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Bryan_Wilson · 05-19-2017, 11:29 PM

I honestly like Lauri, just not as a top 10 pick and not over those guards, if they were gone and we traded down and got him I wouldn't care.

I concur tho, burn the house down buddy murdock style if they choose him over the guards.

Underdog · 05-19-2017, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I'd rather them just trade down and draft someone like John Collins if they are serious about PF. You might be able to pick up a pretty good asset doing that.

But I'm confident Monk, Isaac, or Frank will be available at 9, so there really is no reason to worry.

Now, if they take Lauri over one of those three, then you can burn the house down.

Yeah, that's what concerns me.

Melonhead · 05-20-2017, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

If the Mavs draft Markkanen, I'm rooting for GSW/CLE Finals until the NBA burns to the ground.

This got me lol

hayth.james.g · 05-20-2017, 09:59 AM

Someone mentioned it before. Anything that gets leaked right now is smoke and mirrors at the #9 spot. Whether they like or don't like DSJ or Monk is pure speculation.

Currently with the assets we have and the ability to trade future picks, I see no reason why we wouldn't go ALL IN on a franchise #1. I will keep beating that dead horse until I am blue in the face. We need to be aggressive.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-20-2017, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Someone mentioned it before. Anything that gets leaked right now is smoke and mirrors at the #9 spot. Whether they like or don't like DSJ or Monk is pure speculation.

Currently with the assets we have and the ability to trade future picks, I see no reason why we wouldn't go ALL IN on a franchise #1. I will keep beating that dead horse until I am blue in the face. We need to be aggressive.

Do you mean getting someone through a trade or draft?

Problem is that there really is no clear franchise number #1 player at 9 in this draft. Frank and Isaac have the most upside, but they wouldn't be ready to "take over" in a few years anyway.

In fact, that's what people need to realize. All of the lottery picks are 19 years old. Even the college guys might be a few years away. There is a lot of talent, but that doesn't mean you're getting a star next season.

hayth.james.g · 05-20-2017, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Do you mean getting someone through a trade or draft?

Problem is that there really is no clear franchise number #1 player at 9 in this draft. Frank and Isaac have the most upside, but they wouldn't be ready to "take over" in a few years anyway.

In fact, that's what people need to realize. All of the lottery picks are 19 years old. Even the college guys might be a few years away. There is a lot of talent, but that doesn't mean you're getting a star next season.

Aggressive as in using assets to move up in the draft if necessary to get "our guy". This is the deepest draft in a decade. I believe we are looking at 4+ All nba 1st teamers here. Yes its a risk in any draft. This is THE draft to bet on. And you are right... none of these kids are the answer for next year or the next. This is about finding our next cornerstone. Not about finding a Barnes, Parsons, etc.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-20-2017, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Aggressive as in using assets to move up in the draft if necessary to get "our guy". This is the deepest draft in a decade. I believe we are looking at 4+ All nba 1st teamers here. Yes its a risk in any draft. This is THE draft to bet on. And you are right... none of these kids are the answer for next year or the next. This is about finding our next cornerstone. Not about finding a Barnes, Parsons, etc.

And what assets do we have to move up in the draft? What would your plan be to do that?

Underdog · 05-20-2017, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

And what assets do we have to move up in the draft? What would your plan be to do that?

Yeah, the #9 pick alone isn't much, and future firsts aren't guaranteed to yield a decent return if we get Fultz... We don't have Noel under contract to package, Wes is a negative asset in this scenario, Seth/Yogi/Devin/Barea don't add enough value, and including Barnes in the deal would be overpaying on our end.

Not many options to move up more than maybe a couple spots, which doesn't really do anything for us since the few teams ahead of us are probably gunning for the same players that we are.

hayth.james.g · 05-20-2017, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Yeah, the #9 pick alone isn't much, and future firsts aren't guaranteed to yield a decent return if we get Fultz... We don't have Noel under contract to package, Wes is a negative asset in this scenario, Seth/Yogi/Devin/Barea don't add enough value, and including Barnes in the deal would be overpaying on our end.

Not many options to move up more than maybe a couple spots, which doesn't really do anything for us since the few teams ahead of us are probably gunning for the same players that we are.

Couple spots is more than enough for a DSJ or Monk imo.

Underdog · 05-20-2017, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Couple spots is more than enough for a DSJ or Monk imo.

That's the thing though, anyone a couple spots ahead of us probably wants those guys too... The ONLY possibility I can see is if Minny is dead-set on Markkanen, then maybe they take a future pick from us so we can leapfrog NYK. But that's about it.

rimrocker · 05-20-2017, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

New article on Mavs.com says they want to find a Dirk replacement-- PF that can spread the floor.

Feint or truth, it's hard to tell

Hope they are referring to Isaac.

turin · 05-20-2017, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

We need Wes to be traded. That is the only way to ensure that Rick doesn't play him 35 mpg.

This!

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-21-2017, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Couple spots is more than enough for a DSJ or Monk imo.

Even if you could do that, what you'd be giving up probably wouldn't be worth it at that point. Would you give up Curry and a future protected 1st for Monk who is very similar to Curry? I might do it for DSJ, but the chances of a team wanting to give him up to us are slim to 0.

Like you said, there are potential all NBA first teamers here. Draft picks are arguably the most valuable commodity outside of having a superstar under contract.

BigDog63 · 05-22-2017, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

New article on Mavs.com says they want to find a Dirk replacement-- PF that can spread the floor.

Feint or truth, it's hard to tell

Not sure why it wouldn't be truth.

Finding said replacement....THERE'S the rub. Wanting is easy, finding is hard.

Bryan_Wilson · 05-30-2017, 04:51 PM

http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2017/5/...yal-in-the-nba
http://harvardsportsanalysis.org/201...st-loyal-fans/

Eat shit Houston. And f the Clippers.

Go Mavs.

Underdog · 05-30-2017, 06:49 PM

J.J. Barea accepts head coaching job in Puerto Rico

tap2390 · 05-30-2017, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2017/5/...yal-in-the-nba
http://harvardsportsanalysis.org/201...st-loyal-fans/

Eat shit Houston. And f the Clippers.

Go Mavs.

Hell yeah! Also, is anyone really surprised to see the Clips at the bottom of that list?

BPo001 · 06-05-2017, 11:59 AM

The Brooklyn Nets, Philadelphia 76ers, and Dallas Mavericks have expressed interest in bringing Jan Vesely back to the NBA, league sources told Basketball Insiders. – via Basketball Insiders

Murphy3 · 06-05-2017, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2017/5/...yal-in-the-nba
http://harvardsportsanalysis.org/201...st-loyal-fans/

Eat shit Houston. And f the Clippers.

Go Mavs.

I don't expect this to continue once Dirk retires.

Underdog · 06-05-2017, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

The Brooklyn Nets, Philadelphia 76ers, and Dallas Mavericks have expressed interest in bringing Jan Vesely back to the NBA, league sources told Basketball Insiders. – via Basketball Insiders

What is he good at, again? Being tall?

EricaLubarsky · 06-05-2017, 10:39 PM

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What is he good at, again? Being tall?

If you squint, he looks like Raef LaFrentz

Bryan_Wilson · 06-26-2017, 11:53 AM

Yogi Ferrell named to All-Rookie Second Team
Not bad for a 10 day.

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Every other player on the All-Rookie Second Team was drafted in the lottery. Ferrell is the only player on either team to have gone undrafted.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-26-2017, 12:00 PM

Congrats to Yogi. He definitely deserved it. Big props to the mavs scouting.

EricaLubarsky · 06-26-2017, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Yogi Ferrell named to All-Rookie Second Team
Not bad for a 10 day.

Not bad at all.

I wonder if a guy who started the season in D-league and signed on a 10-day contract has ever gotten first or second team.

I know he's the first to have ever scored 30 on/off a 10-day

Underdog · 06-26-2017, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Yogi Ferrell named to All-Rookie Second Team
Not bad for a 10 day.

@IsaacHarrisNBA: Brandon Ingram had four more first place votes than Yogi Ferrell for the All-Rookie voting...let that sink in

sefant77 · 06-26-2017, 07:28 PM

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@IsaacHarrisNBA: Brandon Ingram had four more first place votes than Yogi Ferrell for the All-Rookie voting...let that sink in

Because you let stupid journalists vote who cant shake off their homerism...this whole voting system is a pile of hot poo

Underdog · 06-26-2017, 07:38 PM

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Because you let stupid journalists vote who cant shake off their homerism...this whole voting system is a pile of hot poo

I think the point is that an undrafted rookie on a 10-day contract got only 4 less votes than the #2 overall pick.

sefant77 · 06-26-2017, 08:14 PM

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I think the point is that an undrafted rookie on a 10-day contract got only 4 less votes than the #2 overall pick.

Could be too.

My point is that the amount of Ingrams votes are garbage too. His season sucked ass.

EricaLubarsky · 06-26-2017, 08:36 PM

Dirk Nowitzki is the 2016-17 Twyman–Stokes Teammate of the Year! #NBAAwards*

@NBAonTNT

Underdog · 06-26-2017, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Dirk Nowitzki is the 2016-17 Twyman–Stokes Teammate of the Year! #NBAAwards*

@NBAonTNT

Never heard of that award, but GO DIRK!

EricaLubarsky · 07-12-2017, 10:53 PM

NBA season starts 10 days earlier this year

Thank goodness. Once the summer league ends tomorrow, it's going to be a long time until camp.

Underdog · 07-23-2017, 08:06 AM

Wesley Matthews shows off his coaching chops at The Basketball Tournament

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2017/7...all-tournament

Fragism · 07-23-2017, 09:52 AM

Yikes... Not sure about that haircut, Wes

Bryan_Wilson · 07-23-2017, 04:19 PM

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Yikes... Not sure about that haircut, Wes

Maybe the ugly hair will distract us during those 1-13 games, and 0-10 from 3.

mac222b · 07-23-2017, 04:47 PM

Too bad they missed their window to dump Wes. Maybe could've gotten a protected 1st during the season when he was shooting and playing well. Then he hit the Carlisle wall

G-Man · 07-26-2017, 12:16 PM

Really hoping Smith Jr lets Wes go back to spotting up for open 3's. Its been hard for him to create his own and easy to defend him when we lack other offense.

EricaLubarsky · 07-26-2017, 01:12 PM

The Matthews hate here is disturbing.

People cried for a 3/D guy. He's it.

Dude gets 90% of the flack for our crappy season, but it was just a bum roster and Rick made him do things he wasn't capable of.

saclare · 07-26-2017, 01:15 PM

Yup I like Wes. He seems like an ultimate teammate and person, on and off the court. He struggled because he had to do more than his usual. Expends most of his energy on the defensive side and then spots up for threes and goes for boards. The negative view of him will ease this season. His first season here, he was coming off of the Achilles injury, so he wasn't going to be 100% just yet. Then we know what happened last season. I think the FO and their comments when he was constantly mentioned in trades, that spoke volumes.

Bryan_Wilson · 07-26-2017, 02:31 PM

I think Wes is actually getting a pass IMO. Because we are a non contending team. If we were a contending team the reality would still be he is a 3 and d player who is making 18m a year, we signed him to a max contract(70m) the same year Danny Green got almost literally half the amount at 40m, and Green was not coming off a significant injury. Demarre Carroll got 52m that year, Ariza got 32m the year before. He's paid like a top 40-50 guy and in reality is not close to that talent wise and if picking a side, he's on the downside not the upside of his career. And When Wes signed he stated he was not just a 3 and d guy, he said he wanted to prove he was worth the max and it was even called the worst contract of the off season and posted to his twitter iirc. I believe he even made comments about making those people eat their words. I fully believe Wes would do better with better players around him, I don't think anyone has said otherwise really. That doesn't change the fact he's overpaid. And when the first thing people say positively about him is "locker room presence" then that's probably not a good sign for a guy making 36m over the next 2 years. I like Wes, I wanted him here more than Green or any other available 3 and d guy. But even if he shot 38% from 3 and scored 15 a game with good defense he'd be overpaid. He's getting a pass tho imo because we are not close to being a true contender, so the money means nothing right now.

tap2390 · 07-26-2017, 02:38 PM

Dead on Bdub.