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madape · 06-26-2006, 01:34 PM

I think James would be a great fit, but this tells me that the Mavs are preparing themselves to let Terry walk.

I think it's a mistake to let Daniels go. I have a feeling he's going to turn into something special for the right team. His upside is greater than James.

But it appears that the new roster strategy for the Mavs is to get under the luxury tax level. Dumping Terry and Daniels for Mike James might not help us win a championship, but it will help us cut salary. Will this be the third offseason in a row where the Mavs make a concerted attempt to strip down our roster?

EricaLubarsky · 06-26-2006, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by madape

I think James would be a great fit, but this tells me that the Mavs are preparing themselves to let Terry walk.

I think it's a mistake to let Daniels go. I have a feeling he's going to turn into something special for the right team. His upside is greater than James.

But it appears that the new roster strategy for the Mavs is to get under the luxury tax level. Dumping Terry and Daniels for Mike James might not help us win a championship, but it will help us cut salary. Will this be the third offseason in a row where the Mavs make a concerted attempt to strip down our roster?

and somehow after two seasons of salary dumps, we had the best season in franchise history.

If that trend continues, let the whole team be paid vet min.

madape · 06-26-2006, 01:41 PM

Just think where we'd be if Cuban was truly willing to invest in the team. It could be argued that he sold the Mavericks championship with his cost cutting moves. Of course, if you're satisfied with making it to the finals and losing, you're probably a pretty happy fan right now. Others of us wonder what could have been.

Eman · 06-26-2006, 01:49 PM

Daniels may become better than James, who knows? But right now, James is 20 points, 5.8 assists, better numbers than Daniels ever thought about. I love Daniels, think with playing time and his head screwed on straight, he could be great. But you gotta do this trade........it just makes us that much deeper.

mary · 06-26-2006, 02:03 PM

Maybe Marquis Daniels will be better somewhere else, but on this team he's another guard that lacks an outside shot.

In three years has Daniels made ANY improvement in this area? At all? I'm not sure what the stats bear out, but I would say the answer is probably no. I'm tired of having shooting guards that can't SHOOT.

And madape...if there is any meat to this rumor, I disagree that it means the Mavs are prepared to let Terry walk.

chumdawg · 06-26-2006, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by madape

I think James would be a great fit, but this tells me that the Mavs are preparing themselves to let Terry walk.

You know, I never even thought about just letting Terry walk, until you mentioned it. But it does make a lot of sense. If Terry wants ten million a year or something like that, it makes even more sense. James can probably do everything Terry does, if not more. (What did he average last year? 20 points?) And Daniels simply isn't offering much at this point.

Now THIS would be a money-saving move that makes sense to me, because the talent loss would be minimal, and you would save a lot of money. You are even better off if Harris makes strides next year. And for that matter, you can draft a guard on Wednesday.

If this deal is on the table, Terry ain't getting a big offer from the Mavs, I agree. I'm sure we could keep him around for $5 or $6MM per, though.

alexamenos · 06-26-2006, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by madape

It could be argued that he sold the Mavericks championship with his cost cutting moves.

I really don't think it's at all necessary to say of this proposition that "it could be argued" etc., etc... Not only could this proposition be argued, but it in fact it has been argued ad nauseam and to the point where most of the quasi-regulars, even late-comers such as myself, know the argument by rote.

So, let's all agree that had the 2006 Mavericks' roster comprised:

Dirk Nowitzki
Steve Nash
Michael Finley
Eric Dampier
Desagana Diop
Josh Howard
Adrian Griffin
Antoine Walker
Jerry Stackhouse
Raef Lafrentz
Marquis Daniels
Raja Bell
Devin Harris
Walt Williams
Antawn Jamison
Keith Van Horn
Juwan Howard
Jason Terry
Nick Van Exel
Sean Bradley
Popeye Jones
Antoin Rigadeu

then that indeed would have been a formidable team, albeit one with a very crowded bench.

Cheers

vjz · 06-26-2006, 03:35 PM

I am glad everyone here loves him... He is a great, great fit for Avery's system. He is an exceptional defender, and is perfect fit with JET and Stack.

Only down-side: Quetzalcoatl is right; Daniels has the potential to be much better than James.

nashtymavsfan13 · 06-26-2006, 03:57 PM

He has the better potential, but hasn't been improving as rapidly as we would hope. He's also not getting the playing time here. James is a perfect fit, so I'd definetly do this deal even though Daniels will go on and improve with the Raptors.

bobatundi · 06-26-2006, 04:23 PM

I love 'Quis, and will remain a fan of his no matter what uniform he puts on. What this deal comes down to for me is, will Avery actually play 'Quis? If yes, then we need to evaluate things like upside & age. If not, then he's just an expensive roster slot, and we have an opportunity to upgrade the PG position. A three-man backcourt of Terry, James & Harris all getting 30-35 minutes looks mighty good to me.

chumdawg · 06-26-2006, 06:12 PM

Honestly, I don't know how much upside Daniels still has. He's been around three years now, right? He might just remain what he is--which isn't necessarily all that bad but also isn't necessarily all that valuable.

Rhylan · 06-26-2006, 06:33 PM

Please go to nba.com and look at Mike James' career stats.

What on earth makes y'all think he could replace Terry? That's just nuts.

A backcourt rotation of Terry/Harris/James has no height - Harris is the tallest at 6'3" and change.

Rhylan · 06-26-2006, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

If this deal is on the table, Terry ain't getting a big offer from the Mavs, I agree. I'm sure we could keep him around for $5 or $6MM per, though.

He made $7.5M this year.

MavsFanFinley · 06-26-2006, 08:24 PM

New rumor, I guess.

http://draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1374

You have to scroll down a bit. It's under the who goes #1 poll.

All it says really is that Dallas is shopping him and that if Utah's #14 pick is available that is one option they have.

I say if it's available because it sounds like the Suns are thinking about trading both the #21 and #27 picks for Utah's #14.

mattyd · 06-26-2006, 08:34 PM

Good link...and that link mentions Jordan Farmer. The Yahoo! Sports mock draft has the Mavs taking Farmer.

GP · 06-26-2006, 09:13 PM

I was thinking that the Mavs could offer Terry a package of around 7 to 8 mil per year for 3 to 4 years. I think that would be fair. Any more and there was no reason not to sign Nash when he left. Terry is a pretty nice player but he is an undersized shooting guard that can't guard either points or shooting guards. He has good handles though he doesn't create well. Everyone thought all year long that ballhandling was the achilles heel of the Mavs. Keep everything the same and the Mavs will still be lacking from the guard spots. I don't think the Mavs had all of their success because those guys were so great. I think most of it had to do with the big German. This team needs better players. I like Quis but if they can get a solid player like James for him then it should be a done deal.

mattyd · 06-26-2006, 09:18 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moEW7...h=mike%20james

I'm bored, so here is some Mike James action.

dude1394 · 06-26-2006, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by madape

I think James would be a great fit, but this tells me that the Mavs are preparing themselves to let Terry walk.

I think it's a mistake to let Daniels go. I have a feeling he's going to turn into something special for the right team. His upside is greater than James.

But it appears that the new roster strategy for the Mavs is to get under the luxury tax level. Dumping Terry and Daniels for Mike James might not help us win a championship, but it will help us cut salary. Will this be the third offseason in a row where the Mavs make a concerted attempt to strip down our roster?

If daniels is going to be something special he'd damn well better hurry up about it. He was only barely better than kvh in the playoffs. He's got to get at least an 18foot shot for goodness sakes OR draw a lot more contact in the lane. I dont' see it.

Not sure about james but he sure seems to be a player that could come in and light it up sometimes, marquis can't do that at all anymore. He looks like a pretty solid 3pt shooter of which we are woefully lacking. I'd do it.

dude1394 · 06-26-2006, 10:46 PM

I'd almost like to see us do it just to see the houston fans blow more of a gasket than they normally do. Heh...

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How in the world can Dallas trade less for more again and again?

Daniels could barely see the floor during the playoffs and now they could trade him for James?

chumdawg · 06-26-2006, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhylan

Please go to nba.com and look at Mike James' career stats.

What on earth makes y'all think he could replace Terry? That's just nuts.

A backcourt rotation of Terry/Harris/James has no height - Harris is the tallest at 6'3" and change.

Rhylan, what is it about his stats that makes you think he CAN'T replace Terry? He had a better PER last year than Terry did. He was the 4th-best three-point shooter in the game last year. I guess that you are looking at his back history. But give the guy a break. He has bounced around a lot. He had a hell of a season last year. Maybe he is just getting it together?

I really couldn't care any less about his height. Terry doesn't do anything with his height, as best I can tell. (And I don't even know how tall Terry is, for that matter.) If the question is whether I want Terry for $8MM per year or James for five, I want James. Hell, if the question is who I want regardless of price, I think I want James. He's been great in the playoff games he's been in. His 12 points in 24 minutes rivals anything Terry has ever done, but he does it more consistently. Terry is so in and out.

If the Mavs could replace Terry with James, AND rid themselves of Daniels in the process, I'd be happy with it. Personally, I don't think either Terry or Daniels fit the mold of what the Mavs are trying to build here. And hey, if they could get something in a sign-and-trade for Terry, then the move would be a MAJOR coup.

dude1394 · 06-26-2006, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Rhylan, what is it about his stats that makes you think he CAN'T replace Terry? He had a better PER last year than Terry did. He was the 4th-best three-point shooter in the game last year. I guess that you are looking at his back history. But give the guy a break. He has bounced around a lot. He had a hell of a season last year. Maybe he is just getting it together?

I really couldn't care any less about his height. Terry doesn't do anything with his height, as best I can tell. (And I don't even know how tall Terry is, for that matter.) If the question is whether I want Terry for $8MM per year or James for five, I want James. Hell, if the question is who I want regardless of price, I think I want James. He's been great in the playoff games he's been in. His 12 points in 24 minutes rivals anything Terry has ever done, but he does it more consistently. Terry is so in and out.

If the Mavs could replace Terry with James, AND rid themselves of Daniels in the process, I'd be happy with it. Personally, I don't think either Terry or Daniels fit the mold of what the Mavs are trying to build here. And hey, if they could get something in a sign-and-trade for Terry, then the move would be a MAJOR coup.

James seems pretty dang studly to me.

ocelot_ark · 06-27-2006, 12:09 AM

I don't see the fascination with Daniels. He's a non factor. He had ONE good game in the playoffs and that game just happened to be the most important of the season. That ONE game has got everyone's hopes up. If Quis was a viable option, he'd be getting time. Right now, he's a fairly attractive puzzle piece to a number of teams. He gives the mavs nothing. If you can sucker some team into trading a draft pick that nets you Ronnie Brewer, you BETTER make that deal. Brewer is an unbelievable defender. He's a slasher. BUT - even though his jumper is messed up, it's also got promise. Quis' jumper just doesn't show promise to me.

So basically, you trade a guy who gives you nothing for a guy who is already better defensively, has better court vision, and has more potential.

As for Terry/James. I think they're pretty similar. I don't think either one is anything CLOSE to being a pure point guard. If we go into next season with the same "type" playmaker, I see no better outcome. If we can get him for cheap, SURE! I like his game. He's tough. He can hit open 3's. That simple fact makes him a valuable commodity for this team's direction. BUT, he's not going to get you easy baskets in the playoffs. There are very few natural PG's in this league. I would LOVE to have someone like TJ Ford or Heinrick. Give me one of those guys, or someone similar, and all the sudden the offensive burden on Dirk is just a LITTLE bit lighter. I think getting a playmaker at PG is very important right now.

Quetzalcoatl · 06-27-2006, 04:44 AM

We won't go anywhere with James next year.

Nevertheless, I we are going to trade Daniels, I would prefer the Utah (with the 14th pick) option.

nashtymavsfan13 · 06-27-2006, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Personally, I don't think either Terry or Daniels fit the mold of what the Mavs are trying to build here. And hey, if they could get something in a sign-and-trade for Terry, then the move would be a MAJOR coup.

Avery has said many times that Terry fits the type of play he wants the Mavs to play.

nashtymavsfan13 · 06-27-2006, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Quetzalcoatl

We won't go anywhere with James next year.

Nevertheless, I we are going to trade Daniels, I would prefer the Utah (with the 14th pick) option.

If we had both Terry and James we would definetly go somewhere, and Daniels is a small price to pay for getting James. That being said, if we do resign Terry and Cubes trades Daniels for the #14, who would we pick?

some-dude · 06-27-2006, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by nashtymavsfan13

If we had both Terry and James we would definetly go somewhere, and Daniels is a small price to pay for getting James. That being said, if we do resign Terry and Cubes trades Daniels for the #14, who would we pick?

Utah isn't gonna trade the #14 for Daniels.

With talk of Redick's supposed back problems they feel certan he will drop out of the lottery. In that case there's a big chance Utah is trading #14 pick to the Suns for #21 and #27 pick in hopes that can still get Redick and another player at 27.

Five-ofan · 06-27-2006, 01:42 PM

I have never understood that either about Jet fitting what avery wants from the team. He almost never drives, he cant defend, and hes not much of a passer for a pg. That is pretty much the opposite of what avery wants from everyone else. Dont get me wrong i love jet, its hard not to when you see any of his interviews but the guy isnt all world or anything.

nashtymavsfan13 · 06-27-2006, 02:10 PM

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I have never understood that either about Jet fitting what avery wants from the team. He almost never drives, he cant defend, and hes not much of a passer for a pg. That is pretty much the opposite of what avery wants from everyone else. Dont get me wrong i love jet, its hard not to when you see any of his interviews but the guy isnt all world or anything.

Yeah, I don't really understand it either, but he's clicked well with Avery and Dirk.

fluid.forty.one · 07-03-2006, 11:13 PM

Apparently Houston just offered James MLE.

nashtymavsfan13 · 07-04-2006, 01:13 AM

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Apparently Houston just offered James MLE.

Yeah, but so have we. It might come down to who will offer more in a sign and trade.

dalmations202 · 07-04-2006, 08:14 AM

I think Minnesota is in the running now as well, and that might be a better fit for James than Houston or Dallas.

nashtymavsfan13 · 07-04-2006, 01:14 PM

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I think Minnesota is in the running now as well, and that might be a better fit for James than Houston or Dallas.

Yeah, that's possible. His agent said 5 or 6 teams are after him, but you know how agent's can stretch the truth

fluid.forty.one · 07-04-2006, 01:17 PM

If I was getting the exact same offer from minny, houston, and dallas... it's a no brainer.

Welcome to the Mavs James.

Dooby · 07-04-2006, 01:56 PM

Then it could come down to playing time, which could hurt the Mavs' chances.

fluid.forty.one · 07-04-2006, 02:38 PM

If he is going to pick a few minutes playing time over the chance to win it all, then he doesn't belong here.

nashtymavsfan13 · 07-04-2006, 02:42 PM

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Then it could come down to playing time, which could hurt the Mavs' chances.

A 31 year old vet will be looking for a ring. The Mavs are his best shot. fluid said it well, he will choose the team with the best shot at a title. He'll come to Dallas.

fluid.forty.one · 07-04-2006, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by nashtymavsfan13

A 31 year old vet will be looking for a ring. The Mavs are his best shot. fluid said it well, he will choose the team with the best shot at a title. He'll come to Dallas.

Especially if all the prices are the same. If you get the same money to be on a championship team, or a lottery team, which are you going to choose? I don't care if I played 1 minute a game, I'm still going to Dallas.

nashtymavsfan13 · 07-04-2006, 02:52 PM

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Especially if all the prices are the same. If you get the same money to be on a championship team, or a lottery team, which are you going to choose? I don't care if I played 1 minute a game, I'm still going to Dallas.

Well, that's basically true. He's not going to choose going to Dallas and playing 1 minute a game over Houston where he'll play 30+.

In this case though, the prices are the same, he'll get good PT in all three places, so he will choose the place with the best shot at a title.

Murphy3 · 07-04-2006, 05:11 PM

Well, if the Mavs have a three man rotation at the 1-2 spot, their should be plenty of minutes to go around.

fluid.forty.one · 07-04-2006, 06:12 PM

Wouldn't it be 5-man, even without ager? James/Harris/Terry/Stack/Griffin