GDT: Dallas Mavericks (32-19) @ Denver (34-17)

[jthig32]

I assume Butler doesn't fit that criteria because you don't consider him a perimeter player? I certainly consider him a creator and finisher, as he's historically been a good passer.

The issue for me comes at the defensive end, but at least you already have two very flexible wing defenders in Marion and Kidd. I dunno, maybe it could work. I have my doubts.

I would certainly much, much, much rather have Martin. But I really don't think the Kings are moving Martin for pure salary relief. Heck they didn't even go after pure salary relief last year when they traded Miller and Salmons.

I don't really hold out much hope on the Martin front, at this point.

[Flacolaco]

I guess I'm kind of glad I didn't get to see any of this game.

[kg_veteran]

Originally Posted by jthig32

I assume Butler doesn't fit that criteria because you don't consider him a perimeter player? I certainly consider him a creator and finisher, as he's historically been a good passer.

The issue for me comes at the defensive end, but at least you already have two very flexible wing defenders in Marion and Kidd. I dunno, maybe it could work. I have my doubts.

I would certainly much, much, much rather have Martin. But I really don't think the Kings are moving Martin for pure salary relief. Heck they didn't even go after pure salary relief last year when they traded Miller and Salmons.

I don't really hold out much hope on the Martin front, at this point.

I don't hold out much hope for Martin, either.

As for defense, why are we talking about Marion and Kidd? It's more like Terry and Kidd, at least down the stretch. You need somebody out there who can replace Terry. I don't have illusions that Martin is a good defender, but at least he has size. Terry kills you on defense. Kills you. His inability to guard anybody or even help adequately in the team defensive scheme breaks the entire defense down. Until and unless you acquire somebody that will effectively put Terry on the bench down the stretch, this team is in trouble.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by kg_veteran

I don't hold out much hope for Martin, either.

As for defense, why are we talking about Marion and Kidd? It's more like Terry and Kidd, at least down the stretch. You need somebody out there who can replace Terry. I don't have illusions that Martin is a good defender, but at least he has size. Terry kills you on defense. Kills you. His inability to guard anybody or even help adequately in the team defensive scheme breaks the entire defense down. Until and unless you acquire somebody that will effectively put Terry on the bench down the stretch, this team is in trouble.

Well, my assumption is that if the Mavs are acquiring Butler it's to play him with Marion and Kidd. If they're not then I don't really see the point.

I was pondering on how the Mavs could find a way to make that work. And I think they probably could in some match ups. Marion is quick enough to guard shooting guards, so maybe he plays the role of shooting guard on defense, allowing Caron to guard small forwards.

[kg_veteran]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Well, my assumption is that if the Mavs are acquiring Butler it's to play him with Marion and Kidd. If they're not then I don't really see the point.

I was pondering on how the Mavs could find a way to make that work. And I think they probably could in some match ups. Marion is quick enough to guard shooting guards, so maybe he plays the role of shooting guard on defense, allowing Caron to guard small forwards.

IF they're going to do this, then the idea of Butler makes a bit more sense. With Kidd, Marion, and Butler on the perimeter, you'd only have trouble with really quick PGs, which leads you back to a solid team defensive scheme and a C in the middle to protect the rim. Speaking of which, if you had a Dampier/Haywood combo, I think you could protect the rim most of the time.

One other thing on Butler. Do you think this is all a moot discussion in light of the Yahoo rumor that has him going to Houston?

[Windmill360]

butler and heywood are going to the rockets anyway

[kg_veteran]

Originally Posted by Windmill360

butler and heywood are going to the rockets anyway

Looks that way.

[jthig32]

Has there been anything on the Houston rumor since this?

All that article says is they're in discussions. And it's a three team deal where the parties listed so far don't even start to work under the cap.

Wojnarowski has been really plugged in to the trade market for a while now, so I certainly wouldn't discount it. But I certainly wouldn't consider it even likely, at this point.

I'd still put money on us getting Butler over Martin, at this point in time.

[kg_veteran]

If I were putting money on anything, I'd be betting on nothing happening.

[jthig32]

That's definitely always the safe bet. But I feel pretty confident that Josh is not going to be on this team after the trade deadline.

[kg_veteran]

I'll take the bet. How about this? If the Mavs make a trade, I'll change my avatar to anything you want that isn't vulgar. If the Mavs don't make a trade, I will change your avatar to anything that I want that isn't vulgar.

NOTE: If they don't make a trade, my avatar will be changing, too...

[LonghornDub]

I'm gonna continue to play the odds and say that Howard is still a Mav after the trade deadline.

[Dirkadirkastan]

Oh, a deal's going down, no question.

[SMC0007]

The avatar deal or josh deal?

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by kg_veteran

I'll take the bet. How about this? If the Mavs make a trade, I'll change my avatar to anything you want that isn't vulgar. If the Mavs don't make a trade, I will change your avatar to anything that I want that isn't vulgar.

NOTE: If they don't make a trade, my avatar will be changing, too...

Done.

[Dirkadirkastan]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

The avatar deal or josh deal?

Shut up, squirt.

[kg_veteran]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Done.

Cool. Man, I hope you're the one picking my new avatar...

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

Shut up, squirt.

Why don't you say that to my face.

[kg_veteran]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Why don't you say that to my face.

ROFL!

Grow up.

[SMC0007]

uh, why don't you too say that to my face.

[kg_veteran]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

uh, why don't you too say that to my face.

Knew that was coming...

[Dirkadirkastan]

The word "deal" generally refers to an exchange, not a wager.

[Bayliss]

Let's just hope the Mavs get a good basketball player and not a room full of barnyard animals....

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

The word "deal" generally refers to an exchange, not a wager.