Let's get Okafor

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by dalmations202

SNT -- Damp makes that much.

Add to him something that Brown/Jordan covets (not sure who here), and see what happens.

That's the tough part - who do we have that they want AND we're willing to give up?

[MavsX]

man this is BS, the bobcats aren't going anywhere. i hate that franchise

[wmbwinn]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Well, that type of scenario helped the Cowboys acquire Pacman Jones - maybe the Mavs will have the same kind of luck?

In the NFL, bad apples are severely punished. In the NBA, they get their hand slapped. Do you think that a NFL player would still be playing after telling the nation on talk radio (Michael Irvin show) that he liked to smoke weed in the offseason??? No, that player (JHo) would not play. In the NBA?? Ah, no big deal.

Bad apples are more easily obtained in the NFL as they are less desirable for the team holding them...

[wmbwinn]

Originally Posted by dalmations202

With Okafor, Dirk can't be doubled on the perimeter near as easily.

They would be able to play any style much easier.

Okafor wouldn't have to be the #1 option either. I can't imagine how he would blossom with the attention that has to be paid to Dirk.

Dirk needs rest, bring in Diop, and move Okafor to PF.

With this scenerio.
You have your shooter in JET. You have your penetrating and controlling PG in Kidd. You have a (well I have seen it before he was the number 2 option) slasher in JHo. You have a perimeter defender in Wright (I hope) - who can slash a little and knock down the 3. You have an inside force who can defend the rim in Okafor. You have a backup defend the rim and pick up the trash guy in Diop. And of course, you have your superstar in Dirk.

They would be as well, if not better rounded than NO and Utah (which are both very well rounded teams -- they are just not quite experienced or talented enough; which they may be this year).

Agree with you. Okafor is exactly the type player that would turn Dallas into immediate contenders for the Championship, not just the playoffs.

[wmbwinn]

Originally Posted by dalmations202

Lakers became Great with Gasol who is only a moderate inside force.

Boston has Garnett.

NO has West.

Utah has Boozer.

Houston has Yao.

SA has Duncan.

Pho has Shaq and Amare (although they need an outside shooting Big, and Shaq to be Amare's backup now, IMO).

Philly can go inside to Brand now.

Orlando has DHoward.

Portland has Oden.

Detroit has RWallace to keep teams honest.

Cavs have Big Z (although he is not really an inside player, but is enough when healthy to keep the bigs from doubling LBJ and continually knocking him to the ground)

Dallas uses Dirk there sometimes, but it is not Dirk's Strength........Why not get that player if they can??????????????????

They have already lost out on JO and Brand. Who else is available that they can have a shot at?

Beautiful summary. The player you listed with each team above is a substantial reason why each listed team is a contender. Each team has a low post scorer. Give Dallas a low post scorer, and Dirk cannot be doubled anymore...

[mbaur]

twolves want trade kenny thomas (18 Mio the next 2 year) to become salary for the next year. eventually the only possible trade involved damp .. thomas/artest for damp/stack/and one other year contracts (george, allen, lue ....) so next year they become up to 15 mio salary (only damp have multiyear...)

and than i am dreaming about : okafor/richardson for thomas/josh or terry

diop/okafor
nowitzki/bass
artest/wrigth
richardson/green
kidd/barea

[sike]

^^I don't really like moving Damp and being stuck with only one authentic big....we've tried that tune.

[yao1860]

we want to get ,but tah's not a easy thing......

[DevinHarriswillstart]

I'd say the Mavs have a better shot at landing Gerald Wallace then they do Okafur.

Stack/Bass for Wallace....pleaseeeee.

[horse900703]

I dont think thats a good idea.

[mbaur]

Originally Posted by sike

^^I don't really like moving Damp and being stuck with only one authentic big....we've tried that tune.

OK. The last move Okafor for Kaman .. we get a athletic big man an LAC get a PF (Camby/Okafor not so similar than Camby/Kaman).

Good Idea? And how can it become reality?

[mqywaaah]

Originally Posted by MavsX

I don't own socks.





.....just kidding.

Good. Then it'll be a good and juicy meal for UD. Just like eating a ripe pomelo.

[mqywaaah]

Why can't we not let go of Bass? I know he's a solid trading piece, but we'd have to think abt the Mavs. Future-wise.

[stewartj]

Just for fun:

Mavs trade,
Dampier (11.5 mil)
Stack (7 mil)
J-Ho (9.95 mil)
Eddie Jones (2 mil)

Bobcats trade:
Okafor (12 mil SnT)
Wallace (9.5 mil)
Nazr Mohammed (6 mil)
Matt Carrol (5 mil)

The Bobcats get rid of all of their longest contracts gaining increased cap flexibility next year and more in 3 when Damp expires. They also arguably upgrade their center position and depth at the sg while also getting a hometown product in Howard.

Mavs get the low post presence they've always needed to pair with Dirk. Also get a hyper-athletic, better d-playing 3 and consolidate their backups at the 2. Nazr should be a more than capable 3rd center to strengthen the front-line.

If I were the Mavs I'd do this deal in a heartbeat, but I think the Bobcats wouldn't go for it unless they got picks/money/bass.

[MaVs 41 BaLler]

^^^^
No No

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by stewartj

Just for fun:

Mavs trade,
Dampier (11.5 mil)
Stack (7 mil)
J-Ho (9.95 mil)
Eddie Jones (2 mil)

Bobcats trade:
Okafor (12 mil SnT)
Wallace (9.5 mil)
Nazr Mohammed (6 mil)
Matt Carrol (5 mil)

The Bobcats get rid of all of their longest contracts gaining increased cap flexibility next year and more in 3 when Damp expires. They also arguably upgrade their center position and depth at the sg while also getting a hometown product in Howard.

Mavs get the low post presence they've always needed to pair with Dirk. Also get a hyper-athletic, better d-playing 3 and consolidate their backups at the 2. Nazr should be a more than capable 3rd center to strengthen the front-line.

If I were the Mavs I'd do this deal in a heartbeat, but I think the Bobcats wouldn't go for it unless they got picks/money/bass.

If the Bobcats would do it (and I don't think they would), you would have to do this one as a Mav FO.

Young Center who can play inside in Okafor who is a little short, but makes up for it with length and size. His game is inside, and he would keep Dirk from being doubled by a big. He is also a shot blocker. (IMO -- he is not a power forward).
You would have a bigger version of JHo in GWallace, probably a little less offense, but a little more Defense.
You would get a shooter in Carrol, and a backup Big in Nazr.

Charlotte would get rid of some contracts, but take back Damp's and keep JHo. The still seem like they are a PF short with the trade, but if May could stay healthy, they could be pretty good in the half court offense.

With that said, I doubt Charlotte would do it.

Kidd, Terry, Wright/Green, GWallace, Dirk, Okafor, Diop ----- that would be very solid and possible championship contender come playoff time. Athletic. Long. Inside and Outside game. Even a little bit defensive.

I'd buy it.

[quietsavant]

Dream

[nikeball]

Originally Posted by dalmations202

SNT -- Damp makes that much.

Add to him something that Brown/Jordan covets (not sure who here), and see what happens.

Jordan did trade Rip Hamilton for Jerry Stackhouse..

maybe he will want him again!

[SMC0007]

We should try to get Okafor

[LSMF]

Get it done Mark Cuban!! Get us our inside presence! The time is Now!!

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archiv...rom_charlotte/
Okafor Ready To Move On Away From Charlotte


Jul 22, 2008 10:57 AM EST

A source with knowledge of the negotiations says Emeka Okafor is ready to move on, rather than accept what the Charlotte Bobcats have offered long-term for his services.

Okafor would be an unrestricted free agent next summer, but the Bobcats might be inclined to negotiate a sign-and-trade now in order to get value back for him.

[BGMaverick9]

what the heck would we give up though that they'd want?

[MaVs 41 BaLler]

Some stack and damp

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

what the heck would we give up though that they'd want?

It would have to be a Josh Howard, and Bass, and Damp, and maybe Stack for Okafor (SNT) and maybe GWallace.

Frankly, I'd consider it heavily on both sides, IF they don't want to pay Okafor.

Felton, Richardson, JHo, Bass, Damp wouldn't be a horrible lineup in the East.

I just don't know if the Bobcats would take on Damps contract, since that seems to be the issue with paying Okafor. I know LBrown would utilize Damp though.

[MaVs 41 BaLler]

I hate when bass' name pops up in these trades....

[BGMaverick9]

Bass does seem like a stretch on this deal a little...don't know why.
Just when you roll out the specifics, it seems like he is a bit much.

Damp's deal isn't that bad compared to what they would be set in with Okafor's deal I bet.

[dalmations202]

Damp and Bass might get it done for Okafor -- with the bind they are in. I wouldn't bet on it though.

Charlotte needs a PF -- and Bass can score for them. He wouldn't get the burn in Dallas anyway playing behind Dirk -- so it could be a win win.

If it were just a Damp - Bass for Okafor (SNT):
Charlotte:
Felton (DJ), Richardson, Wallace, Bass, Damp

Dallas:
Kidd, Terry, JHo, Dirk, Okafor
Wright, Diop -- maybe Greene with RTerry and Foster learning.

Okafor plays starting C and backup PF. Three man Big rotation. Injury would be the biggest concern.

[stewartj]

I don't see them taking Damp and Bass for Okafor. Why wouldn't they just give Okafor an extra million to make him happy and keep going with what they have? I just can't see anyone taking Damp unless it's to get rid of an even worse contract (Matt Carroll for 5 years).

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by stewartj

I don't see them taking Damp and Bass for Okafor. Why wouldn't they just give Okafor an extra million to make him happy and keep going with what they have? I just can't see anyone taking Damp unless it's to get rid of an even worse contract (Matt Carroll for 5 years).

I'd bet Okafor is asking for 5 years starting at 10M a year. Approx 60-70M total. That is my best guess, although he might be asking for more like 80M.

If they think they are going to lose him anyway, then LBrown can make use of Damp. If they also believe Bass can be a part then who knows.

Damp only has two more years after this one, so he is getting closer. GWallace has 4 after this one, and Carroll as well. If Charlotte doesn't see Okafor as a #1 type player, why would they want to pay him like one. Right now, he is really their #2 or #3 option behind Richardson, and then maybe Wallace or even Felton/DJ Augustin. I just don't see them paying him.

With Damp and Bass though they have a Center and PF coming to them to play with the other three. Now, would they want to do a JHo for Wallace to eliminate a couple of years off the SF contract, IDK. (Depends on what they think of Bass, Wallace and JHo).

Damp has three years total, and they probably aren't looking to score from their center anyway. That is what I am expecting from LBrown. So, can Bass give them enough to offset Okafor on the offensive end? Unknown.

Bass/Damp is not that far off though, when you talk the money that Okafor is going to command. Now, if Okafor develops a little farther --- then he might be worth it. If he has leveled off at 14 and 10 then he probably isn't a max player, and Damp/Bass would be able to give that kind of production. I think Bass would avg at least 14 as a starter, and between the two they would get at least 10 rpg.

I am not sure it would happen, but it isn't as far fetched as some of them that I have thrown out there before, IMO.

Now, Charlotte gets to get a true center who is a career 8 ppg 7.6 rpg guy and a scoring PF where both can be off the books in three years. Dallas gets a 14 ppg 10 rpg guy who can take the double from Dirk. Win, Win.

Maybe Charlotte wants to cut a couple years off the GWallace (19.4,6) contract so they swap for JHO (19.9, 7) who statistically was basically the same player last year. Wallace is younger though by a couple years.


Who knows, it is just a thought.

[Dirkenstien]

Personally I'm kind of hesitant about Okafor. He has some nice qualities but that's a lot of money to commit to a guy who may not be worth it. Since we're in win now mode I say do everything we can to shore up that 2-guard spot and let Damp and Diop do their thing.


Edit:

I would be interested in G.Wallace though. Having him at the 3 and moving Josh to the 2 would be an acceptable alternative to getting Artest. Now who would we give up? Not sure about that.

[BGMaverick9]

To get Wallace and keep Damp and Josh...I'm not really sure I see a match available there.

[Dirkgreatness]

Any way we could get Raymond Felton? I heard that the bobcats have been shopping him.

[Underdog]

Looks like there was no chance in hell of the Mavs being in the Okafor race in the first place...

Bobcats give Okafor team-record $72M deal


CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) - The Charlotte Bobcats are paying big money to keep top rebounder and shot blocker Emeka Okafor.

The Bobcats have come to terms with the restricted free agent on a six-year, $72 million deal, ending a month of negotiations.

General manager Rod Higgins confirmed the deal Tuesday, which marks the biggest contract the Bobcats have given a player since they entered the league in the 2004-05 season.

Okafor was the second overall pick in 2004 and Charlotte's first draft pick. He turned down Charlotte's offer of $12 million a year last year, but settled on the same figure a year later.

Okafor averaged 13.7 points and 10.7 rebounds a game last season.

[dalmations202]

This was the best chance I thought the Mavs had of improving and getting younger, and getting them over the championship hump.

Of course there is always more than one way to skin a cat.

[Dirkenstien]

I think this may actually increase our chances of landing Smith. He and his agent are both seeing that Okafor got paid and Smith is arguably worth at least what Okafor is. I'm guessing Smith wants a deal starting at about 13 mil for six seasons.

Atlanta probably won't want to give that to him and seeing Okafor get paid has only got to strengthen Smith's stance to get paid as well, thus leaving the Hawks with only sign and trade options to resort to. Josh Howard and Bass are probably starting to look pretty good to Atlanta.

[alby]

If it's 13 mil a season, wouldn't we have to add a couple more players along with Howard to make it work?

Howard/Bass is not enough is it?

[Dirkenstien]

Originally Posted by alby

If it's 13 mil a season, wouldn't we have to add a couple more players along with Howard to make it work?

Howard/Bass is not enough is it?

Alby,

DHwillstart just made a post on another thread regarding what it would take with the projected salaries, assuming Smith gets 13 mil we could do a:

Atlanta receives:
Josh Howard
Brandon Bass

Dallas receives:
Josh Smith
Speedy Claxton


Throwing in Eddie Jones may also work if they're interested in his expiring. But this is probably the deal we have on the table for Smith. They've been looking to unload Claxton for a while so this seems like a strong deal...definitely worth considering on their part.

[Dirkgreatness]

Josh/Stack for Smith/Claxton?

[Eman]

Originally Posted by Dirkgreatness

Josh/Stack for Smith/Claxton?

This deal would be too much salary, because of BYC, Childress would only be worth about $6 mill in a trade. That is why Atlanta has to add in Speedy and his $5 mill contract to trade with Smith for Josh/Bass. Both would add to around $11 million.

Howard/Stack would add to 17 mill, and might not be enough talent (although $5 million is a lot that we would be taking off their hands for Claxton).

[mbaur]

I have read, the Bobcats have think about a fife year contract for Diop, befor the Mavs sign Diop..eventually the have to wait four weaks to trade:

Okafor for Diop/Bass

The Bobcat have not to make a big contract and get good value and C/PF Players. The Mavs get a better frontline (eventually the Mavs can trade Okafor for Kaman after all :-)

Then we have space to make an offer to the Hawks for J.Smith/Claxton (Josh/Stack-/+Jones) and also for Ben Gordon from the Bulls (Terry/Jones..)

The Rockets get Artest, if the Mavs don't make big moves the will online a average team behind LAC/NOR/HOU/PHO...

Mavs Roster:

Okafor (or Kaman)/Damp
Dirk/Singleton
J.Smith/Wrigth
Gordon/Green
Kidd/Claxton

[Underdog]

^lol




(also - what puts us behind Phoenix??? Marion is gone, Shaq & Nash are another year older, and they have a huge question mark at head coach...)