Who will win the World Series?

[Five-ofan]

BTW arods numbers for the first 6 innings .290 .395 .498 .893 vs for the 7th inning or later, 291 .383 .581 .964
9th highest ops in baseball after the 7th inning. But keep listening to espn telling you that he isnt clutch.

Conversely, Jeter is actually much worse in the late innings, First 6 - .359 .433 .511 .944
7th or later, .303 .375 .411 .786

Now tell me who is clutch or you can keep being a sheep and listening to ESPN.

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

mr. anti-clutch. fact.

hey, zumaya's great, i know it. why he's not the tigers closer over jones is bizarre.

but he does have a 1.94 ERA (20 runs in 83 IP). great ERA, but that means that people do score runs off of him. he's not unhittable. just to a-rod in a clucth situation.

Hes not unhittable because he sometimes makes mistakes. He didnt make any in that situation. No one is hitting him when hes on.

[fluid.forty.one]

C'mon yankees

[fluid.forty.one]

Dammit

[Big Boy Laroux]

i'm not comparing him to jeter. i don't like either one of them. i dislike the yankees in general.

pull up his stats in close games, not just late innings. a hit in the 8th when you're up by 5 doesn't mean crap.

every time i see a game, and it's a clutch situation, a-rod screws it up. strikeout, ground out into a DP, etc. for someone who's supposed to be the "best in the game", we should expect a little more.

[Big Boy Laroux]

just googling around. this is from last year:

In the late innings of close games, A-Rod hit .176 with men in scoring position

[Big Boy Laroux]

http://www.waswatching.com/archives/...06_al_mvp.html

http://clutchiness.blogspot.com/

[Flacolaco]

Yay Tigers!!!

Watching the Yankees (everything that is wrong with sports) lose every fall is just as fun as watching the Red Wings lose every spring...

[Big Boy Laroux]

also, 5-0, what the hell do your stats mean? what are those 4 avg. numbers from?

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

also, 5-0, what the hell do your stats mean? what are those 4 avg. numbers from?

Avg, OBP, Slugging, OPS. sorry, you are right, i should have labeled them. My fault. Also, I did look up Arods C&L stats and you are correct, they are utterly horrendous. I dont remember quite what they were but it was like a 237 BA with a slugging percentage under 400. That is pretty effing horrible. He had an ops of a little less than 700.

The funny thing about this argument is that while i think ops is the most important offensive stat in baseball, i do think that the sabermetric stats that have become popular(OBP and OPS) have begun to be overrated. I think the primary beneficiary of this is Adam Dunn. Hes an average player and everyone thinks hes great.

[Big Boy Laroux]

man, what a game last night. rogers' curve ball was straight FILTHY. it was awesome to watch him pitch with so much emotion. that standing O as he left the field literally gave me chills (watching in HD helps with that).

oh, and at least a-rod did something right. pudge was definitely out at third...


As for the A's, who'd a thunk it? well, me! i don't know why, but i just have a good feeling about the A's.

[Flacolaco]

HOOOOOOOOME RUUUN TIGERs!!!!!!

suck on it Yanks....

[Nemesis]

What a joke! I didn't even know the playoffs began.. Who cares??

[Male30Dan]

I AM GOING TO BE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HAPPY IF ANOTHER FRIGGIN STEINBRENNER BOUGHT TEAM FAILS TO WIN IT ALL... HAHAHAHAHAHA... I AM LOVING ME SOME TIGERS RIGHT ABOUT NOW...

4-0 in the fifth...

Uh oh... Make it 5-0!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

[Flacolaco]

6-0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Male30Dan]

7-0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nashtymavsfan13]

Wow, the Yanks are going to get knocked out! Down 8-1!

[Male30Dan]

So is Torre gone?

[ames7]

Okay. I'm no Kenny Rogers fan. But that was pretty cool of him to go on top of the dugout & celebrate with the fans. Congrats to the Tigers.

[Drbio]

Woo hoo!!!!!!!!

Suck it Yankees.

[Five-ofan]

Ive always loved kenny rogers. Glad to see him go out there and pitch like that. Wish them the best in the rest of the playoffs. Him and pudge is a good enough reason to root for them over anyone else. Sean Casey also seems like a really easy guy to root for and since verlander and bonderman basically won me the fantasy title i like them too.

Oh yeah did i mention that Joel Zumaya could very well have the best stuff in the history of baseball and DOES have the best fastball in the history of baseball.

[Drbio]

Tap the breaks on proclaiming him as the best fastball in the HISTORY of baseball. Sheesh. You probably don't think Zito is any good either.

[Drbio]

Originally Posted by dalmations202

Give me the Cardinals.

That was my vote as well.

[nashtymavsfan13]

Wow 5-0, don't you think it's a little early to proclaim that?

[mary]

Alex Rodriguez, $25 million: 1-14, 4 Ks, 0 RBI, .071 av., .133 obp, .071 slg.
Derek Jeter, $20.5 million: 8-16, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 15 tb, .500 av., .529 obp, .938 slg.
Jason Giambi, $20.5 million: 1-8, 1 HR, 2 RBI, .125 av., .417 obp, .500 slg. (ed. - why the eff does Jason Giambi make 20 mil?)
Mike Mussina, $19 million: 0-1, 7 IP, 5.14 ERA
Randy Johnson, $15.5 million: 0-1, 5.2 IP, 7.94 ERA
Bobby Abreu, $13.5 million: 5-15, 4 rbi, .333 av., .412 obp, .400 slg.
Johnny Damon, $13 million: 4-17, 1 HR, 3 RBI, .235 av., .278 obp, .412 slg.
Hideki Matsui, $13 million: 4-16, 0 RBI .250 av., .250 av., .312 slg.
Jorge Posada, $12 million: 7-14, 1 HR, 2 RBI, .500,. .563, .786
Gary Sheffield, $10.75 million: 1-12, 1 RBI, .083 av, .083 obp, .083 slg.
Mariano Rivera, $10.5 million: 1.0 IP, 0.00 ERA
Jaret Wright, $7.5 million: 0-1, 2.2 IP, 10.12 ERA
Kyle Farnsworth, $5.17 million: 2.0 IP, 0.00 ERA
Cory Lidle, $3.3 million: 1.1 IP, 20.25 ERA
Ron Villone, $2.5 million: 1.0 IP, 0.00 ERA
Bernie Williams, $1.5 million: 0-3, .000 av., .000 obp, .000 slg.
Mike Myers, $1.15 million: 0.0 IP, infinite ERA

http://www.sethmnookin.com/blog/2006...-world-series/

Good lord those are some expensive losers.

[Big Boy Laroux]

ha ha, did you guys see leyland right after the game? went behind the plate and kissed his wife and daughter through the netting. then some random tigers fan runs up and leans into the net, puckering up. leyland leaned in and kissed the brim of the guy's hat. it was pretty funny (both on the fans part, and leyland's part). it'll probably be on youtube soon.

[Male30Dan]

Yeah... I saw that BBL... Pretty funny! I also liked how Leyland was about to walk out onto the field and someone poured champagne over his head and down his back and he made this hilarious face and turned around and went back inside. I guess he had to clean up before making a public appearance!

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by Drbio

Tap the breaks on proclaiming him as the best fastball in the HISTORY of baseball. Sheesh. You probably don't think Zito is any good either.

He throws harder than anyone ever and it has movement. I said it earlier, it seems like hyperbole but really name one better. Ryans? Only one with a legit argument and if he was in relief he might have thrown harder but with all things being as they are, I honestly believe that Zumaya does have the best fastball in the history of baseball. I dont think that means anything with regards to accomplishments. His fastball wont get any better than it is now so i dont see why waiting 8 years or something like that is necesarry. Im not arguing its accomplished the most in history or anything like that and im not calling him anywhere near the best relief pitcher in baseball or anything like that but im just saying that that pitch is the best fastball in baseball history.

Others with slight arguments might be guys like Wagner.

[#1MavsFan]

I somewhat agree with 5-0, name me a list of pitchers who can hit 103.

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by #1MavsFan

I somewhat agree with 5-0, name me a list of pitchers who can hit 103.

hes hit 104 on multiple occassions. Whats amazing is that he "sits" at 100. Thats just unbelievable.

[Drbio]

Nolan Ryan, Clemens, J.R.Richard...there are others who threw well over 100. To proclaim a young gun to have the best fastball in baseball history is purely nuts.

[Flacolaco]

Originally Posted by Drbio

Woo hoo!!!!!!!!

Suck it Yankees.

Oh, how I love to taste their bitter bitter tears.....

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by Drbio

Nolan Ryan, Clemens, J.R.Richard...there are others who threw well over 100. To proclaim a young gun to have the best fastball in baseball history is purely nuts.

when did roger clemens throw "well over a 100"? The hardest pitch nolan ryan ever threw was 100.9. Zumaya throws harder than that about once a game. I dont know who JR Richard is so im not gonna comment on him but when you are young is when you throw the hardest. To proclaim someone who ISNT a young gun as the best fastball in baseball history is purely nuts. Like i said, im not proclaiming him to be an all time great or anything as a pitcher. Im just saying that that one talent is the best in the history of baseball and he could never throw another pitch and it would still be true. This has absolutely nothing to do with what level of success he has.

[nashtymavsfan13]

Satchel Paige also had a heck of a fastball. People say his is the fastest of all time. I read a book about it once. They never were actually able to record it, because they didn't have radar guns back then, but people who witnessed him pitch said that they've never seen anyone throw harder. Satch was a heckuva pitcher.

[nashtymavsfan13]

To get back to the main topic of this thread, now that the Yanks are out I'd say that the winner of the NLCS will win the WS.

[Big Boy Laroux]

i still think whoever comes out of the AL will win it (especially if it's the tigers. if it's the A's, the NL might have a chance). All year, the NL has been (to steal from Sports Guy) the equivalent of AAAA baseball compared to the AL.

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by Drbio

Nolan Ryan, Clemens, J.R.Richard...there are others who threw well over 100. To proclaim a young gun to have the best fastball in baseball history is purely nuts.

In Order by Fastest Observed Speed
(Listing Has Only The Fastest Known Speed by the Pitcher )

Pitcher Radar Speed Date Location

Mark Wohlers 103.0 mph 1995 Spring Training
Joel Zumaya 103.0 mph 07-04-2006 McAfee Coliseum
Armando Benitez 102.0 mph 05-24-2002 Shea Stadium
Bobby Jenks 102.0 mph 08-27-2005 Safeco Field
Randy Johnson 102.0 mph 07-09-2004 Pacific Bell Park
Robb Nen 102.0 mph 10-23-1997 Jacobs Field
A.J. Burnett 101.0 mph 05-31-2005 PNC Park
Rob Dibble 101.0 mph 06-08-1992 Candlestick Park
Kyle Farnsworth 101.0 mph 05-26-2004 Minute Maid Park
Eric Gagne 101.0 mph 04-16-2004 Pacific Bell Park
Jose Mesa 101.0 mph 05-01-1993 Cleveland Stadium
Guillermo Mota 101.0 mph 07-24-2002 Qualcomm Stadium
Justin Verlander 101.0 mph 05-10-2006 Camden Yards
Billy Wagner 101.0 mph 06-11-2003 Yankee Stadium
Nolan Ryan 100.9 mph 08-20-1974 Anaheim Stadium
Josh Beckett 100.0 mph 10-12-2003 Pro Player Park
Daniel Cabrera 100.0 mph 05-09-2005 Camden Yards
Roger Clemens 100.0 mph 10-10-2001 Yankee Stadium
Bartolo Colon 100.0 mph 10-06-1999 Jacobs Field
Francisco Cordero 100.0 mph 07-07-2004 Jacobs Field
Rich Harden 100.0 mph 05-27-2005 McAfee Stadium
Jorge Julio 100.0 mph 09-16-2004 Skydome
J.R. Richard 100.0 mph 05-25-1976 Candlestick Park
C.C. Sabathia 100.0 mph 06-28-2002 Jacobs Field
Ben Sheets 100.0 mph 07-10-2004 Miller Park
Derrick Turnbow 100.0 mph 05-27-2005 Miller Park
Kerry Wood 100.0 mph 08-10-2005 Wrigley Field

With this said, there were many more from the older age that were said to be faster.

Also the actual one given that was clocked by an officially calibrated Radar:

The most widely quoted response is Nolan Ryan, whose fastball was "officially" clocked by the Guinness Book of World Records at 100.9 miles per hour in a game played on August 20, 1974 versus the Chicago White Sox. A record that's still included in the book.

Who knows ? ? ? source "Baseball Almanac, Inc"

[Flacolaco]

Francisco Cordero 100.0 mph 07-07-2004 Jacobs Field


Really??

[fluid.forty.one]

r.i.p. yankees

[Five-ofan]

Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Francisco Cordero 100.0 mph 07-07-2004 Jacobs Field


Really??

he hit 100 more than once.