Luol Deng?

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by JeffViggiano

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...iscussing-Deal


"I'm very open to sit down to talk," Deng said. "At the same time, I'm OK with waiting until the summer."

i understand your love and faith for the mavs but the reality is really clear.

I mean, you know the chances of LeBron opting out of his contract and signing with the Cavs is about the same as him opting out to sign with the Mavs while you get struck by lightning and win the lottery at the same time, right?

[JeffViggiano]

Originally Posted by Underdog

I mean, you know the chances of LeBron opting out of his contract and signing with the Cavs is about the same as him opting out to sign with the Mavs while you get struck by lightning and win the lottery at the same time, right?

of course,but that's not the point...Deng is open to resign with the cavs.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by JeffViggiano

of course,but that's not the point...Deng is open to resign with the cavs.

That point was never in debate.

[mac222b]

Of course Deng is going to SAY all the right things. Doubt he actually re-signs with that Cavs mess though. Mavs have a great shot(if they want him)

[sike]

Originally Posted by mac222b

Of course Deng is going to SAY all the right things. Doubt he actually re-signs with that Cavs mess though. Mavs have a great shot(if they want him)

I like your confidence.

[spreedom]

Confidence is a great thing, I agree, but I think getting a quality center is a much bigger priority this offseason. I'd like Deng, but I think he's going to be asking upwards of $15M per, and I just think that's too much when you can get quality role players at 1/3 that salary.

[sike]

Originally Posted by spreedom

Confidence is a great thing, I agree, but I think getting a quality center is a much bigger priority this offseason.

Like?

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by sike

Like?

Samuel Dalembert will be on the market... And Chris Kaman!

[sike]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Samuel Dalembert will be on the market... And Chris Kaman!

NOW YOU'RE TALKING!

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Gortat is a free agent. Definitely have to consider him.

I like Deng, but if rumors of him wanting 14+ mil a year are true...Meh.

[grndmstr_c]

Q: Do players always get paid what they want to get paid?

A: See Monta Ellis.

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by sike

Like?

Monroe
Okafor
Gortat
Bosh
Pau
[insert trade target here]


I'd rather target those guys and get one of them locked up in a multi-year deal before going after another swingman. I think the so-called "three and D" guys are going to be relatively easy to get this summer... I'd rather get two of them at $3-5M each than spending three times that much on only Deng (which would still leave us without a center).

[sike]

Monroe, Bosh,Pau,Okafor would not help where we need help. Defensive Centerpiece.

If we go after Monroe, then I see it as primarily a "after Dirk" move. That doesn't mean I'm against it, but I'm not sure it really gets us all that much closer to maximizing Dirk's final two seasons of great/good play.

Originally Posted by spreedom

Monroe
Okafor
Gortat
Bosh
Pau
[insert trade target here]


I'd rather target those guys and get one of them locked up in a multi-year deal before going after another swingman. I think the so-called "three and D" guys are going to be relatively easy to get this summer... I'd rather get two of them at $3-5M each than spending three times that much on only Deng (which would still leave us without a center).

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by sike

Monroe, Bosh,Pau,Okafor would not help where we need help. Defensive Centerpiece.

If we go after Monroe, then I see it as primarily a "after Dirk" move. That doesn't mean I'm against it, but I'm not sure it really gets us all that much closer to maximizing Dirk's final two seasons of great/good play.

Okafor is unquestionably one of the top 5 defensive centers in the league.

[sike]

Originally Posted by spreedom

Okafor is unquestionably one of the top 5 defensive centers in the league.

A few seasons ago I would have been on board. But I don't see him as the answer in Dallas. If Okafor is acquired, he would need to be the second best acquisition of the off season.

Not sure Noah, Hibbert, Gasol, Drummond, A Davis, or Howard would appreciate being left out of the top 5 defensive centers. (Not to mention Serge who plays Center as well as PF now...)

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by sike

A few seasons ago I would have been on board. But I don't see him as the answer in Dallas. If Okafor is acquired, he would need to be the second best acquisition of the off season.

Not sure Noah, Hibbert, Gasol, Drummond, A Davis, or Howard would appreciate being left out of the top 5 defensive centers. (Not to mention Serge who plays Center as well as PF now...)

I don't look at Drummond or Ibaka favorably as overall defenders. Great shot blockers, yes, but they both leave a LOT to be desired in the post. And Anthony Davis plays less than half of his minutes at center. The other four guys you named (Hibbert, Gasol, Dwight, Noah) are the only 4 that I think are unquestionably better than Okafor. If any of them was available on the trade market I'd lo to add them instead. As it stand right now, though, Okafor is our best bet, unless Melo leaves the Knicks and they want to move Chandler.

[Skywalker]

in for okafor as well

[Underdog]

Okafor thread

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by spreedom

Confidence is a great thing, I agree, but I think getting a quality center is a much bigger priority this offseason. I'd like Deng, but I think he's going to be asking upwards of $15M per, and I just think that's too much when you can get quality role players at 1/3 that salary.

I agree that center is top priority and much scarer commodity to come by. I could see Deng turning down a slightly bigger offer from a non playoff type team to sign with a team like Dallas. Also any team that gives Deng more than 12-13 per is foolish. If Chandler was deemed unworthy of that kind of contract by MBT why would deng fit the profile any better? Different circumstances thisntimemaround I guess. More financial flexibility and lingering sense of desperation. Deng is really really good but who wouldn't rather have contract whore Ariza at half the price?

[JeffViggiano]

Originally Posted by Underdog

That point was never in debate.

and you can put your bad reps in your ass.

[sike]

is that Grizzly Adams??

[Burn this City]

Some team is going to pay Deng whatever he wants, but I doubt it'll be the Mavs (and I have a hard time believing he's interested in coming to Dallas). After this season, it should be clear that the Mavs need some interior defensive help - I just don't know where it'll come from. Maybe some deal involving one of the PG's (not Calderon, probably Harris or Larkin) or a sign & trade with VC or Matrix.

I'd say the biggest offseason target will probably be Gortat.

[JeffViggiano]

Originally Posted by Burn this City

Some team is going to pay Deng whatever he wants, but I doubt it'll be the Mavs (and I have a hard time believing he's interested in coming to Dallas). After this season, it should be clear that the Mavs need some interior defensive help - I just don't know where it'll come from. Maybe some deal involving one of the PG's (not Calderon, probably Harris or Larkin) or a sign & trade with VC or Matrix.

I'd say the biggest offseason target will probably be Gortat.

reading this forum it seems like every big FA wants to come to dallas...but i've never seen anyone sign with us.


And i doubt that calderon,harris and larkin will be pieces for some big trade...maybe the rookie could be send for a veteran.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by JeffViggiano

reading this forum it seems like every big FA wants to come to dallas...but i've never seen anyone sign with us.

Monta Ellis?

[Burn this City]

Originally Posted by JeffViggiano

reading this forum it seems like every big FA wants to come to dallas...but i've never seen anyone sign with us.


And i doubt that calderon,harris and larkin will be pieces for some big trade...maybe the rookie could be send for a veteran.

It wouldn't be for a big trade - the only asset the Mavs have that could be part of a "big trade" is Dirk. Trading for a quality big is almost impossible anyway.

The Mavs would try to move Harris or Larkin to possibly get a draft pick or in a trade similar to the Celtics/Heat/Warriors trade yesterday.

I'm pretty confident the Mavs won't be making any big trades anytime soon.

[JeffViggiano]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Monta Ellis?

yes,i like Monta(of course at this price) but he is a second/third star of a tem,every year we target players like CP3,howard,melo,lebron ecc ecc and dirk's getting older...

Originally Posted by Burn this City

It wouldn't be for a big trade - the only asset the Mavs have that could be part of a "big trade" is Dirk. Trading for a quality big is almost impossible anyway.

The Mavs would try to move Harris or Larkin to possibly get a draft pick or in a trade similar to the Celtics/Heat/Warriors trade yesterday.

I'm pretty confident the Mavs won't be making any big trades anytime soon.

i think that we need to separate calderon and ellis(because they have starter's salary and they don't play together) and the only way is a trade,right now.

the cavs take Deng for bynum(= marion's contract) and picks(probabily only seconds rounds)...

[Burn this City]

Originally Posted by JeffViggiano

i think that we need to separate calderon and ellis(because they have starter's salary and they don't play together) and the only way is a trade,right now.

the cavs take Deng for bynum(= marion's contract) and picks(probabily only seconds rounds)...

I think Ellis is fine at the SG spot, but you really need a solid defender at PG, especially in the west where it seems like every other team has an all-star caliber PG. I think if Harris comes back and plays well (especially on D), he may even supplant Calderon as starter - and I think that could be a HUGE difference.

I would be hesitant to trade Calderon or Ellis just because the offense is so efficient (6th in the league right now). The Mavs could probably gain a few additional wins without making any lineup changes if they just played at a faster pace.

[JeffViggiano]

man,you are waiting Harris like the Santo Graal...i think we need a bigger upgrade.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by JeffViggiano

yes,i like Monta(of course at this price) but he is a second/third star of a tem,every year we target players like CP3,howard,melo,lebron ecc ecc and dirk's getting older...

Well, Deng is a lot closer to Ellis in talent/pay than he is LeBron, Paul or Howard... So why can't we get him?

[Burn this City]

Originally Posted by JeffViggiano

man,you are waiting Harris like the Santo Graal...i think we need a bigger upgrade.

A bigger upgrade to do what? Win the title? Yea, the Mavs need another superstar and a rim protector. Sadly, those types of players are not freely available, especially if you don't have the assets to get them. If you trade Calderon and/or Ellis, who do you plan to get back in return?

So realistically speaking, if Harris can come in and play well, that could potentially be the difference between not making the playoffs and getting a 5th or 6th seed.

If they make the playoffs, who knows what could happen with injuries and whatnot. Also, it's a lot easier to attract free agents when you're a playoff team.

[JeffViggiano]

because cuban haven't get him in this market session...and i still think that the cavs core in perpesctive is better than ours old guys.

we need a player like him right now,we have wasted the last 2years of dirk' era and this is third,too many teams have a better future than us.

p.s.
deng is a better bbplayers than ellis and he has more PO exp.

[JeffViggiano]

Originally Posted by Burn this City

A bigger upgrade to do what? Win the title? Yea, the Mavs need another superstar and a rim protector. Sadly, those types of players are not freely available, especially if you don't have the assets to get them. If you trade Calderon and/or Ellis, who do you plan to get back in return?

So realistically speaking, if Harris can come in and play well, that could potentially be the difference between not making the playoffs and getting a 5th or 6th seed.

If they make the playoffs, who knows what could happen with injuries and whatnot. Also, it's a lot easier to attract free agents when you're a playoff team.

of course but it's not my fault if we have destroyed a championship team for what??nothing...

and i think that sign a 32yo PG with no defence for 4years at 28M is the right way to rebuild

[Burn this City]

Originally Posted by JeffViggiano

of course but it's not my fault if we have destroyed a championship team for what??

For a playoff team? It's not like the Mavs are Milwaukee, Orlando, Sacramento, the Lakers, etc.

If rebuilding means still making the playoffs and winning most nights, I would probably take that.

[JeffViggiano]

Originally Posted by Burn this City

For a playoff team? It's not like the Mavs are Milwaukee, Orlando, Sacramento, the Lakers, etc.

If rebuilding means still making the playoffs and winning most nights, I would probably take that.

2012--->8th seed and sweeped by the okc
2013--->out of PO
2014--->we are 8th(spurs,okc,blazers,clips,rox and warriors are really better than us)

and our core is very old...i'm glad that you are happy for this situation.

[Burn this City]

Originally Posted by JeffViggiano

2012--->8th seed and sweeped by the okc
2013--->out of PO
2014--->we are 8th(spurs,okc,blazers,clips,rox and warriors are really better than us)

and our core is very old...i'm glad that you are happy for this situation.

Every franchise has to endure some rough patches...our rough patches equate to being in contention for the playoffs. In the 90's, I would've killed for the Mavs to be this good.

There are over 20 teams that wish they had as many wins as the Mavs right now.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by JeffViggiano

deng is a better bbplayers than ellis and he has more PO exp.

That wasn't the point... You cited the Mavs inability to land "big name free agents" over the past couple years as a reason why they won't land Deng, and I'm contending that Deng isn't any bigger of a name than Ellis was... He certainly isn't in the same class as LeBron/Paul/Howard, anyway.

[JeffViggiano]

Originally Posted by Underdog

That wasn't the point... You cited the Mavs inability to land "big name free agents" over the past couple years as a reason why they won't land Deng, and I'm contending that Deng isn't any bigger of a name than Ellis was... He certainly isn't in the same class as LeBron/Paul/Howard, anyway.

yes but in this case the Cavs were been smart and they have get him before the expiring of his contract and probabily they will resign him without problems.
i think Deng will not be a really FA.

[Underdog]

Dallas Mavericks expected to pursue Luol Deng in offseason

[sike]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Dallas Mavericks expected to pursue Luol Deng in offseason

I wonder if D. Aldridge is just guessing at this, like we are, or if he actually has anything.

Deng would be a very nice addition.

Deng and a strengthened Center position (say Gortat backed up by Dalembert?) would be a nice improvement.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by sike

I wonder if D. Aldridge is just guessing at this, like we are, or if he actually has anything.

Probably just making an obvious observation - we're going to be one of the better franchises with cap space this summer.