Official Mavs 2020 Draft/Free Agency Thread - Page 13 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

EricaLubarsky · 11-15-2020, 04:26 PM

Reminder:

19.5 hours - Trades not involving drafted players can be finalized. Trades can be announced any time, obviously

75 hours - draft begins. Trades involving drafted players can be finalized (Wednesday night)

6pm Friday - Free agents can be contacted

10 days after FA begins, camps start

Dtownsfinest · 11-15-2020, 04:47 PM

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DFS was our #1 defensive player and improved his 3pt shooting every year (.311->37.6 last)

He's also on a very friendly contract

Do you make him off limits? Absolutely not, but the dude has underrated value

That's exactly why he's intriguing for a team though. Mavs have pretty much said everyone is available but KP and Luka.....they don't have much trade value outside of those two. Makes it tough to make any moves.

spreedom · 11-15-2020, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Reminder:

19.5 hours - Trades not involving drafted players can be finalized. Trades can be announced any time, obviously

75 hours - draft begins. Trades involving drafted players can be finalized (Wednesday night)

6pm Friday - Free agents can be contacted

10 days after FA begins, camps start

I thought the transaction window technically opens at noon tmrw?

NeedlesKane · 11-15-2020, 05:44 PM

I don't know about the timing and how it affects other moves as I have not been following as closely since the Mavericks were eliminated from the playoffs. I heard some fake team with some fake fans won the title.

Anyway, I just read that THJ and WCS both opted in. I'm pleased with that news. I look at it as if we have 14 players if we sign both of our draft picks. Sadly, Courtney Lee is out. I believe the same can be said for J.J. Barea and MKG. I really hope they can keep Trey Burke. If we have no other options that make sense... then I say bring back J.J.

Also I read that Buddy Hield's preferred destination is Dallas. After seeing what he makes for the next 4 years I don't think I like the idea of locking in our future like that. Why did the Kings remove him from the starting lineup?

EricaLubarsky · 11-15-2020, 07:11 PM

https://landonbuford.com/2020/11/13/...s-says-source/

Buddy Hield Wants Out Of Sacramento, Prefers Dallas, Says Source

That's the one thing that Dirk didn't have as a superstar-- the charisma/gravity to make players request a trade.

mac222b · 11-15-2020, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

https://landonbuford.com/2020/11/13/...s-says-source/

Buddy Hield Wants Out Of Sacramento, Prefers Dallas, Says Source

That's the one thing that Dirk didn't have as a superstar-- the charisma/gravity to make players request a trade.

I mean, if they want to do him a solid and move him to his preferred team for a fair price then I’d be all over that. We’ll make him look like THJ on steroids and maybe we can flip him with our picks and role players for a “star.”

MFFL · 11-15-2020, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

https://landonbuford.com/2020/11/13/...s-says-source/

Buddy Hield Wants Out Of Sacramento, Prefers Dallas, Says Source

That's the one thing that Dirk didn't have as a superstar-- the charisma/gravity to make players request a trade.

Awesome

I doubt a trade to Dallas happens but wanting to COME to Dallas is sweet

KillerLeft · 11-15-2020, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

https://landonbuford.com/2020/11/13/...s-says-source/

Buddy Hield Wants Out Of Sacramento, Prefers Dallas, Says Source

That's the one thing that Dirk didn't have as a superstar-- the charisma/gravity to make players request a trade.

RIGHT! And this isn’t even prime Luka yet.

This is why planning for cap space isn’t crazy.

NeedlesKane · 11-15-2020, 07:48 PM

I would love for Buddy to come here and then kick it off with Luka and KP. It'd be nice to see them become a group of buddies (pun intended).

mac222b · 11-15-2020, 07:55 PM

And Buddy is one of the best shooters on the planet. No one questions that. If he’s happy and dialed in with a chip on his shoulder he could be great for us. Also, salary decreases yearly right?

NeedlesKane · 11-15-2020, 08:00 PM

@mac222b You're right about it being a frontloaded contract, structured similarly to the first one Harden got when he joined the Rockets.

mac222b · 11-15-2020, 08:10 PM

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@mac222b You're right about it being a frontloaded contract, structured similarly to the first one Harden got when he joined the Rockets.

Threats what I thought, thanks! I mean he’s still overpaid. But it helps make him more moveable. I’m on the fence about Hield. They would have to think he could get to at least respectable defensively. Otherwise, he’s a worse defending, albeit taller, Seth at 3x the cost. Or a slightly better THJ only not expiring. I’d imagine we’d be sending THC and our pick?

KillerLeft · 11-15-2020, 08:14 PM

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@mac222b You're right about it being a frontloaded contract, structured similarly to the first one Harden got when he joined the Rockets.

Yeah, if you are a believer in Hield, then his contract won’t scare you off. It’s basically like extending Hardaway Jr, only a much, much better version of him.

Hardaway shot 40% on a top 5 volume of 3 pt attempts last year - that’s elite. But, it was the first year he has ever accomplished that. Hield shot a HIGHER percentage on MORE attempts, and it was a bit of a “meh” year for him. So he’s on a completely different level, and I think his ball handling/play making is better, too. There is no question in my mind that he would fit here like a glove.

I actually spent about a week straight trying to figure out if Hield was the right guy. I would not mind this move, though I like Rubio better.

SMC0007 · 11-15-2020, 08:23 PM

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Seems like quite a few mavs fans are quick to trade DFS.

Not sure why because he's the perfect type of long wing players you want to surround luka and KP with defensively.

The Mavs should be trying to add another defender to pair with DFS to give them more options on defense not take one of your only and best options away.

Did we not just see Miami play lights out defense to reach the finals with multiple long wings.

Aren't we tired of seeing little guys like Brunson, THJ and Curry get exposed do to bad matchups.

Rubio would be a clear and significant upgrade defensively from any of our guards. Would immediately be our best defender on the team even if dodo stayed. I once said he was meh on defense years back but man was I so wrong. He and Luka would be a better duo than Dragic and Luka.

NeedlesKane · 11-15-2020, 08:24 PM

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Yeah, if you are a believer in Hield, then his contract won’t scare you off. It’s basically like extending Hardaway Jr, only a much, much better version of him.

Hardaway shot 40% on a top 5 volume of 3 pt attempts last year - that’s elite. But, it was the first year he has ever accomplished that. Hield shot a HIGHER percentage on MORE attempts, and it was a bit of a “meh” year for him. So he’s on a completely different level, and I think his ball handling/play making is better, too. There is no question in my mind that he would fit here like a glove.

I actually spent about a week straight trying to figure out if Hield was the right guy. I would not mind this move, though I like Rubio better.

Worst thing about trades or signing new players. You often have to part with other players that you also like. I'll miss THJ as I think he's gone if Buddy comes to Dallas.

NeedlesKane · 11-15-2020, 08:27 PM

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Rubio would be a clear and significant upgrade defensively from any of our guards. Would immediately be our best defender on the team even if dodo stayed. I once said he was meh on defense years back but man was I so wrong. He and Luka would be a better duo than Dragic and Luka.

Am I the only one concerned about Rubio's health? Anyway, Rubio's game is still improving. Maybe he's the next Nash? I hope Luka gets a big say in whichever player the Mavs trade for whether it is Buddy, Ricky, or someone else.

SMC0007 · 11-15-2020, 08:29 PM

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Threats what I thought, thanks! I mean he’s still overpaid. But it helps make him more moveable. I’m on the fence about Hield. They would have to think he could get to at least respectable defensively. Otherwise, he’s a worse defending, albeit taller, Seth at 3x the cost. Or a slightly better THJ only not expiring. I’d imagine we’d be sending THC and our pick?

Im no attorney general but I think trading THC would be illegal. Probably should stick to players and picks.

SMC0007 · 11-15-2020, 08:36 PM

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Am I the only one concerned about Rubio's health? Anyway, Rubio's game is still improving. Maybe he's the next Nash? I hope Luka gets a big say in whichever player the Mavs trade for whether it is Buddy, Ricky, or someone else.

Well he's 30 so idk how much more improving he will do aside from being with better players...which will definitely help. The Nash comparison is a tough one because he is infinitely a better defender. Pass first high IQ guard is one of only a few similarities of the top of my head.

mac222b · 11-15-2020, 08:49 PM

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Im no attorney general but I think trading THC would be illegal. Probably should stick to players and picks.

Haha nice catch! Yes, no a legal trade, even if it would be Bud for “Bud.” #OnlyBuilt4CubanKush

KillerLeft · 11-15-2020, 09:02 PM

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Well he's 30 so idk how much more improving he will do aside from being with better players...which will definitely help. The Nash comparison is a tough one because he is infinitely a better defender. Pass first high IQ guard is one of only a few similarities of the top of my head.

Yeah, Nash was one of the best pick and roll guys ever because of his ability to SCORE. Rubio doesn’t hold a candle to him there.

But, his catch and shoot game is better than you think, especially from the corners. He doesn’t need to dribble the paint off of the floor or hold the ball long to positively impact the possession. Great defender, and plays with a competitive edge. Savvy vet leader with a high IQ.

I’d say the comp Donnie will make at the presser, should the Mavs acquire him, will be Mavs era (2nd) Jason Kidd.

NeedlesKane · 11-15-2020, 09:15 PM

Nash turned 30 during his last season with the Mavericks, Ricky's current age. Hence the comparison. Also I think Rubio is still improving much like Nash did after the age of 30. They are not the same player, but I think Rubio will continue to improve.

Anyway, I am curious how Nash's final season with the Mavericks reflects Rubio's last season (before becoming a Mav?).

Nash: 14.5 points, 8.8 assists, 3 rebounds, and 0.9 steals in 33.5 mpg on 47.0% shooting, 40.5% from 3 and 91.6% from the charity stripe.

Rubio: 13.0 points, 8.8 assists, 4.7 rebounds, and 1.4 steals in 31.0 mpg on 41.5% shooting, 36.1% from 3 and 86.3% from the charity stripe.

Keep in mind that we're comparing a very good player to a 2-time MVP.

NeedlesKane · 11-15-2020, 09:21 PM

DMN states that this offseason could be more boring than the past two. Well, duh. We're not drafting Luka this year or signing KP to a contract. Those are 2 of the biggest moves the Mavericks have made in a very long time. Making a trade for a 3rd star will be huge though but still not be as big as what happened the last 2 years. DMN has some dumb articles.

KillerLeft · 11-15-2020, 09:24 PM

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Rubio: 13.0 points, 8.8 assists, 4.7 rebounds, and 1.4 steals in 31.0 mpg on 41.5% shooting, 36.1% from 3 and 86.3% from the charity stripe.

So, my guess is that the way he'd be used here, the assists (and usage rate) would go way down, but the 3 pt percentage would go way up.

NeedlesKane · 11-15-2020, 09:41 PM

So what is the price for Rubio? Hield? Gallinari? Beal? Oladipo? I'll stop there. Include any other players if you want if you think it could actually happen.

Dtownsfinest · 11-15-2020, 10:23 PM

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DMN states that this offseason could be more boring than the past two. Well, duh. We're not drafting Luka this year or signing KP to a contract. Those are 2 of the biggest moves the Mavericks have made in a very long time. Making a trade for a 3rd star will be huge though but still not be as big as what happened the last 2 years. DMN has some dumb articles.

Yeah but last off season was boring. We all knew KP was coming back. I'd be really disappointed if its more boring than last years.

Dtownsfinest · 11-15-2020, 10:25 PM

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So what is the price for Rubio? Hield? Gallinari? Beal? Oladipo? I'll stop there. Include any other players if you want if you think it could actually happen.

I really want Beal....I remember there was a time when if you wanted Beal you'd have to take on John Wall's deal. Not sure if that's still the case.

I'd take any of those guys except Rubio and Gallinari. Even those guys aren't bad just don't like the fit.

NeedlesKane · 11-15-2020, 10:32 PM

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Yeah but last off season was boring. We all knew KP was coming back. I'd be really disappointed if its more boring than last years.

Last season it was expected. That is true. It was still fun for me to see it happen though. Then we kept the team together for the most part while also bringing back Curry and adding Boban. I like those moves.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-15-2020, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedlesKane

DMN states that this offseason could be more boring than the past two. Well, duh. We're not drafting Luka this year or signing KP to a contract. Those are 2 of the biggest moves the Mavericks have made in a very long time. Making a trade for a 3rd star will be huge though but still not be as big as what happened the last 2 years. DMN has some dumb articles.

I actually think they'll try their best to get a third reliable guy. Doesn't have to be a superstar IMO...just someone who can be more consistent than the B squad on offense.

NeedlesKane · 11-15-2020, 10:35 PM

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I really want Beal....I remember there was a time when if you wanted Beal you'd have to take on John Wall's deal. Not sure if that's still the case.

I'd take any of those guys except Rubio and Gallinari. Even those guys aren't bad just don't like the fit.

I'm trying to understand how Rubio would be a good fit. I'm down for it if Luka wants him here, but I agree. I just don't see it. I expect Rubio to remain a terrific player in this league though. You said it though.

SMC0007 · 11-15-2020, 11:05 PM

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I really want Beal....I remember there was a time when if you wanted Beal you'd have to take on John Wall's deal. Not sure if that's still the case.

I'd take any of those guys except Rubio and Gallinari. Even those guys aren't bad just don't like the fit.

You don't see a High IQ, stud defensive guard that can run the offense and spot up as a good fit? We desperately need 2 way players, and he is unquestionably that. I don't think we end up with him, but there should be no denying he would fit IMO.

tap2390 · 11-15-2020, 11:36 PM

Rubio - sure for the right price; he’d bring defense and could be a secondary creator... I wouldn’t give up #18 for him thought

Hield- No thanks, he’s on a long-term contract, has a reputation of being a malcontent, and Hardaway is by far the better defender and all around fit with the team

Beal- take all our picks, all our future picks, my firstborn...

Honestly though, I really want to see who we end up with in the draft before making any moves. There is something to be said for continuity, although I would like to see us clear up the logjam by moving Wright, Jackson, and maybe Powell.

NeedlesKane · 11-16-2020, 12:04 AM

@tap2390 Wright and Jackson are both so young. I feel like there is still some upside for both of them. I wouldn't give up on both of them yet unless teams are willing to give up more than they should for them. Powell? Maybe no. I enjoy watching him play too much.

KillerLeft · 11-16-2020, 12:06 AM

I think Rubio is dead. People are starting to say that Chris Paul prefers LAC (OKC wanted PHX because the offer was better). I'm sad.

Anyone interested in Lou Williams or Patrick Beverly? Those guys will be up for grabs in a 3-way if Paul goes to LAC.

NeedlesKane · 11-16-2020, 12:25 AM

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I think Rubio is dead. People are starting to say that Chris Paul prefers LAC (OKC wanted PHX because the offer was better). I'm sad.

Anyone interested in Lou Williams or Patrick Beverly? Those guys will be up for grabs in a 3-way if Paul goes to LAC.

Lou Williams? Definitely. But not before the other options unless it's for substantially less money.

tap2390 · 11-16-2020, 07:08 AM

If Chris Paul is smart he will avoid the Clippers and go to the Suns. Why join a team that perpetually underachieves when you can instead overachieve with the suns like you did with the thunder last year? Only reason I can think of is his state farm commercials.

BPo001 · 11-16-2020, 08:43 AM

Carlos Rosa: Everything suggests Jose Juan Barea is returning to the Mavs for the 2020-21 season, @ElNuevoDia has learned. Barea already had a meeting with owner Mark Cuban. – via Twitter

EricaLubarsky · 11-16-2020, 09:43 AM

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Carlos Rosa: Everything suggests Jose Juan Barea is returning to the Mavs for the 2020-21 season, @ElNuevoDia has learned. Barea already had a meeting with owner Mark Cuban. – via Twitter

Interesting.

Seems like THJ and WCS are confirmed too.

That leaves us with 13 players on the roster next season-- literally the max active players a team can have with two draft picks taking up 14 and 15. Without a trade, that's just the same team.

Luka4eva · 11-16-2020, 10:06 AM

Sources say #mavs #nets are discussing joe harris snt + picks in effort to accumulate more assets so #nets can make attempt to trade for Harden.

KillerLeft · 11-16-2020, 10:10 AM

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Sources say #mavs #nets are discussing joe harris snt + picks in effort to accumulate more assets so #nets can make attempt to trade for Harden.

Where are you seeing that?

Dtownsfinest · 11-16-2020, 10:45 AM

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Last season it was expected. That is true. It was still fun for me to see it happen though. Then we kept the team together for the most part while also bringing back Curry and adding Boban. I like those moves.

I had no issue with the moves but with the salary cap and free agents like Walker and Brogdon out there.....I felt disappointed that all we could get was Delon Wright and Seth Curry back. I really thought Wright would have a bigger impact here though.