NBA Season 18-19: General Thread - Page 17 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

j0Shi · 04-29-2019, 02:43 AM

I get this whole "giving players airspace and letting them land". That's important. It however gets hilarious when people jump several feet forward and then even extend body parts to draw contact. In my opinion the league needs to clarify / change the rule so it only gives you the right to land in the area that you started your jump in. Go straight up and you have every right to complain, but the defender can't adjust to personal shooting motions and back off as much just to not potentially get jumped into.

I mean wtf? In most cases Harden / Paul jump further than the defender and that's supposed to be a foul on the opponent? But hey, this is only a thing because the league is shitty in calling rules consistently. I get why Houston is upset, but last night was exactly how the stuff should get officiated.

Lestat_1795 · 04-29-2019, 03:51 AM

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...define-rivalry

I really had to laugh reading this without seeing a single second of this game.
Harden's way of playing is excactly what's going wrong in the NBA.
Hope the Rockets get swept.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-29-2019, 08:16 AM

Harden commits an offensive foul against Green on that famous gif that is flying around social media.

What people should be talking about is the alarming regression of Chris Paul.

j0Shi · 04-29-2019, 09:24 AM

I like how the focus is shifting towards officiating. It might force the league to make adjustments and finally ban moves like Harden's. Or rather not ban, but not fault defenders for a forward motion by the shooter. I don't get it. If you have position on a drive it's called a charge. But on jump shots the attacker can literally crash into you and gets the foul call?

SMC0007 · 04-29-2019, 11:39 AM

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All that shit talk he does during the season, then quickly put on hush mode when the playoffs start. Turns out, athleticism matters.

Apparently RWB didn't get that memo

Melonhead · 04-29-2019, 01:09 PM

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Apparently RWB didn't get that memo

Apples/Oranges.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-29-2019, 09:17 PM

I'm warming up a bit to Butler. Love how he responded after airballing it. Grabbed the defensive board and attacked time rim for an and 1.

gmb · 04-29-2019, 11:10 PM

The NBA these days is such trash! All the bullshit fouls. It's about everything but the product on the court. I barely watched the NBA for a few years. I may have to go back to that.

I miss the good old days.

Underdog · 04-30-2019, 01:36 PM

Sources: Popovich expected to sign 3-year deal
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...gn-3-year-deal

Underdog · 04-30-2019, 10:29 PM

Kevin Durant has perfected Dirk's fadeaway better than anyone else in the league.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-30-2019, 10:48 PM

Yeah it's funny all the crap KD gets, and yet he still isn't anywhere near as unlikable as Harden. Not even close.

sefant77 · 05-01-2019, 04:24 AM

GS cockblocking Morey and his smocks is the one good thing about Durants weak ass move

saclare · 05-01-2019, 09:59 AM

I think the best outcome now is a sweep with the Rockets pointing to the eye injury to Harden as the reason why and that next year will be their year. Aging Paul who is only getting more expensive. Capela overpaid. Role players getting older and the cap is going to hurt.

EricaLubarsky · 05-01-2019, 10:07 AM

Hope the Rockets get swept

sefant77 · 05-01-2019, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by saclare

I think the best outcome now is a sweep with the Rockets pointing to the eye injury to Harden as the reason why and that next year will be their year. Aging Paul who is only getting more expensive. Capela overpaid. Role players getting older and the cap is going to hurt.

Capela actually isnt overpaid, he is underpaid. He was a moron to take a discount the same offseason Morey paid Paul his max.....

Rockets have a huge mismatch with Capela and they barely use it because statistically a three is way more cool....idiots

EricaLubarsky · 05-01-2019, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Capela actually isnt overpaid, he is underpaid. He was a moron to take a discount the same offseason Morey paid Paul his max.....

Rockets have a huge mismatch with Capela and they barely use it because statistically a three is way more cool....idiots

Not sure 5/90mill is underpaid, but I agree that he's underutilized.

saclare · 05-01-2019, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Capela actually isnt overpaid, he is underpaid. He was a moron to take a discount the same offseason Morey paid Paul his max.....

Rockets have a huge mismatch with Capela and they barely use it because statistically a three is way more cool....idiots

Eh it could be fairly paid, most definitely not underpaid. As the team's constructed, I view it as overpaid.

He's a PnR lob center with defense. Not sure the way the NBA is going that the Rockets will enjoy the latter years of that deal. If you can't shoot in today's NBA, or as a big man, at least have the threat, I think you become more of a role player.

He's basically Powell with defense and without any semblance of range. Yes, Powell has range.

sefant77 · 05-01-2019, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by saclare

Eh it could be fairly paid, most definitely not underpaid. As the team's constructed, I view it as overpaid.

He's a PnR lob center with defense. Not sure the way the NBA is going that the Rockets will enjoy the latter years of that deal. If you can't shoot in today's NBA, or as a big man, at least have the threat, I think you become more of a role player.

He's basically Powell with defense and without any semblance of range. Yes, Powell has range.

Either you want a PnR center with strong defense or you want a stretch-5. Capela is a really good center in the right system even in todays NBA. Not his fault the Rockets play like they play.

And Powell doesnt have range. Pretty sure Capela could clank 30% from downtown too. Hell, even Salah is allready better.

saclare · 05-01-2019, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Either you want a PnR center with strong defense or you want a stretch-5. Capela is a really good center in the right system even in todays NBA. Not his fault the Rockets play like they play.

And Powell doesnt have range. Pretty sure Capela could clank 30% from downtown too. Hell, even Salah is allready better.

Agree with your first point as it's fair.

Disagree strongly with the 2nd as we have differing opinions on what/who a clanker is...30.7% for the season and post All-Star break 39.6%. Not a clanker at his size and position, and really at all.

You can argue all you want about who he was doing it against etc. Also, on Salah, despite the threes he made late in the season, still finished well behind Powell in post All-Star rate, slightly better on the season on drastically less 3PA.

Capela would not come near those figures was my point. He is getting paid 5/$90mm to be a essentially a role player on that team. I don't believe you can make him a 3rd big piece to a team. So perhaps it's his certain fit, good or bad, however you see it. I see it as a bad use of resources (not Capela's fault, Rockets had to pay him as they were sold out to the Harden/Paul combo).

sefant77 · 05-01-2019, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by saclare

Disagree strongly with the 2nd as we have differing opinions on what/who a clanker is...30.7% for the season and post All-Star break 39.6%. Not a clanker at his size and position, and really at all.

You can argue all you want about who he was doing it against etc. Also, on Salah, despite the threes he made late in the season, still finished well behind Powell in post All-Star rate, slightly better on the season on drastically less 3PA.

And Powell finished the season as bad as he started it with 4-18 in the last nine games. Thats back to freaking 22%.

He had a solid streak after the ASG. But streaks has every player. Wake me up if he is able to shoot 38% over a period of 40-50 games. Until then he is a clanker with no range. Because if you cant hit them consistently, you are not a shooter or stretch-5 or "a player with range"

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-01-2019, 09:45 PM

Kanter is actually doing a decent job on jokic.

saclare · 05-02-2019, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

And Powell finished the season as bad as he started it with 4-18 in the last nine games. Thats back to freaking 22%.

He had a solid streak after the ASG. But streaks has every player. Wake me up if he is able to shoot 38% over a period of 40-50 games. Until then he is a clanker with no range. Because if you cant hit them consistently, you are not a shooter or stretch-5 or "a player with range"

I'll let this one go and say we agree to disagree. He shot over 30% for the season as a PnR big-man. I'm not sure what we are expecting from Powell, because if he shot 35% or more, you could argue he should be making Capela money. Where I conceded it's probably fair price.

saclare · 05-02-2019, 10:33 AM

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Kanter is actually doing a decent job on jokic.

Kanter is intriguing because it's always been his defense that's held him back. He's a very good PnR threat on offense and boards really well. I just don't think he brings enough defense to fit next to KP. You also wonder what their relationship was like in NY since Kanter wasn't the happiest there, but that was more due to the FO.

sefant77 · 05-02-2019, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by saclare

I'll let this one go and say we agree to disagree. He shot over 30% for the season as a PnR big-man. I'm not sure what we are expecting from Powell, because if he shot 35% or more, you could argue he should be making Capela money. Where I conceded it's probably fair price.

If you are shooting 30.7% from downtown, you shouldnt shoot at all from downtown. Or just at the end of the shotclock after a broken play. Simple as that.

And yet, we see Powell all the time jacking one up early in the shotclock or even in a tight game in the 4th quarter during a crucial scoring run of the oppenent. And that is bullshit in general (counts not just for Powell).

EricaLubarsky · 05-02-2019, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

If you are shooting 30.7% from downtown, you shouldnt shoot at all from downtown. Or just at the end of the shotclock after a broken play. Simple as that.

That opinion is ridiculous and doesn't reflect how the NBA works/is nor how coaches see things.

30.7% from three is shooting an eFG% of 46.1%. That's plenty good. Definitely not a sharpshooter, but more than efficient enough to take a rhythm/open three and maybe even be drawn up as 2nd/3rd/4th option for any given plan.

Also if teams know you are only going to shoot it after a broken play, then they back off you and you are a liability. You can't just tell a player who is efficient enough to shoot to not shoot if in rhythm or wide open or you are asking teams to make brutal adjustments.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-02-2019, 11:56 PM

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The Raptors are actually in trouble because they are being carried by Siakam and Leonard. If one of them doesn't have a good game, they'll lose. Lowry has just fallen flat.

Siakam had a bit of a better game tonight, but their woes are exactly as I feared. You can't go far with the rest of that squad doing zilch.

EricaLubarsky · 05-03-2019, 01:00 PM

Lakers getting Tyronn Lue to keep LeBron happy

mac222b · 05-03-2019, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Siakam had a bit of a better game tonight, but their woes are exactly as I feared. You can't go far with the rest of that squad doing zilch.

The Raptors are my team in the East, and I was hoping they'd trade for another bench scorer with some size ala Lou Williams before the deadline. Ironically, they may have had a decent enough facsimile if they had kept Delon Wright and given the Grizz FVV (don't know for sure that was an option) who has been singularly ineffective.

Maybe they could've packaged OG and some picks? James Ennis was basically given away to Philly. But then they would be thin on the wing and if Kawhi leaves be bereft of young talent.

I liked the Gasol trade at the time but he is so out of sorts offensively, he's used to being option 1 or 1A for the last decade +.

I love Masai but seems he didn't quite go ALL in. He hedged by not using every chip (assuming Siakam is untouchable).

I wonder if he tried throwing JV, FVV, OG and future 1sts at NO for Jrue Holiday(though this probably wouldn't be enough). And then try buyout and/or modest trades for a second and third big next to Ibaka instead of Gasol. It was rumored that Mirotic was their first choice.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-03-2019, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

The Raptors are my team in the East, and I was hoping they'd trade for another bench scorer with some size ala Lou Williams before the deadline. Ironically, they may have had a decent enough facsimile if they had kept Delon Wright and given the Grizz FVV (don't know for sure that was an option) who has been singularly ineffective.

Maybe they could've packaged OG and some picks? James Ennis was basically given away to Philly. But then they would be thin on the wing and if Kawhi leaves be bereft of young talent.

I liked the Gasol trade at the time but he is so out of sorts offensively, he's used to being option 1 or 1A for the last decade +.

I love Masai but seems he didn't quite go ALL in. He hedged by not using every chip (assuming Siakam is untouchable).

I wonder if he tried throwing JV, FVV, OG and future 1sts at NO for Jrue Holiday(though this probably wouldn't be enough). And then try buyout and/or modest trades for a second and third big next to Ibaka instead of Gasol. It was rumored that Mirotic was their first choice.

Gasol is basically Andrew Bogut now. They are slow, smart veterans that you like to make a few good defensive plays on a championship team. He has all but erased getting a decent contract this summer.

mac222b · 05-03-2019, 09:09 PM

Gasol is still a great passer. Their 3 point % shot way up after his arrival. He’s been in many playoff series and played well so it’s strange to see him struggle.

dirt_dobber · 05-05-2019, 05:20 AM

Only 7 points from the Warriors bench in OT loss to Rockets. Rockets bench put up 21.
The bench units on both of those teams are weak and I thought were their achilles heal.
In this match-up i'm pulling for the Warriors though as I cant' stand the Rockets.

mac222b · 05-05-2019, 05:21 AM

Steve Kerr sucks. 38 secs left, with the ball and two timeouts he elects NOT to call a timeout for a 2 for 1 after Rockets made ft. GS doesn’t score and if not for a great defensive play by Klay they maybe lose in regulation.

dirt_dobber · 05-05-2019, 05:40 AM

Weird game from Warriors - Steph missing some easy layups
and I still don’t know why the Warriors went away from Durant.
and a good one here:
Travis Wimberly@TravisRW -- Steph owe a debt to the mob or something?

Underdog · 05-05-2019, 04:52 PM

Shaquille O'Neal has been a teammate of an NBA champ every year since 1983
https://hoopshype.com/2017/05/18/six...nba-champions/

[the 2011 Mavs were a bit of a stretch, but interesting nonetheless]

BPo001 · 05-08-2019, 08:40 PM

Is this Kyrie’s last game as a Celtic?

sefant77 · 05-08-2019, 08:55 PM

Yes

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-08-2019, 09:36 PM

Irving is leaving and they're stuck with Hayward. No wonder Ainge is having health problems.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-08-2019, 11:49 PM

Durant is injured. If the Warriors lose the series, then the stars will have aligned for him and Irving to go to NY.

j0Shi · 05-09-2019, 04:02 AM

I'm kinda rooting for KD out for the remainder and Warriors still moving on to win the title. That would be such a giant shit on his nonexistent legacy, yikes. And then go and fail in New York and never be considered a top 25 player in history. LOLOLOL you weak mofo.

Also shoutout to Mr "one shot in last eight minutes" Harden.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-09-2019, 08:51 AM

I still can't believe the Rockets listed Faried as inactive. That guy borderline saved their season when Capela was out, and he killed it as a starter. I'm not saying he should be treated like a superstar, but Nene shouldn't be in the league Hilario gets hierarchy over him? Wow.

Edit: Says he missed the game for personal reasons, but I doubt he plays anyway.