robinson (a bit of an unknown but long-term upside next to Lauri is very high)
23) IND - K. Huerter (a great fit that will provide spacing for Oladipo)
24) POR - K. Bates-Diop (versatile and strong)
25) LAL - J. Okogie (high upside will replace some of the young pieces they'll have on the move this offseason)
26) PHI - A. Simons (long-term prospect who doesn't quite directly threaten Fultz but is on the brink of doing so)
27) BOS - D. Melton (fits their team mentality and replaces Rozier/ Smart)
28) GS - J. Evans (versatile guy who may end up replacing Iggy/ Draymond in the future)
29) BKN - O. Spellman (what do you get the team that has nothing?)
30) ATL - D. Musa (with three first rounders they have the luxury of a draft-n-stash)

31) PHX - C. Hutchinson (provides versatility and leadership)
32) MEM - L. Shamet (smart & can shoot/ space which the Grizz will need)
33) DAL - S. Milton (Mavs take another Texas college kid, hoping he'll be ready to take Wes's spot in a year)

Alright, I'm done taking up too much space on the boards with pointless mocks. Enjoy.

No man! It was fun reading all the picks and the reasoning behind them. I liked our 5th pick, just didn't like that we didn't trade with the Nuggets to get Lonnie Walker. Isaac Harris LOVES that guy.

Underdog · 06-11-2018, 08:34 PM

@wojespn: Sources: Jaren Jackson Jr., had a monster workout for Suns on Sunday, and continues to be the long-term prospect those outside Top 4 are working to move up and select in draft. Offers to Sacramento, Atlanta and Memphis may become increasingly aggressive between now and June 21.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-11-2018, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

@wojespn: Sources: Jaren Jackson Jr., had a monster workout for Suns on Sunday, and continues to be the long-term prospect those outside Top 4 are working to move up and select in draft. Offers to Sacramento, Atlanta and Memphis may become increasingly aggressive between now and June 21.

All of this shit is propaganda. What non-top guy hasn't had some sort of monster something? It's all poker.

The fact that it says "continues to be the long-term prospect" is almost negative in that he is what we all know he is...a guy that isn't going to come in next season and dominate.

hayth.james.g · 06-11-2018, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

All of this shit is propaganda. What non-top guy hasn't had some sort of monster something? It's all poker.

The fact that it says "continues to be the long-term prospect" is almost negative in that he is what we all know he is...a guy that isn't going to come in next season and dominate.

I'm not sure that "plug and play" is that important to any of these team aside from Memphis. Franchise altering superstar is. This draft is packed with guys that have this kind of potential.

Again, few can boast the versatility and potential on both sides of the ball that J3 has already demonstrated. His knocks are lack of discipline and production as the youngest prospect in the draft on one of the most stacked teams in college basketball.

sefant77 · 06-11-2018, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Franchise altering superstar is. This draft is packed with guys that have this kind of potential.

Yeah this makes the draft really special, pretty much every guy has high ceiling on paper.

Bagley: Better Bosh
Doncic: Euro Wunderkind
Bamba: Unicorn
JJJ: 3&D Center Unicorn
Porter: Durant light
Trae: smaller Steph Curry

Because of everyone having such potential on paper its almost impossible for #2 until #6 to pick BPA, everyone has solid BPA arguments. So i think fit will play a significant role, something you normally shouldnt do drafting so high but his draft isnt a normal draft, so i think teams are going to draft a lot for fit.

So here we go:

Kings:
They got Fox, Hield and WCS as their main pieces. I think Doncic is maybe BPA AND the best fit for the Kings. The Kings offense is a mess and Fox isnt a typical floor general. Kings owner thinks of Hield as a new Steph Curry (remember), so Doncic could create tons of open shots for Hield. And also taking playmaking pressure of Fox. Taking Bamba and you pretty much shove WCS out of the door. The Kings have max cap, so they could run after a PF in the PF stacked free agency (Gordon, Parker, Randle, Favors....)

Fox - Hield - Doncic - Randle/Favors - WCS

Looks pretty solid. I really think they go Doncic with Bagley/Porter in their 2nd tier.

Hawks:
They have issues with Schröder and Schröder burned some bridges. He has a solid tradeable contract, so good chances he is gone (thats why they are looking at Trae too). Prince emerged as really nice SF and Collins is one of the 2018 draft steals BUT Collins has zero midrange game and a shakey corner three. He isnt really PF for the future and should be used as center.

So the Hawks have a need at PG/SG and PF (and go to guy scoring), explaining why they are high on Bagley and Trae. Porter could also jump into the 2nd tier for them. So my guess is Bagley - Trae - Porter for them. The Hawks GM loves Trae. Taking Bamba and the Hawks still have glaring holes everywhere.

Grizzlies:
Win now with Conley and Gasol. Brooks emerged as a really nice but undersized wing. Pretty much everyone thinks they are looking for a big scoring wing who is ready. This should nail it down to Doncic and Porter, with Bagley as third option because of his fit with Gasol.

Suns: Ayton
Kings: Doncic (Porter/Bagley)
Hawks: Bagley/Trae/Porter
Grizz: Doncic/Porter/Bagley

So my guess is there is still hope for our Bamba train. Kings have WCS, Hawks Collins and Grizz Gasol. They all could and should look for similar star potential at a different position.

JJJ is kind of a wildcard, i have no idea if one of the teams in front of us would bite because of his potential as stretch frontcourt player....

Underdog · 06-11-2018, 09:09 PM

I love how we talk these guys down when all of them are likely to be better than any player we've drafted since Dirk (I'm guilty of it too).

Underdog · 06-11-2018, 09:48 PM

Locked On Mavericks Draft Profiles

Marvin Bagley III, Deandre Ayton, Luka Doncic, Mo Bamba, Michael Porter Jr., Jaren Jackson Jr., Mikal Bridges

https://twitter.com/LockedOnMavs/sta...45083220529154

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-11-2018, 10:24 PM

Also, why is JJJ working out for the suns if they’ve already committed to Ayton?

rimrocker · 06-12-2018, 06:03 AM

The good thing is that one of Bamba, Jackson or Bagley should be available at #5 so we should end up with a good big.

Porter or Doncic could be there as well so overall I'd say we are in a pretty damn good position to draft a franchise player. We have an opportunity to solve 1 of our 3 major needs with this pick and should have plenty of cap space to address one of the other 2.

EricaLubarsky · 06-12-2018, 08:25 AM

9 days

Melonhead · 06-12-2018, 08:36 AM

I go back and forth on preference but I think we’ll be choosing one of:

J3
Mo.B
MPJ

I really don’t see Trae Young sneaking up into the top 4. Maybe I’m crazy I don’t see it in him. Of course if it happens more for us to choose from. But it’s a long shot.

EricaLubarsky · 06-12-2018, 09:56 AM

At 5 we are going to get someone good

I’m more interested in trades. Will we trade up to nab someone we love? Trade down for more assets?

hayth.james.g · 06-12-2018, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

At 5 we are going to get someone good

I’m more interested in trades. Will we trade up to nab someone we love? Trade down for more assets?

Trading down is my nightmare scenario. Or worse trading the pick entirely for a player.

Adding another top 10 pick is my dream.

SMC0007 · 06-12-2018, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Trading down is my nightmare scenario. Or worse trading the pick entirely for a player.

Adding another top 10 pick is my dream.

Tighten your dream up to top 5, because we won't trade down.

EricaLubarsky · 06-12-2018, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Trading down is my nightmare scenario. Or worse trading the pick entirely for a player.

Adding another top 10 pick is my dream.

I remember when we had the 6th pick and traded it for the 9th and 19th.

Worked out pretty well for us.

9 got us Dirk and 19 got us Nash.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-12-2018, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I remember when we had the 6th pick and traded it for the 9th and 19th.

Worked out pretty well for us.

9 got us Dirk and 19 got us Nash.

Huh? Nash was drafted by Phoenix in '96 at number 15.

Nevermind, I see that you referring to the trade.

FreshJive · 06-12-2018, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I remember when we had the 6th pick and traded it for the 9th and 19th.

Worked out pretty well for us.

9 got us Dirk and 19 got us Nash.

Remember when Nellie worked here

EricaLubarsky · 06-12-2018, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FreshJive

Remember when Nellie worked here

We have to go back!

rimrocker · 06-12-2018, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I remember when we had the 6th pick and traded it for the 9th and 19th.

Worked out pretty well for us.

9 got us Dirk and 19 got us Nash.

I think we traded our unprotected 1999 1st round pick along with the 1998 19th pick for Nash. That pick turned out to be the 9th pick.....Shawn Marion.

BPo001 · 06-12-2018, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

I think we traded our unprotected 1999 1st round pick along with the 1998 19th pick for Nash. That pick turned out to be the 9th pick.....Shawn Marion.

"What the people got, unexpectedly, was Nash, who fills the Mavericks' mammoth void at point guard. Nelson was unable to pry the Canadian from Phoenix at midseason - instead taking Cedric Ceballos for Dennis Scott - but nabbed Nash this time by packaging the first-round pick in 1999 with Garrity, Bubba Wells and Martin Muursepp.
The Suns refused to make the trade unless the pick was left unprotected. That means the Mavericks must surrender it no matter how high in next June's lottery it falls."

BPo001 · 06-12-2018, 01:15 PM

I don't want to trade down. I want the FO to identify their guy and get him. Don't try and get cute thinking you can trade down a few spots. I wouldn't mind seeing them talk with Den about Faried and the 14th pick. I think Rick could make Faried useful and a PnR target and help our rebounding issues.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-12-2018, 04:52 PM

I really do like JJJ's talent, but I just can't see the FO and the fanbase being patient with him. He is basically this year's Frank in that he is young and will need time to develop. Don't be surprised at a 7/4/1 season.

I don't care, but an entire season of people crapping on him would suck. And by midseason, are some of us going have meltdowns again if we aren't begging for a loss every game?

I actually feel that it's the perfect time to get a long term development player because the Mavs aren't anywhere near good. We already got the mostly NBA ready Smith and can afford to gamble a little more with a project. That's similar to why I like Bamba who is a little more ready but still a project.

Patience or not?

SMC0007 · 06-12-2018, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I really do like JJJ's talent, but I just can't see the FO and the fanbase being patient with him. He is basically this year's Frank in that he is young and will need time to develop. Don't be surprised at a 7/4/1 season.

I don't care, but an entire season of people crapping on him would suck. And by midseason, are some of us going have meltdowns again if we aren't begging for a loss every game?

I actually feel that it's the perfect time to get a long term development player because the Mavs aren't anywhere near good. We already got the mostly NBA ready Smith and can afford to gamble a little more with a project. That's similar to why I like Bamba who is a little more ready but still a project.

Patience or not?

I just can't see taking a guy at 5 and using the words long term. That doesn't ride with me. Maybe if he's the best 16 year old the world has ever seen, maybe Bronny James. But at 5, I can see a risk like taking MPJ because he has the best chances that people know of to become a superstar, but not a guy we have to wait 4 years for. We need some positive momentum and a something that resembles a core to attract free agents as well as keeping DSJ around. If we aren't taking a guy that is going to come out similar to DSJ and bring excitement and show obvious promise, then wtf exactly are we doing?

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-12-2018, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

I just can't see taking a guy at 5 and using the words long term. That doesn't ride with me. Maybe if he's the best 16 year old the world has ever seen, maybe Bronny James. But at 5, I can see a risk like taking MPJ because he has the best chances that people know of to become a superstar, but not a guy we have to wait 4 years for. We need some positive momentum and a something that resembles a core to attract free agents as well as keeping DSJ around. If we aren't taking a guy that is going to come out similar to DSJ and bring excitement and show obvious promise, then wtf exactly are we doing?

I would say if you are looking for a little excitement, development, AND some production next season, then Bamba no question. The length and personality of that guy will bring people to the seats without a doubt.

I don't see JJJ with that kind of moxy to get a rise out of people.

SMC0007 · 06-12-2018, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I would say if you are looking for a little excitement, development, AND some production next season, then Bamba no question. The length and personality of that guy will bring people to the seats without a doubt.

I don't see JJJ with that kind of moxy to get a rise out of people.

I think so as well, but I also think MPJ and Doncic would provide that too.

j0Shi · 06-13-2018, 06:12 AM

Another reason why I don't like picking someone like Porter is that he'll come in trying to prove a point. That's not ideal because clashing with NBA talent as rook is tough anyway, and much harder when you think you have to absolutely show off. From the guys that are likely available at #5, he remains my last choice by far.

Maybe we get lucky and Sac/Atl do something stupid like Trae Young or whatever, but I'm also still not opposed trading down if Doncic/Bamba and Ayton are all gone. If there's a nice package to #8-#10 that guarantees us major assets or a nice player and, say Mikal Bridges, why not? That would require the Mavs to read the draft pretty accurately though.

SMC0007 · 06-13-2018, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

Another reason why I don't like picking someone like Porter is that he'll come in trying to prove a point. That's not ideal because clashing with NBA talent as rook is tough anyway, and much harder when you think you have to absolutely show off. From the guys that are likely available at #5, he remains my last choice by far.

Maybe we get lucky and Sac/Atl do something stupid like Trae Young or whatever, but I'm also still not opposed trading down if Doncic/Bamba and Ayton are all gone. If there's a nice package to #8-#10 that guarantees us major assets or a nice player and, say Mikal Bridges, why not? That would require the Mavs to read the draft pretty accurately though.

All rookies try to come in and prove themselves to an extent. What almost none of them do is come in to an established team and lose their minds in some wild takeover. Hes gonna say that he wants to fit in and contribute as much as possible, especially here.

Also I think the quickest route to disappointment is the f.o. getting cute trying to guess the draft and trading down and get it wrong or even slightly miss.

We cant afford to walk away from this draft and say that it was anything but bad luck due to health or a huge upside gamble that didnt pay off.