STD (@#$show thread daily): Mavs suckage

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by BPo001

I worry because they have 2 elite defenders in PG and Kawai plus several players who can easily go off for 20+ on any given night. Add in that they have 3 7 footers, so they always have bigs to match with Gafford/Lively. Really hoping the Mavs can at least secure home court, but they are running out of time.

Yea. Pg and kl are tough to handle

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Unfortunately for us, I think the Clippers are getting hot again at the right time. I do think the Mavs can beat them, but it won't be a cakewalk.

I can?t imagine a single fan thinking this will be easy. 6-7 games minimum and I?m not sure Mavs win even though they?ve looked amazing.

[Melonhead]

Clippers look just fine. And this is without Kawhi.

[Melonhead]

If Lively can?t go, it?s going to be a long series hoping Maxi can give us 25-30 for a 7 game series. He can give us one good game offensively, and probably four good ones defensively.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

F the Clippers. There is no easy path in the west. Even if we lost to them, we will make sure they pay for it...

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

F the Clippers. There is no easy path in the west. Even if we lost to them, we will make sure they pay for it...

I'd hate to see the mavs lose to them for the 3rd time though.

That would be a tough pill to swallow especially with a roster like this year ready to compete

Truth be told I think Denver, OKC and Minnesota are more favorable matchups for Dallas.

I just don't think Kawhi can be handled by any of our wings.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

I'd hate to see the mavs lose to them for the 3rd time though.

That would be a tough pill to swallow especially with a roster like this year ready to compete

Truth be told I think Denver, OKC and Minnesota are more favorable matchups for Dallas.

I just don't think Kawhi can be handled by any of our wings.

Eh, any pill is hard to swallow when you lose. Imagine losing to OKC with the Shai stans...

Again though, you'll have to play better teams as you advance anyway. If we can beat the Clippers, then we'll be in good position to beat anyone.

It just doesn't make sense to say it's a tough pill to swallow when we're ready to compete if you're going to lose in the first round.

[Thespiralgoeson]

For whatever its worth, the Clippers have not been good defensively at all lately, even though they've been winning. Over the last 10 games, they're ranked 25th. Mavs btw are 1st.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

For whatever its worth, the Clippers have not been good defensively at all lately, even though they've been winning. Over the last 10 games, they're ranked 25th. Mavs btw are 1st.

Their lack of defense is letting the Suns back in

From +35 to +10

Kinda excited to see how it ends

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Again, if you want to win it all, then you're playing teams like Denver and Celtics. Can't let the Clippers intimidate you.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Again, if you want to win it all, then you're playing teams like Denver and Celtics. Can't let the Clippers intimidate you.

Exactly. Besides, this kind of shit is good for the NBA. We need rivalries. Bring on the Clippers. The Mavs owe them some serious payback. And Luka is always god tier against them. Those previous series had no business going 6 and 7 games. Luka singlehandedly made those series competitive. Now that Luka has a supporting cast, watch out.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

I mean, losing sucks no matter what, but everything changed with the deadline trades. There are no "we might lose Luka" scenarios in the short term anymore.

No real or glaring holes and no big FA drama. That does blunt a potential playoff loss a bit.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I mean, losing sucks no matter what, but everything changed with the deadline trades. There are no "we might lose Luka" scenarios in the short term anymore.

No real or glaring holes and no big FA drama. That does blunt a potential playoff loss a bit.

Good point. Its just fans that have gone through the downs with Mavs and Dirk, then getting put out by Clips makes some of us nervous. But yes, we have to be ready for everyone. 2011 Mavs had one of the toughest routes to a championship ever.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Good point. Its just fans that have gone through the downs with Mavs and Dirk, then getting put out by Clips makes some of us nervous. But yes, we have to be ready for everyone. 2011 Mavs had one of the toughest routes to a championship ever.

This team is a well-oiled machine right now though, so I'm not really afraid of playing anyone.

And it's amazing that Luka looked like his knees were going to fall off against Houston and last night looked like a different player.

[Melonhead]

Shaq on his bullshit ALWAYS shitting on Luka. He literally brought up Ginobli as more skillful god damn he?s such a bitch

Edit: this was in response to Jamal Crawford saying Luka Kyrie is the most skilled duo ever.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Shaq on his bullshit ALWAYS shitting on Luka. He literally brought up Ginobli as more skillful god damn he?s such a bitch

What, you don't remember that time Ginobili averaged a 30 point near triple double and made 5 straight all-nba first teams?

[Melonhead]

Man am I glad we don?t have to see the warriors in a play in or a series

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Man am I glad we don?t have to see the warriors in a play in or a series

That?s what I?m saying. I think we could take them in 7, but a one-game series? Absolutely don?t want that. The NBA this year is about anarchy. If the Warriors just make everything, there's nothing we can do and would be facing being bumped from the playoffs. Plus champs are statistically the team that is freshest (fewest games, most rest). Adding a couple of games won't do us any favors.

Direct to the playoffs is the best bet. No chance to get ganked. We get a week off so Luka can heal his legs which have been sore lately. Lively and Green can become available.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Man am I glad we don?t have to see the warriors in a play in or a series

Yep I said this a week ago doing that mini series vs them

They are tough matchup for Dallas because they seem to get guys like Wiggins and Paul play their basketball vs Dallas.

[EricaLubarsky]

The Ringer: ?The Dallas Mavericks are the losers of the trade deadline.?

Top 5 team records since the trade deadline:

1: Celtics (23-5)
2: Dallas Mavericks (21-7) ‼️
3: Nuggets (20-8)
4: Timberwolves (20-8)
5: Thunder (19-9)

[EricaLubarsky]

Standings update:

4th - Clippers with HCA
Mavs 3-0, Clips go 0-3 (unlikely. Clips hold the tiebreaker after going 2-1 against us)

5th - Clippers without HCA
one Pelicans loss or one Mavs win

6th - OKC without HCA
Mavs go 0-3, Pels go 3-0 (Pels play Kings, Warriors, and Lakers so....not likely)

Play-in - ???
We clinched a playoff berth with a Mavs win and Suns loss. Worst we can do is tie the Suns for 7th, but we hold the tie-breaker so we'd be bumped to 6th and they'd have 7th.

[EricaLubarsky]

One Mavs win or one Pelicans loss guarantees the Clips. With the Pels playing the Warriors, Kings, and Lakers, I would prepare for a Clippers matchup.

Now the real question is Kawhi having legitimate health issues, or is he resting to come out fresh? A redhot Clippers team (4-straight without him) that adds Kawhi could be a tough out.

Then again, people were afraid of the Lakers, Thunder, and Heat and we beat all of them in 2011. Spurs were our Clippers and we finally beat them in 2006 after being knocked out of the playoffs by them more than once.

I still stand by the idea that OKC is an easier out, but adversity builds chemistry and I'd rather have that rush of finally beating the Clippers than getting overly cocky after an easy Thunder series.

[saclare]

Fuck the Clippers, it's Luka's time to turn that corner with a better supporting cast. Luka will go nuclear with Kyrie turning it up. Just need our role players to play within themselves unless it obvious they've got it going (THJ, PJ, etc.). LOVE Exum for his understanding of this concept.

That extra rest is crucial. I get the argument against it and how it can harm professionals every now and then, but Luka is banged up, Kyrie I'm sure could use a little rest, and then Lively and Green can hopefully mend. Someone said it yesterday, but having Kyrie blunts any negative impact of rest as I think he will keep the locker room focused.

Heard on the radio this morning, but they said this is the first time Kyrie is kind of the unquestioned leader of a team. Luka is the guy, no doubt about it. But his leadership has not always been up to par (loafing, complaining, body language, etc.), so the natural marriage of this duo has finally fallen into a great spot. I think it speaks volumes when you hear teammates talk about both of these guys this season, and especially since the deadline.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by saclare

Heard on the radio this morning, but they said this is the first time Kyrie is kind of the unquestioned leader of a team. Luka is the guy, no doubt about it. But his leadership has not always been up to par (loafing, complaining, body language, etc.), so the natural marriage of this duo has finally fallen into a great spot. I think it speaks volumes when you hear teammates talk about both of these guys this season, and especially since the deadline.

I'd like to think that Luka has been a positive influence on Kyrie as well. Times have been so good lately that it's hard to remember that only a few short months ago, it was Kyrie, not Luka, who was believed by most (myself included) to be an unemployable lunatic and malcontent.

For whatever reason, Luka and Kyrie seem to bring out the best in each other. I don't quite understand it, but I sure as hell am not complaining.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

I'd like to think that Luka has been a positive influence on Kyrie as well. Times have been so good lately that it's hard to remember that only a few short months ago, it was Kyrie, not Luka, who was believed by most (myself included) to be an unemployable lunatic and malcontent.

For whatever reason, Luka and Kyrie seem to bring out the best in each other. I don't quite understand it, but I sure as hell am not complaining.

Like I said, it appears to be a perfect marriage of egos and talent, which takes a lot from both parties and perspectives.

For what it's worth, I never bought into the Kyrie BS as it was completely media driven and pretty much got obnoxious even before it wasn't even an idea we could make a move for him. One of the more misunderstood dudes in a minute for the NBA where anything negative seems to be from all other places other than coaches and players. They all seem to speak the world of him, and at a minimum, the Mavs and his current teammates are working just fine with him.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by saclare

Like I said, it appears to be a perfect marriage of egos and talent, which takes a lot from both parties and perspectives.

For what it's worth, I never bought into the Kyrie BS as it was completely media driven and pretty much got obnoxious even before it wasn't even an idea we could make a move for him. One of the more misunderstood dudes in a minute for the NBA where anything negative seems to be from all other places other than coaches and players. They all seem to speak the world of him, and at a minimum, the Mavs and his current teammates are working just fine with him.

I honestly don't think it was completely media driven. Partially media driven, sure. But honestly, I think the negative perception of Kyrie was pretty justified. He burned bridges in three consecutive places in quite spectacular fashion, missed a shitload of games, and alienated a hell of a lot of people. The antivaxx stuff in particular I honestly think is indefensible and I have zero sympathy for. I have great disdain for anti-science and anti-intellectual thinking, and Kyrie made himself the posterchild for that pseudoscientific garbage. Covid-19 has killed over 1 million Americans, and hundreds of thousands of those deaths were preventable. Kyrie earned his negative reputation.

I'll agree that he was misunderstood in one very specific and crucially important area- the respect he commands from other players around the league. That matters a great deal.

Whatever the case, this has been the absolute best case scenario with him, and I'm thrilled about it.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

I honestly don't think it was completely media driven. Partially media driven, sure. But honestly, I think the negative perception of Kyrie was pretty justified. He burned bridges in three consecutive places in quite spectacular fashion, missed a shitload of games, and alienated a hell of a lot of people. The antivaxx stuff in particular I honestly think is indefensible and I have zero sympathy for. I have great disdain for anti-science and anti-intellectual thinking, and Kyrie made himself the posterchild for that pseudoscientific garbage. Covid-19 has killed over 1 million Americans, and hundreds of thousands of those deaths were preventable. Kyrie earned his negative reputation.

I'll agree that he was misunderstood in one very specific and crucially important area- the respect he commands from other players around the league. That matters a great deal.

Whatever the case, this has been the absolute best case scenario with him, and I'm thrilled about it.

Ehhhh there's more to unpack here, but I'll just say I'm envious of Kyrie and his decision not to get the jab. Time will tell, Kyrie didn't force his views on anyone, people took his stance and ran with their own narratives. He simply didn't want an unproven vaccine that was rushed to the public (edit: not to be construed, this was out of necessity in the time we were dealing with the disease, not going full anti-vax on y'all) when he's the 1% of 1% in terms of top health and care for your body. He made his own choice, something I couldn't do or would have been forced to watch the birth of my firstborn via Zoom or some other shit. A LOT to unpack with Covid as a singular response. In fact, this post furthers the narrative being driven by others as Kyrie has stated multiple times why he didn't want the shot all while explicitly saying he's not anti-vaccine.

The other stuff can be said of the players who have done the same...KD, Harden, prob Dame next, list goes on...and I really don't believe he is truly 100% at fault, certainly not for the Nets exit. As someone else said, that owner was a jackass the entire time and the NYC lockdown/vax rules have since been mocked repeatedly.

Then there's the Amazon movie thing and flat earth, I've got nothing for those as I think them to be tepid at worst and he's acknowledged fault.

[Melonhead]

Notice how Luka as he?s gotten closer with Kyrie has cut out a lot of the bullshit. It?s been awhile since he?s had a tech, body language isn?t as bad (altho PJ Gaff and Exum make a difference)

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Yeah, it wasn't just media driven. The owner of the Nets made to guy basically do a GOT style walk of shame to make up for liking something on Amazon or some bs.

Here is some easy advice: Never shit on your superstar. Ever.

[Melonhead]

Lively has already been ruled out rest of regular season.

At this point I don?t expect him back for playoffs.

I can?t believe this shit. It will make a difference in a series. Maxi can?t hold up unfortunately. Hes good but will get exposed over long periods.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Lively has already been ruled out rest of regular season.

At this point I don?t expect him back for playoffs.

I can?t believe this shit. It will make a difference in a series. Maxi can?t hold up unfortunately. Hes good but will get exposed over long periods.

Ugh, I really, really hope he is back for the playoffs. Losing Lively is a big deal.

[G-Man]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Lively has already been ruled out rest of regular season.

At this point I don?t expect him back for playoffs.

I can?t believe this shit. It will make a difference in a series. Maxi can?t hold up unfortunately. Hes good but will get exposed over long periods.

Is this just your speculation, or do you have some facts I can't find.

My searches just show updates that are 7 days old, all saying Lively could be back before the season ends. With all the remaining games basically useless, there is no reason to rush him back to play in meaningless games. But he has to be in very bad shape not to play 2 weeks from now.

So again, facts or just speculation? A link here would be great.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by G-Man

Is this just your speculation, or do you have some facts I can't find.

My searches just show updates that are 7 days old, all saying Lively could be back before the season ends. With all the remaining games basically useless, there is no reason to rush him back to play in meaningless games. But he has to be in very bad shape not to play 2 weeks from now.

So again, facts or just speculation? A link here would be great.

sorry Kidd announced about 45 min ago hes out for rest of regular season.

My speculation is that we wont see him for playoffs either.

[blessednegr0]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

sorry Kidd announced about 45 min ago hes out for rest of regular season.

My speculation is that we wont see him for playoffs either.

That's a big blow. Hopefully we get him back.

[Melonhead]

In other news JOSH GREEN IS PLAYING tonight.

[EricaLubarsky]

Sounds like Kidd wasn?t too upset or concerned. The rest of the season sounds really bad. ?Hes out until at least Monday? sounds way less bad.

I?m still hopeful he?ll play game 1 and Kidd didn?t rule that out

[EricaLubarsky]

Mavs are allergic to the first quarter

[EricaLubarsky]

Luka goes flamethrower

[EricaLubarsky]

I?d love if just one game the Mavs wouldn?t start off letting teams shoot 80%

[EricaLubarsky]

Refs can?t allow Luka to do his thing