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jthig32 · 07-30-2014, 02:30 PM

Ray Rice knocked her out and dragged her out of an elevator by her hair.

There's absolutely no reason to discuss provocation given what he did. Discussing provocation in this incident is absurd. It's tantamount to telling women to stop dressing in such a way that provokes men to rape them.

Underdog · 07-30-2014, 03:05 PM

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There's absolutely no reason to discuss provocation given what he did.

Actually, now I'm wondering what provoked her to hit/spit at him in the first place... Not that it matters who started it, but Ray Rice must have done something to set her off.

Murphy3 · 07-30-2014, 03:22 PM

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Ray Rice knocked her out and dragged her out of an elevator by her hair.

There's absolutely no reason to discuss provocation given what he did. Discussing provocation in this incident is absurd. It's tantamount to telling women to stop dressing in such a way that provokes men to rape them.

Perhaps you need to go back and listen to what he said. All he's saying is that no woman deserves to get hit..but, do yourself a favor and don't provoke an idiot into hitting you. There is nothing wrong with decreasing your chances of getting hit.

Nothing wrong with that at all...end of discussion. Same thing with the rape scenario. No, no one deserves to be raped, but you can put yourself in better situations and decrease the likeliness that you will become a victim.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-30-2014, 03:23 PM

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Ray Rice knocked her out and dragged her out of an elevator by her hair.

There's absolutely no reason to discuss provocation given what he did. Discussing provocation in this incident is absurd. It's tantamount to telling women to stop dressing in such a way that provokes men to rape them.

Agreed 100%. No one deserves that no matter the provocation.

Murphy3 · 07-30-2014, 03:32 PM

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Agreed 100%. No one deserves that no matter the provocation.

Who's saying she deserved it? No one on this site.. Not Stephen A. Smith. How can you read what has been said and what has been written and come up with someone actually believing that she deserved it? No one is saying that.

jthig32 · 07-30-2014, 03:38 PM

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Who's saying she deserved it? No one on this site.. Not Stephen A. Smith. Do you have difficulty with speech?.. written words?

If there's nothing she could possibly have done to deserve what Rice did, then there's no reason to waste any time focusing on what she might have done prior to his actions. What she did is irrelevant and focusing on it at all takes the focus away from where it should be - squarely on Rice.

Murphy3 · 07-30-2014, 04:11 PM

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If there's nothing she could possibly have done to deserve what Rice did, then there's no reason to waste any time focusing on what she might have done prior to his actions. What she did is irrelevant and focusing on it at all takes the focus away from where it should be - squarely on Rice.

Why is it irrelevant? No one said that she did anything to deserve what she received. No one is saying that. All people are saying is that you should put yourself in a better position to where the likeliness of such happening is less. There is a huge difference between what I am saying and what Stephen A. Smith is saying and what you actually believe we are saying. I don't see the disconnect. SHE DIDN'T DESERVE IT. But, she increased the likeliness that something negative would occur. She still didn't deserve it.

I didn't deserve to get the crap beat out of me by my brother that is 6 years older than me... But I smarted off and agitated him over and over again. Eventually, I caught a fist upside the head. Did I deserve it? No, absolutely not. Did I create a situation to where the likeliness of something negative occurring was increased? Yes I did. Was I in the wrong? Absolutely. Was he in the wrong. Absolutely.

jthig32 · 07-30-2014, 09:20 PM

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Why is it irrelevant? No one said that she did anything to deserve what she received. No one is saying that. All people are saying is that you should put yourself in a better position to where the likeliness of such happening is less. There is a huge difference between what I am saying and what Stephen A. Smith is saying and what you actually believe we are saying. I don't see the disconnect. SHE DIDN'T DESERVE IT. But, she increased the likeliness that something negative would occur. She still didn't deserve it.

I'm fully aware of what you're saying. You're implying that she did something that contributed to what happened to her. By doing so, you're removing a portion of the blame from the idiot that assaulted her and placing it on her. And that's stupid.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-30-2014, 03:46 PM

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Who's saying she deserved it? No one on this site.. Not Stephen A. Smith. Do you have difficulty with speech?.. written words?

How long are the mods going to put up with your tired schtick? My guess is not long...

Murphy3 · 07-30-2014, 04:12 PM

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How long are the mods going to put up with your tired schtick? My guess is not long...

Sweep your own back porch..

By no stretch of the imagination was I attempting to be rude. I simply do not understand how you could read one thing..totally ignore what was actually written and then claim that it was something else. I'm just confused by that.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-30-2014, 04:35 PM

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Sweep your own back porch..

By no stretch of the imagination was I attempting to be rude. I simply do not understand how you could read one thing..totally ignore what was actually written and then claim that it was something else. I'm just confused by that.

Because there is no logic whatsoever to convoluting a situation like this. No minor wrong that the girl might have done should be in a conversation of what he did to her.

It's very similar to a rape. The girl shouldn't have been at that party, or worn skimpy clothes, or dated "that" guy. So she was kinda in the wrong too, right? As if the two wrongs are in any way comparable. Rape is one of the most horrifyingly awful things that can ever happen to a woman. There is no "she shouldn't have done that." Because nothing she did compares to that. Nothing.

My wife nags me and gets on my nerves all the time. And if I beat her or raped her, then nothing she did to nag me or get on my nerves should be in the conversation...at all. They aren't in the same universe of wrongs.

Melonhead · 08-05-2014, 03:20 AM

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Ray Rice knocked her out and dragged her out of an elevator by her hair.

There's absolutely no reason to discuss provocation given what he did. Discussing provocation in this incident is absurd. It's tantamount to telling women to stop dressing in such a way that provokes men to rape them.

Bingo. Really don't care what she did. He's powerful enough to keep her off of him without knocking her unconscious.

Murphy3 · 08-05-2014, 08:01 AM

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Bingo. Really don't care what she did. He's powerful enough to keep her off of him without knocking her unconscious.

Again, who said that what he did was justified? (cue Jeopardy theme song)