Mavs off-season and draft 2023 thread - Page 14 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

R28J · 05-19-2023, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by sig

Man, trading down from 10 to get a bunch of multiple picks sounds better every day. Check out Prosper from Marquette.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2023/5/...rumors-testing

Thanks for posting this article.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-19-2023, 11:14 AM

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SMC0007 · 05-19-2023, 11:16 AM

We also have an issue where the coach is a fvcking wildcard. Draft a guy at #10 and he rides the pine because DP and Bullock etc. No one wants too see that, but no one had faith it won't happen. I guess that goes in the trade it for proven talent bin.

There are a few guys I'd keep the pick for but the only thing I'm sure of is there WILL be WTF IS KIDD DOING moments.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-19-2023, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Its always "this year or bust" with this team lol. They were doing this last year too. And this same song and dance will guarantee the mavs will never build a contending team except for a random once in a decade run. Because you cant empty the barrel every summer especially if youre a cheap owner like Cuban. Not to mention the new cba will have an impact on future moves as well.

Every single team making runs yearly are not skipping steps to make a run. Denver, Miami, Boston, Sacramento, Memphis, GS, Milwaukee all built their teams over years of drafts and trades and collecting assets for trades. Mavs keep trying to jump over steps and dont have assets because theyre short on time??

Bingo. The problem is what is the alternative? If you can fill out the team trading the 10th pick, then you do it. But I can't see that happening.

And let's say Luka does eventually ask out. Do you want a team full of young prospects or a team full of over the hill vets who have no value?

Dallas41 acts like we are full of young guys and no vets. We literally have two promising young players in Hardy and Green. Two.

Melonhead · 05-19-2023, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Bingo. The problem is what is the alternative? If you can fill out the team trading the 10th pick, then you do it. But I can't see that happening.

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If it was a top 4 pick, I could see getting back actual rotational pieces. But not with the 10th pick, this isnt the nfl. Teams are not tripping over themselves to give up much value to get the 10th pick(or not the value the mavs are probably seeking). Maybe Im way off though.

EricaLubarsky · 05-19-2023, 11:59 AM

If we dont get Wallace at 10, then I do think we trade down.

10 to Nets for 22/23 would be sweet and grab TJD and Podziemski
10 to Jazz for 16/29
10 for 26/29 and a future FRP

more than anything
1) there aren't a lot of stars, but there are a lot of guys with starter potential down to 25-29
2) We are in cap hell and need to upgrade a lot of positions with no real money in FA.

SMC0007 · 05-19-2023, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

If we dont get Wallace at 10, then I do think we trade down.

10 to Nets for 22/23 would be sweet and grab TJD and Podziemski
10 to Jazz for 16/29
10 for 26/29 and a future FRP

more than anything
1) there aren't a lot of stars, but there are a lot of guys with starter potential down to 25-29
2) We are in cap hell and need to upgrade a lot of positions with no real money in FA.

Cason Wallace?!

mac222b · 05-19-2023, 12:59 PM

If Walker is there at 10 he would be perfect. I really like Wallace too. Starting to like Lively a lot. The two French forwards look good? Gouilaby and Rupert.

EricaLubarsky · 05-19-2023, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Cason Wallace?!

oops Walker

EricaLubarsky · 05-19-2023, 01:05 PM

Would you do

THJ + 10th pick for Jarrett Allen?

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-19-2023, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Would you do

THJ + 10th pick for Jarrett Allen?

Finally something realistic because it's not a no-brainer for either team.

I do that if we can't trade back and guys we like don't fall because if you can get TJD and another player, then I'd rather do that instead.

SMC0007 · 05-19-2023, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

oops Walker

Figured that is what you meant

SMC0007 · 05-19-2023, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Would you do

THJ + 10th pick for Jarrett Allen?

Hmm, good one. Probably. I'd have to call you back in a few.

Melonhead · 05-19-2023, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

If we dont get Wallace at 10, then I do think we trade down.

10 to Nets for 22/23 would be sweet and grab TJD and Podziemski
10 to Jazz for 16/29
10 for 26/29 and a future FRP

more than anything
1) there aren't a lot of stars, but there are a lot of guys with starter potential down to 25-29
2) We are in cap hell and need to upgrade a lot of positions with no real money in FA.

I would be okay with something like that

Melonhead · 05-19-2023, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Would you do

THJ + 10th pick for Jarrett Allen?

Im a keep the pick guy, but that would be enticing.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-19-2023, 02:16 PM

I'm just not sure Allen is a lottery pick value right now after that sorry first round loss. He doesn't spread the floor and isn't really great at anything.

26th pick got us Christian Wood who is in the same tier production-wise.

TJD is a better shot blocking version of him who slates right around where Allen got drafted. No way TJD slips to the second round.

If I'm being honest, I'd rather just draft TJD at ten and not worry about what people think about that. He fits the bill in nearly every category of our needs. A mix of Sabonis, Allen, RW3. This year's Desmond Bane in terms of guys that teams will regret not drafting.

sig · 05-19-2023, 03:05 PM

Here is combine report on TJD's 3 point shooting drill. Real interested to see where his draft rankings are by the time draft comes.

https://www.si.com/college/indiana/b...ibextid=S66gvF

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-19-2023, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sig

Here is combine report on TJD's 3 point shooting drill. Real interested to see where his draft rankings are by the time draft comes.

https://www.si.com/college/indiana/b...ibextid=S66gvF

I bet his reaches 15-20 by draft night. Mobile bigs are the name of the game these days, and it's rare to have smaller centers block shots like he does.

If he can shoot threes every now and make them, then it's a no-brainer pick.

tap2390 · 05-20-2023, 07:23 AM

I?m on board with TJD at #10. I honestly wouldn?t be that surprised if we took him over Hendricks/ Walker (if one were to fall) because he?s more of a 5 than those two.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-20-2023, 09:49 AM

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I?m on board with TJD at #10. I honestly wouldn?t be that surprised if we took him over Hendricks/ Walker (if one were to fall) because he?s more of a 5 than those two.

Watching the Miami game last night, and I'm thinking this guy is nearly identical to what Bam brings to the table. And Bam was drafted 14.

And we might finally have one big advantage on our side with Cuban. He went to IU. And you know damn well he does weird stuff like that.

Zeus · 05-20-2023, 10:09 AM

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Watching the Miami game last night, and I'm thinking this guy is nearly identical to what Bam brings to the table. And Bam was drafted 14.

And we might finally have one big advantage on our side with Cuban. He went to IU. And you know damn well he does weird stuff like that.

Bam at 14 is exactly why the Iztak article on nobody good drafted at 10 is disingenuous from a math/probability perspective. You can't just look at the 10th pick but instead you need to consider the universe of players that could be selected at 10 e.g. Bam could have gone 10th rather than 14, D. Mitchel could have gone 10 rather than 12, Kawhi could have gone 10 rather than 13, you get the point - there are tons of good players picked at 10 or after.

tap2390 · 05-20-2023, 04:14 PM

I think the main concern with TJD will of course be his age (23.32 at time of draft). It is much easier for a 22-23 year old to dominate in college ball than a 18-19 year old. Dereck Lively is almost exactly four years younger than TJD.

Big men do take a while though, and having a ready-to-play two-way guy who has consistently improved and "has that dog in him" is really enticing. Especially when you consider the Mavs will basically have the ability to lock him up for the entirety of his prime with his rookie deal and his second RFA deal.

If we don't have a trade on the table when our pick is up, I almost expect us to draft TJD.

rimrocker · 05-21-2023, 02:49 AM

I must be missing something on TJD.
Most mock drafts have him projected in the 20s and he is only 6'8 according to some sources.
His age probably plays a part and he seems to be strong and tough, but I'm not sure he would be my preference at 10...maybe if we trade down.

tap2390 · 05-21-2023, 09:14 AM

He's 6'8.25" w/o shoes with a 7'1" wingspan at 240 lbs (official draft measurements).

If he were a legit 7-footer I think he'd go top 10 for sure. As it stands, I think he has the size/ speed/ athleticism to play the 5 in the modern NBA. I also don't think he makes it out of the top-20 regardless of what the mocks say.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-21-2023, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

I must be missing something on TJD.
Most mock drafts have him projected in the 20s and he is only 6'8 according to some sources.
His age probably plays a part and he seems to be strong and tough, but I'm not sure he would be my preference at 10...maybe if we trade down.

He basically has no holes in game other than 3 point shooting. Excellent passer for his position which is something we desperately need from players outside of Kyrie/Luka.

I mean, Desmond Bane was slated as a late first/early second. Do you think he would be in that same position in a re-draft?

4 year guys will almost never be drafted high, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't take them seriously.

I like the idea of the Nets 21/22 if they were interested. You could possibly get TJD and Lively.

Zeus · 05-21-2023, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

He basically has no holes in game other than 3 point shooting. Excellent passer for his position which is something we desperately need from players outside of Kyrie/Luka.

I mean, Desmond Bane was slated as a late first/early second. Do you think he would be in that same position in a re-draft?

4 year guys will almost never be drafted high, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't take them seriously.

I like the idea of the Nets 21/22 if they were interested. You could possibly get TJD and Lively.

Desmond Bane and Maxey go top 5 in the 2020 redraft. If only either would have been there when we picked at 18.

Melonhead · 05-21-2023, 10:05 PM

Report coming out that there was a handshake deal with Kyrie on a 3+1

Also some source of Ayton for THJ, Javale, 10, and josh green.

I?m not okay with that shit, but it?s totally a cuban move.

(Deep down I know Cuban would?ve never tanked just so he can draft a player at 10, I will be shocked if he keeps the pick. It?s the complete opposite of how he operates. He still believes he can build sustainable teams thru free agency alone)

EricaLubarsky · 05-21-2023, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Report coming out that there was a handshake deal with Kyrie on a 3+1

Also some source of Ayton for THJ, Javale, 10, and josh green.

I?m not okay with that shit, but it?s totally a cuban move.

(Deep down I know Cuban would?ve never tanked just so he can draft a player at 10, I will be shocked if he keeps the pick. It?s the complete opposite of how he operates. He still believes he can build sustainable teams thru free agency alone)

Kyrie 3+1? Okay. Not awful.

THJ/Javale for Ayton would be barely tolerable. Green AND a lottery first would be the stupidest move in the world.

rimrocker · 05-22-2023, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

He basically has no holes in game other than 3 point shooting. Excellent passer for his position which is something we desperately need from players outside of Kyrie/Luka.

I mean, Desmond Bane was slated as a late first/early second. Do you think he would be in that same position in a re-draft?

4 year guys will almost never be drafted high, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't take them seriously.

I like the idea of the Nets 21/22 if they were interested. You could possibly get TJD and Lively.

I'd definitely be fine with that if we were able to get Lively.

I wonder if Nets would consider DFS/O'Neale/#21/#22 for #10/THJ?
Probably not.

Aplus23 · 05-22-2023, 02:44 PM

Mavs fan here from Canada.

Ayton does make sense for us, but I'm not into trading either of Josh Green or #10 for in him a package

THJ McGee future 1st I'll do.

TJD isn't good value at 10, that would be a reach. Wallace or Walker should be there and if Hendricks is there you count your lucky stars

Dillion Brooks also makes some sense in FA

mac222b · 05-22-2023, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Aplus23

Mavs fan here from Canada.

Ayton does make sense for us, but I'm not into trading either of Josh Green or #10 for in him a package

THJ McGee future 1st I'll do.

TJD isn't good value at 10, that would be a reach. Wallace or Walker should be there and if Hendricks is there you count your lucky stars

Dillion Brooks also makes some sense in FA

Welcome! I agree with everything you?ve said here.

tap2390 · 05-22-2023, 05:00 PM

Bull, Kleber, future 1st for Allen... maybe I'm delusional, but I think this deal makes sense for the Cavs on several levels.

SMC0007 · 05-22-2023, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Aplus23

Mavs fan here from Canada.

Ayton does make sense for us, but I'm not into trading either of Josh Green or #10 for in him a package

THJ McGee future 1st I'll do.

TJD isn't good value at 10, that would be a reach. Wallace or Walker should be there and if Hendricks is there you count your lucky stars

Dillion Brooks also makes some sense in FA

Welcome. Good to have more folks around, albeit just in time for our off season dead zone.

I'm passing on Brooks, im afraid His cheese has fully slid off his cracker. If he could pivot to less insane and cringe, even to the level of what DeShawn Stevenson was for us, I'd consider it.

mac222b · 05-22-2023, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

Bull, Kleber, future 1st for Allen... maybe I'm delusional, but I think this deal makes sense for the Cavs on several levels.

That?s a lot to give up, to me.

EricaLubarsky · 05-22-2023, 10:14 PM

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That?s a lot to give up, to me.

Considering we have exactly two tradable picks (7-year rule, consecutive pick rule), that is half of our FRPs that we can trade for a guy who couldn't play in the playoffs.

mac222b · 05-22-2023, 10:30 PM

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Considering we have exactly two tradable picks (7-year rule, consecutive pick rule), that is half of our FRPs that we can trade for a guy who couldn't play in the playoffs.

Yes and while Maxi and Reggie are flawed in some ways, they are both useable rotation guys. If they can get value for Reggie I?m all for it, but replacing Maxi would be difficult.

Amarelooms · 05-22-2023, 10:54 PM

How much cap space lakers have? Don?t tell me we lose Kyrie to them for nothing!!! Brunson all over again.

EricaLubarsky · 05-23-2023, 12:21 AM

Lakers are like 85 mill over the cap. Let?s chill

Dallas41 · 05-23-2023, 12:45 AM

Hopefully this all comes to fruition except use that 10th pick to acquire Turner as opposed to Ayton

One source told Pincus that the deal will likely be for three years plus a player option, lining up with the length of Luka Doncic?s current contract. League sources told Pincus that Irving is likely worth more to Dallas than the rest of the teams, especially ones with cap room.

For the 10th pick, sources told Pincus the likely objective is to trade it for help, while also shedding a bad contract like JaVale McGee or Davis Bertans. Familiar trade target Suns center DeAndre Ayton was mentioned once again

tap2390 · 05-23-2023, 01:46 PM

1. Spurs - Victor Wembanyama (duh)

2. Hornets - Scoot Henderson (Hornets take character over another wing with legal issues)

3. Trailblazers - Brandon Miller (either Dame or the pick is getting traded)

4. Rockets - Jarace Walker (first surprise; Rox take the high-floor and versatile local guy with an eye on Harden coming into town)

5. Pistons - Taylor Hendricks (Pistons have guards for days, but need glue guys/ wings)

6. Magic - Amen Thompson (tough board for the Magic, but they take Amen for defense and size on the wing)

7. Pacers - Anthony Black (Pacers are stuck between competing and rebuilding, and Black fits in either way)

8. Wizards - Cason Wallace (Washington is the island of misfit toys, but Cason actually slots in nicely)

9. Jazz - Jordan Hawkins (Jazz will be upset to miss out on Cason, but Hawkins adds some needed perimeter shooting)

10. Mavs - Trayce Jackson-Davis (a bad board for the Mavs, but after desperately shopping around for anyone who is in love with Ausar Thompson, the Mavs take the ready-to-play TJD)