Mavs Pursuing Wallace - Page 2 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

FineCubanCigar · 07-03-2007, 02:29 PM

Well with Lewis signing that contract our BEST HOPE is that the Bobcats go cheap and S&T him because his value is now set well above 10 million a year with that insane Lewis contract. What do we really have to offer MJ though?

peruna11 · 07-03-2007, 03:48 PM

Ric Bucher was on the Hot List and said there are 4 to 5 teams interested in Wallace. Then he says the Mavericks are hot after wallace and are willing to do a sign and trade for him.

bobatundi · 07-03-2007, 03:55 PM

It's not just the Mavs who have to be willing...

alby · 07-03-2007, 04:59 PM

5 year 55 million is what I see for Gerald Wallace.
(NBA Finals MVP Billups is getting 5 year 60 million from Detroit)

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Jason Terry is currently making:
8,287,500
9,075,000
9,862,500
10,650,000
11,437,500

purplefrog · 07-03-2007, 05:21 PM

If the Bobcats spend that kind of money on Wallace, what happens to Morrison??? With both Wallace and Richardson it seems like there is no place for him.

alby · 07-03-2007, 05:24 PM

exactly.....

that's what I'm saying

bobatundi · 07-03-2007, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by purplefrog

If the Bobcats spend that kind of money on Wallace, what happens to Morrison??? With both Wallace and Richardson it seems like there is no place for him.

He continues to suck, they don't pick up his option, and he's playing in Europe in two years.

rmacomic · 07-03-2007, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bobatundi

He continues to suck, they don't pick up his option, and he's playing in Europe in two years.

Is it ok to cry in Europe?

Male30Dan · 07-03-2007, 09:08 PM

I would assume so RMA... They definitely have the whine down.

atrewsfan · 07-04-2007, 10:04 AM

Why not forgo signing Stackhouse and use the dough that would have gone to him on Wallace? Wallace is younger and a better defender/rebounder, etc. Stick him at SF and move Howard to SG and combined with Harris we'd end up with one of the best perimeter D's in the league. We wouldn't miss Stackhouse's scoring off the bench at all since we'd have Terry as our 6th-man.

bobatundi · 07-04-2007, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Male26Dan

I would assume so RMA... They definitely have the whine down.

He could go to France and compare notes with Tariq Abdul-Wahad--one of the biggest whiners around.

bernardos70 · 07-04-2007, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by atrewsfan

Why not forgo signing Stackhouse and use the dough that would have gone to him on Wallace? Wallace is younger and a better defender/rebounder, etc. Stick him at SF and move Howard to SG and combined with Harris we'd end up with one of the best perimeter D's in the league. We wouldn't miss Stackhouse's scoring off the bench at all since we'd have Terry as our 6th-man.

Doesn't work like that. The only reason we can pay Stackhouse money over the salary cap is because he was already with the Mavericks. The same money cannot be used to sign a free agent coming from another team.

FineCubanCigar · 07-04-2007, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by atrewsfan

Why not forgo signing Stackhouse and use the dough that would have gone to him on Wallace? Wallace is younger and a better defender/rebounder, etc. Stick him at SF and move Howard to SG and combined with Harris we'd end up with one of the best perimeter D's in the league. We wouldn't miss Stackhouse's scoring off the bench at all since we'd have Terry as our 6th-man.

because we are over the cap, and signing stack is better than him leaving for nothing. *evil nash flashback*

EricaLubarsky · 07-04-2007, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by purplefrog

If the Bobcats spend that kind of money on Wallace, what happens to Morrison??? With both Wallace and Richardson it seems like there is no place for him.

Morrison is a short Fazekas that the Cats drafted in the lottery. What a joke.

dude1394 · 07-04-2007, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by FineCubanCigar

because we are over the cap, and signing stack is better than him leaving for nothing. *evil nash flashback*

I agree with this. Actually in thinking about the nash deal the other day I realized that we were really stupid not to match and then trade him away with another player/package.

You NEVER let a talent go for nothing, NEVER imo. Even if nash didn't put up MVP-like numbers he still would have been able to be traded even if it were 80cents on the dollar.

Really stupid of the mavs to not get something out of that.

atrewsfan · 07-04-2007, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bernardos70

Doesn't work like that. The only reason we can pay Stackhouse money over the salary cap is because he was already with the Mavericks. The same money cannot be used to sign a free agent coming from another team.

Ah I see thanks. I defer to the expert

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purplefrog · 07-04-2007, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bobatundi

He continues to suck, they don't pick up his option, and he's playing in Europe in two years.

Thanks. I'm glad we got that cleared up.

MascisMan · 07-05-2007, 12:18 PM

We have heard that the Mavs really want Wallace. We have also heard rumors that the Mavs want KG (farfetched). Obviously these are totally fantasies.

However is it possible that the Mavs want Wallace so bad because it allows them to trade away Howard (with others-Terry/Harris?) in a deal for KG? We have also heard about the interest in James Posey (possible replacement for Terry/Harris?)...thought I would stir the pot a bit and get the 'bank breakers' out in full force.

UPDATE: Today on the Ticket Cuban said that the Mavs are interested in KG and if Minnesota swung the right deal then we would trade for him.

Dr.Zoidberg · 07-08-2007, 10:38 AM

From the Gaston Gazette:

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And those around the Bobcats expect to re-sign Gerald Wallace very soon to a contract worth more than $60 million.

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dude1394 · 07-08-2007, 11:17 AM

I would expect (and have expected) them to re-sign him no matter what it took. They would be complete idiots to do so.

I'm waiting for the next mavs fan to rag on Cuban (of course) for not getting this done. Silly, but expected.

Stranger · 07-08-2007, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr.Zoidberg

From the Gaston Gazette:

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And those around the Bobcats expect to re-sign Gerald Wallace very soon to a contract worth more than $60 million.

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I hope this will allow us to concentrate on more realistic options, like Des Mason.

alby · 07-08-2007, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MascisMan

We have heard that the Mavs really want Wallace. We have also heard rumors that the Mavs want KG (farfetched). Obviously these are totally fantasies.

However is it possible that the Mavs want Wallace so bad because it allows them to trade away Howard (with others-Terry/Harris?) in a deal for KG? We have also heard about the interest in James Posey (possible replacement for Terry/Harris?)...thought I would stir the pot a bit and get the 'bank breakers' out in full force.

UPDATE: Today on the Ticket Cuban said that the Mavs are interested in KG and if Minnesota swung the right deal then we would trade for him.

James Posey as a replacement for Terry/Harris??? Huh?

alby · 07-08-2007, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Stranger

I hope this will allow us to concentrate on more realistic options, like Des Mason.

If Desmond Mason means we can get a shooter as well, then I'm all for that. But just Desmond Mason alone isn't going to cut it for me.

In his last three seasons, he has shot a total of 2-14 on 3-pointers. Talk about playing off your man and daring him to shoot.

That is two 3-pointers in 225 games while averaging 35 minutes a night.

Mavsin08 · 07-08-2007, 02:29 PM

I'm still not giving up hope, Donnie and Cuban do a pretty good job when it comes to getting players they want. I still am all for going and getting Gerald Wallace. Perfect fit IMO

Stranger · 07-08-2007, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by alby

If Desmond Mason means we can get a shooter as well, then I'm all for that. But just Desmond Mason alone isn't going to cut it for me.

In his last three seasons, he has shot a total of 2-14 on 3-pointers. Talk about playing off your man and daring him to shoot.

That is two 3-pointers in 225 games while averaging 35 minutes a night.

I agree--I would only target Mason if we are planning on keeping Terry. If not, I would probably go after Barnes or somebody else with a 3 point shot.

MascisMan · 07-09-2007, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by alby

James Posey as a replacement for Terry/Harris??? Huh?

If Terry were to be moved in a deal for KG....

bradleywillcrushyou44 · 07-09-2007, 11:45 AM

Those around the Bobcats expect to re-sign Gerald Wallace very soon to a contract worth more than $60 million, the Charlotte Observer is reporting.

Wallace, who finished the season strong for Charlotte, averaged 18.1ppg, 7.2rpg and 2.6apg in 2006/07.

alby · 07-09-2007, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MascisMan

If Terry were to be moved in a deal for KG....

So James Posey would take over our point guard duties? and become the primary ball handler for the team? Do you even know who James Posey is?

alby · 07-09-2007, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bradleywillcrushyou44

Those around the Bobcats expect to re-sign Gerald Wallace very soon to a contract worth more than $60 million, the Charlotte Observer is reporting.

Wallace, who finished the season strong for Charlotte, averaged 18.1ppg, 7.2rpg and 2.6apg in 2006/07.

The only way we can get him is after they re-sign him, so hurry up MJ. But, there's no way we would acquire him if his deal is worth more than 60 million dollars. *yikes

FineCubanCigar · 07-09-2007, 02:08 PM

a 5 year 60 mil contract would be going rate for a kid like this, and a better value signing by far than Lewis IMHO.

Silk Smoov · 07-09-2007, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DelNegro

If Wallace just decides that he just has to be a Mav and would be willing to take the MLE to be one then that might force Charlotte's hand into taking a deal for Terry or whomever. But I don't think that's the case. Wallace is probably just looking for a payday and as long as the Bobcats pony up market value he'll just re-sign there.

And agreed that MJ is a crappy GM.

Dont forget we could combine the exceptions to sign one player as well. Could that be enough to draw Wallace I way. I think we could get about 8 million this year for both exceptions from the estimates that is going around. I think the MLE will be around 6 million this year.

Henry_VIII · 07-09-2007, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Silk Smoov

Dont forget we could combine the exceptions to sign one player as well. Could that be enough to draw Wallace I way. I think we could get about 8 million this year for both exceptions from the estimates that is going around. I think the MLE will be around 6 million this year.

According to this, you cannot combine exceptionss. Do you have information to the contrary?

MascisMan · 07-09-2007, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by alby

So James Posey would take over our point guard duties? and become the primary ball handler for the team? Do you even know who James Posey is?

James Posey would take over SG duties for Terry (assuming Harris isn't moved). If Harris would be moved to Minny instead of Terry, then Terry takes over point and Posey becomes the SG. Either way Posey is SG.

Yes I know who Posey is.

DelNegro · 07-09-2007, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Silk Smoov

Dont forget we could combine the exceptions to sign one player as well. Could that be enough to draw Wallace I way. I think we could get about 8 million this year for both exceptions from the estimates that is going around. I think the MLE will be around 6 million this year.

Henry is right. You can't combine a trade exception with the MLE to offer a bigger contract. The MLE would be the best the Mavs could offer. Assuming a $6 mil MLE that would work out to 5 years, $34.8 mil. The Bobcats aren't constrained by the MLE and can offer Wallace a 6th year and bigger annual raises.

EricaLubarsky · 07-09-2007, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DelNegro

Henry is right. You can't combine a trade exception with the MLE to offer a bigger contract. The MLE would be the best the Mavs could offer. Assuming a $6 mil MLE that would work out to 5 years, $34.8 mil. The Bobcats aren't constrained by the MLE and can offer Wallace a 6th year and bigger annual raises.

Charlotte can/probably will start him at 7 or 7.5 mill

DelNegro · 07-09-2007, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Charlotte can/probably will start him at 7 or 7.5 mill

Agreed. They may even go a little higher. It probably depends on whether anyone else with cap room turns their attention towards Wallace.

Charlotte's got something good started. Once they lock up Wallace they'll have a pretty nice looking core in Wallace, Okafor and Richardson. Wallace and Okafor will be 25 to start next season and Richardson will be 26.

It gets even better for Charlotte. They can sign Wallace and Carroll and still have cap room to go chase someone else. Depending what the cap number ends up being they might even have enough to beat an MLE contract. As wide open as the east is, they stand a good chance of being a playoff team next year.

Silk Smoov · 07-10-2007, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Henry_VIII

According to this, you cannot combine exceptionss. Do you have information to the contrary?

You are correct. The Mavs can trade for more than one player to use an exception..

Silk Smoov · 07-10-2007, 12:38 AM

There are two questions in the FAQ that I have always been curious about, that is not talked about alot. I wonder why?

98. Can I get a copy of the actual Collective Bargaining Agreement?

The Collective Bargaining Agreement is a very long legal contract between the league and the Players Association, and is written in dense legalese. It is my hope that this FAQ answers all your questions. However, if you really want the CBA, it is available from the Players Association's web site at http://www.nbpa.com/cba_articles.php. At the time of this writing, bound copies of the CBA are not available from the league office.

Unfortunately, the CBA doesn't answer every question. The NBA, like most organizations, has by-laws, which are separate and apart from whatever contracts it may make with other entities such as the Players Association. Many of the rules are contained in the NBA By-Laws, and in a third document, the NBA Constitution. While it is possible for the public to obtain the CBA, the league office says the By-Laws and Constitution are absolutely off-limits.

87. Can teams find loopholes in the CBA and make trades that were never intended to be allowed?

The CBA has a general prohibition on circumvention which states that the rules exist to preserve the benefit derived by the teams and players, and that nobody shall do anything to defeat or circumvent the intent of the agreement. The league can use this prohibition to disallow a trade that they feel circumvents the CBA, even though that trade is not specifically prohibited by the agreement.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-10-2007, 01:27 AM

Dunno if this has been posted but kinda interesting:

By Preetom Bhattacharya
for HOOPSWORLD.com
Jul 9, 2007, 21:00

Mavs in Play for Wallace

Although the word is Gerald Wallace is close to an agreement with the Charlotte Bobcats, the Dallas Mavericks have a strong interest in the free-agent swingman. With the Bobcats reportedly offering Wallace a contract of over $60-million, the Mavericks would surely have to work on a sign-and-trade deal. There are rumors swirling that the Mavericks may move Jason Terry this offseason, but the Bobcats are unlikely to have interest in Jet with both Raymond Felton and Jason Richardson in their backcourt. Other than the sign-and-trade option, the Mavericks still hold their full Mid-Level Exception even after the team agreed to terms with Devean George late on Sunday night.

EricaLubarsky · 07-10-2007, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Dunno if this has been posted but kinda interesting:

By Preetom Bhattacharya
for HOOPSWORLD.com
Jul 9, 2007, 21:00

Mavs in Play for Wallace

Although the word is Gerald Wallace is close to an agreement with the Charlotte Bobcats, the Dallas Mavericks have a strong interest in the free-agent swingman. With the Bobcats reportedly offering Wallace a contract of over $60-million, the Mavericks would surely have to work on a sign-and-trade deal. There are rumors swirling that the Mavericks may move Jason Terry this offseason, but the Bobcats are unlikely to have interest in Jet with both Raymond Felton and Jason Richardson in their backcourt. Other than the sign-and-trade option, the Mavericks still hold their full Mid-Level Exception even after the team agreed to terms with Devean George late on Sunday night.

60 million is a lot of money. I'd love to know the numbers on it like years and soforth

We're already sitting on

55million
2million for George
6.5 for Stack
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63.3 million (+5million of Bradley who still counts against the cap)

which means we will be over the tax threshold meaning that if we don't dump any salary, Wallace's entire salary (at least this year) will be paid double. We also don't have Barea or Pops signed yet.