Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Go Back   Dallas-Mavs.com Forums > Mavs / NBA > General Mavs Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-26-2004, 08:02 PM   #1
Chiwas
Guru
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 13,363
Chiwas is infamous around these partsChiwas is infamous around these parts
Default Top 50

Top 50 players
Sept. 29, 2004
By Mike Kahn
SportsLine.com Executive Editor


NBA training camps open next week, we have made our way through the positions, so it's time to anoint the top 50 players.


The 2004-05 SportsLine.com top 50 NBA players:

1. Shaquille O'Neal, Miami Heat: To quote Dan Aykroyd from the Blues Brothers, the big fella is on a mission from God. They will challenge in the East.

2. Tim Duncan, San Antonio Spurs: One of the best fundamental 7-footers of all time, he would be effective with his eyes closed. The Spurs should win the West.

3. Kevin Garnett, Minnesota Timberwolves: A truly unique superstar, he took a step further last season; the Timberwolves will challenge the Spurs big-time.

4. Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers: The best open-floor player in the game and one of the best ever. With Shaq gone, now we'll see if he can carry the team.

5. Jermaine O'Neal, Indiana Pacers: His great season was marred by a knee injury late. He's definitely moving to superstar level, but how high can he go?

6. Tracy McGrady, Houston Rockets: The nightmare of last season's flop in Orlando is history, and now we'll see if his talent blends with Yao Ming.

7. Allen Iverson, Philadelphia 76ers: His little body finally gave way last season, but now he's moving to point guard, which should make him even better.

8. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks: The Mavs and Dirk backslid last season, but it should be only a bump in the road for one of the truly great scoring big men.

9. Yao Ming, Houston Rockets: Seemingly every week, Yao became more comfortable as a dominating figure. It should be even more apparent with McGrady on the floor with him.

10. Ben Wallace, Detroit Pistons: Nobody is more emblematic of why the Pistons won the title than Big Ben. He is the prototype blue-collar player who sets the tone of every game.

11. Paul Pierce, Boston Celtics: All the transition of a year ago made life miserable for him, but they should be better and could challenge for the division.

12. Jason Kidd, New Jersey Nets: The only real prototype point guard left, he would be higher were it not for a serious knee surgery.

13. Baron Davis, New Orleans Hornets: His body has been battered, and he showed physical toughness, but the mental toughness to lead and win is still in question.

14. Peja Stojakovic, Sacramento Kings: He is the best pure shooter in the game and a better rebounder than people think, but his postseasons need to improve.

15. Elton Brand, Los Angeles Clippers: Because he plays for the Clippers, nobody seems to notice he is a great scorer, rebounder, decent shot-blocker and one of the best teammates around.

16. Andrei Kirilenko, Utah Jazz: His offensive game is still coming because he is versatile with the ball, but defensively he is one of the best players in the game. A stat man's dream player.

17. Rasheed Wallace, Detroit Pistons: He proved what all of his former employers already knew -- he's a great teammate in all facets.

18. Ron Artest, Indiana Pacers: A little more investigation reflects he really was a problem for the Pacers in the playoffs, and it's a shame because he is the most talented small forward of all.

19. Chris Webber, Sacramento Kings: His numbers were up and down as he lumbered around after knee surgery. His mouth, again, has him in trouble. This is a key season for him to prove he's still a superstar.

20. Ray Allen, Seattle SuperSonics: Ankle surgery, a poorly constructed team and the need for a new contract all have created questions about where this former All-Star is in his career.

21. Vince Carter, Toronto Raptors: Even more so than Allen, Carter has to prove he remains among the best players in the game and has to quite whining about the organization in the process.

22. Kenyon Martin, Denver Nuggets: Now that he has the big bucks and he's playing in the big boys' conference, we'll see how good he really is.

23. Shawn Marion, Phoenix Suns: His name blew through the trade winds all summer, but he's back, and despite his unorthodox game, consistently productive scoring and on the boards.

24. Chauncey Billups, Detroit Pistons: He could be higher, but he struggled most of last season until the Finals. If he's going to be a star, this is the season he will make his mark.

25. Stephon Marbury, New York Knicks: Last season was disappointing in so many ways, yet he's still young enough to prove he should be considered a superstar.

26. Steve Francis, Orlando Magic: Almost precisely the same comments that apply to Marbury fit Francis, but being on a new team with a completely different style coach should help.

27. Zach Randolph, Portland Trail Blazers: A 20-point, 10-rebound guy in his first season as a starter screams talent, but he has a long way to go maturity wise to be an elite star.

28. Lamar Odom, Los Angeles Lakers: He kept raising his level of play all last season, and now he'll be on his third team in three seasons. We'll find out how much he has grown up.

29. Pau Gasol, Memphis Grizzlies: He could be ranked much higher, and if he continues to raise his game, he'll be top 15 next year. But not until he is dominant night in and night out.

30. Richard Hamilton, Detroit Pistons: The new NBA roadrunner with the killer mid-range game keeps coming on. Like backcourt partner Billups, he's on the verge of breaking out.

31. Mike Bibby, Sacramento Kings: Some might believe he should be ranked higher. It's just hard to tell with all of the Kings, who was most disappointing as they failed to get to the conference finals again.

32. Antawn Jamison, Washington Wizards: Last season's best sixth man, he now has a chance to help a young and talented team sneak up in one of the weakest divisions in NBA history.

33. Tony Parker, San Antonio Spurs: He was fabulous until Game 3 of the conference semifinals, then the roof caved in. He's still only 22, so he'll keep getting better.

34. Sam Cassell, Minnesota Timberwolves: He's coming off an All-Star season -- the best of his career -- but his body broke down, and he's going to be 35, so it's hard to tell how much he has left.

35. Michael Redd, Milwaukee Bucks: He became an All-Star last season as one of the best shooters in the game and should continue to improve on a young team that's only going to get better.

36. Carlos Boozer, Utah Jazz: He continued to improve all of last season and became a star in his own right. Just how much Zydrunas Ilgauskas and LeBron James had to do with that, well, we'll find out now.

37. Brad Miller, Sacramento Kings: Once again, Miller was exceptional until the All-Star break, then his body went into revolt. They need him for the full season.

38. Jamaal Magloire, New Orleans Hornets: Another first-time All-Star, they'll need more from him offensively now that Jamal Mashburn is out for the season. But most believe he has topped out.

39. Manu Ginobili, San Antonio Spurs: Like his teammate Parker, he's just keeps getting better. And leading the Argentina to a gold medal only helped his confidence and maturity.

40. Steve Nash, Phoenix Suns: The Suns overpaid to get Nash back through free agency, but they needed a leader and he's a great fit. But he has been wearing out the past few seasons and is approaching 31.

41. Richard Jefferson, New Jersey Nets: Lots of people are split on R.J., but he always plays good defense and runs the floor well. He needs to be more dependable on the offensive end.

42. LeBron James, Cleveland Cavaliers: He stunningly exceeded his billing as a rookie, now we'll see what he can do for an encore. Losing Carlos Boozer as a teammate hurts him a lot.

43. Carmelo Anthony, Denver Nuggets: Like James, he exceeded expectations, but he has hit a lot more bumps along the way the past year and needs to prove he can handle the responsibility of being the star he professes to be.

44. Latrell Sprewell, Minnesota Timberwolves: Spree proved he's still a big-game player in so many ways during the playoffs, but like his partner Cassell, age is catching up and it's hard to tell how many he has left.

45. Dwyane Wade, Miami Heat: Now that he has the Big Diesel in the middle, it should help elevate his game even more. But he still needs to be playing shooting guard instead of the point.

46. Corey Maggette, Los Angeles Clippers: A lot of people might not want to give him his due because he's on the Clippers, but he keeps getting better every season playing next to Brand.

47. Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Cleveland Cavaliers: Some might put him higher, but for a player of his size and talent, he is too inconsistent, particularly on the defensive end and on the boards.

48. Amare Stoudemire, Phoenix Suns: Another one of the bright young stars in the game, he's only 21, and he will be playing a lot of center instead of forward when the Suns go into their track-team mode.

49. Michael Finley, Dallas Mavericks: He backslid last season, again with injuries. And with the young guys around him, it will be interesting to see what happens to his minutes and productivity.

50. Gilbert Arenas, Washington Wizards: He suffered through an abdominal injury last season, but he truly is on the brink of stardom, and with Jamison at forward, it will help.

Also under consideration: Antoine Walker, Atlanta Hawks; Marcus Camby, Denver Nuggets; Gary Payton, Boston Celtics; Jason Terry, Dallas Mavericks; Al Harrington, Atlanta Hawks; Theo Ratliff, Portland Trail Blazers.

__________________
Chiwas is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 10-26-2004, 08:08 PM   #2
PepperTheMavsFan41
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 955
PepperTheMavsFan41 is on a distinguished road
Default RE: Top 50

Theres not a GM in the world that takes AI over Dirk.


Most would take him over TMax as well.
__________________
I'm ahead. I'm a man.
I'm the first mammal to wear pants.
I am at peace with my lust.
I can kill cause in god I trust.
It's EVOLUTION baby.
PepperTheMavsFan41 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2004, 08:12 PM   #3
Chiwas
Guru
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 13,363
Chiwas is infamous around these partsChiwas is infamous around these parts
Default RE: Top 50

AI has been way overrated the last couple of years.
__________________
Chiwas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2004, 08:23 PM   #4
EricaLubarsky
Inactive.
 
EricaLubarsky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 41,984
EricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond reputeEricaLubarsky has a reputation beyond repute
Default RE:Top 50

Don't tell Seal.
EricaLubarsky is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2004, 09:25 PM   #5
DubOverdose
Diamond Member
 
DubOverdose's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 4,181
DubOverdose has a brilliant futureDubOverdose has a brilliant futureDubOverdose has a brilliant futureDubOverdose has a brilliant futureDubOverdose has a brilliant futureDubOverdose has a brilliant futureDubOverdose has a brilliant futureDubOverdose has a brilliant futureDubOverdose has a brilliant futureDubOverdose has a brilliant futureDubOverdose has a brilliant future
Default RE: Top 50

All of these rankings SUCK! Billups over Marbury? Manu and 50 billion other not-so-talented players over Nash?
DubOverdose is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2004, 10:08 PM   #6
Phil Helmuth
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 704
Phil Helmuth is on a distinguished road
Default RE: Top 50

Billups= Ring
Marbury= worst team in the league.
__________________
Phil Helmuth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2004, 10:40 PM   #7
Murphy3
Guru
 
Murphy3's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: sport
Posts: 39,422
Murphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond repute
Default RE:Top 50

The overrating of Iverson and Jermaine O'Neal continues.
Murphy3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2004, 11:17 PM   #8
bernardos70
Diamond Member
 
bernardos70's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Miami, FL
Posts: 6,653
bernardos70 has a reputation beyond reputebernardos70 has a reputation beyond reputebernardos70 has a reputation beyond reputebernardos70 has a reputation beyond reputebernardos70 has a reputation beyond reputebernardos70 has a reputation beyond reputebernardos70 has a reputation beyond reputebernardos70 has a reputation beyond reputebernardos70 has a reputation beyond reputebernardos70 has a reputation beyond reputebernardos70 has a reputation beyond repute
Default RE: Top 50

With no end in sight, murphy, with no end in sight....
__________________
Let's go Mavs!
bernardos70 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2004, 02:11 AM   #9
FineCubanCigar
Golden Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 1,661
FineCubanCigar is a glorious beacon of lightFineCubanCigar is a glorious beacon of lightFineCubanCigar is a glorious beacon of lightFineCubanCigar is a glorious beacon of lightFineCubanCigar is a glorious beacon of lightFineCubanCigar is a glorious beacon of lightFineCubanCigar is a glorious beacon of light
Default RE: Top 50

i though Findawgs numbers actually went up last year.
__________________
In Cuban, I Trust
FineCubanCigar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2004, 06:39 AM   #10
4cwebb
Golden Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Tokyo
Posts: 1,904
4cwebb is a glorious beacon of light4cwebb is a glorious beacon of light4cwebb is a glorious beacon of light4cwebb is a glorious beacon of light4cwebb is a glorious beacon of light4cwebb is a glorious beacon of light4cwebb is a glorious beacon of light
Default RE:Top 50

Forget Dirk --- sure, he's 8th. But would any GM in the league trade away Lebron for all 40 players ahead of him? I don't even think there are ten players that fit that category. This guy's rational was questionable in putting together his best-at-each-position lists, and it only got worse when he tried to lump everyone into a big pile.
4cwebb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2004, 08:22 AM   #11
Folterkammer
Member
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: wuerzburg ( germany )
Posts: 487
Folterkammer is just really niceFolterkammer is just really niceFolterkammer is just really niceFolterkammer is just really niceFolterkammer is just really niceFolterkammer is just really niceFolterkammer is just really nice
Default RE:Top 50

iverson puts butts in seats because he can create his own shot like no one else. so damn i would rate him higher than dirk
__________________
come to where the flavour is !
Folterkammer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2004, 08:57 AM   #12
Murphy3
Guru
 
Murphy3's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: sport
Posts: 39,422
Murphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond reputeMurphy3 has a reputation beyond repute
Default RE:Top 50

Quote:
Originally posted by: Folterkammer
iverson puts butts in seats because he can create his own shot like no one else. so damn i would rate him higher than dirk
Great, he can create and miss shots like no one else. But apparently hitting shots really isnt' that important anymore.
And putting 'butts' in seats really shouldn't be taken into consideration in top 50 rankings unless you're ranking the top 50 at putting butts in seats.
Murphy3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2004, 09:04 AM   #13
mavsfanforever
Diamond Member
 
mavsfanforever's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 8,141
mavsfanforever is a glorious beacon of lightmavsfanforever is a glorious beacon of lightmavsfanforever is a glorious beacon of lightmavsfanforever is a glorious beacon of lightmavsfanforever is a glorious beacon of lightmavsfanforever is a glorious beacon of lightmavsfanforever is a glorious beacon of lightmavsfanforever is a glorious beacon of light
Default RE:Top 50

Quote:
Originally posted by: Folterkammer
iverson puts butts in seats because he can create his own shot like no one else. so damn i would rate him higher than dirk
That logic would have to put Vince Carter at the top.
__________________
BELIEVE IT.
mavsfanforever is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2004, 10:04 AM   #14
Eman
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Dallas
Posts: 648
Eman is a name known to allEman is a name known to allEman is a name known to allEman is a name known to allEman is a name known to allEman is a name known to allEman is a name known to allEman is a name known to allEman is a name known to all
Default RE:Top 50

Damp should be ahead of Ilgauskus and, I believe, Brad Miller.

Marquis will be in this bunch next year
Eman is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:11 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.