Jeremy Lin....

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Aren't you the same guy who constantly harped on Barea as a terrible player, despite his 2+-to-1 assist-to-turnover ratio?

Boy, you can sure cherry pick when you have an agenda.

I never once called Barea a terrible player. You're the one cherry picking. JJB was a big part of our team last year. I thought there were certain matchups where he was exposed and/or shouldn't have seen as much time as he did. But a terrible player? Heck no (and JJB's weaknesses/strengths are different than Lin, so I'm not sure what your point is).

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by CadBane

I never once called Barea a terrible player. You're the one cherry picking. JJB was a big part of our team last year. I thought there were certain matchups where he was exposed and/or shouldn't have seen as much time as he did. But a terrible player? Heck no (and JJB's weaknesses/strengths are different than Lin, so I'm not sure what your point is).

Wow...just, wow. You gave me about a two-year workout, defending Barea against your mean-spirited rants...and now you have a sort of respect for him?

I'm not surprised, on the one hand. But...this does make me giggle...hard.

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Wow...just, wow. You gave me about a two-year workout, defending Barea against your mean-spirited rants...and now you have a sort of respect for him?

I'm not surprised, on the one hand. But...this does make me giggle...hard.

Like I said, your head must be an...interesting...place to live.

We usually only sparred on JJB because you would defend him tooth and nail no matter the situation and no matter how poorly he played.

[rabbitproof]

Knicks probably losing as Lin has his worst game since arriving.

A loss will be good for them and especially Lin (before the hype gets more insane). Will also force him to protect the ball more.

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Knicks probably losing as Lin has his worst game since arriving.

Yet just now I watch an ESPN highlight on Lin doing good things.

Oh hey, they just showed his stat line on ESPN...guess what was missing? The turnover column!

But ESPN isn't bias, right?

[rabbitproof]

Originally Posted by CadBane

Yet just now I watch an ESPN highlight on Lin doing good things.

Oh hey, they just showed his stat line on ESPN...guess what was missing? The turnover column!

But ESPN isn't bias, right?

He still did a lot of good things in his worst game. 26 points off 18 shots, two treys, four steals. The only glitch is the 9 turnovers.

Don't know what ESPN does. Don't really care.

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

He still did a lot of good things in his worst game. 26 points off 18 shots, two treys, four steals. The only glitch is the 9 turnovers.

Don't know what ESPN does. Don't really care.

And he only had 5 assists and they lost to N.O....at home. Also, he probably shouldn't be taking 18 shots in this kind of game (he did get to the FT line, I know).

You don't care what ESPN does. Other people do. I'm saying flashing his stat line, while ignoring his biggest stat (9 tos) is disingenuous BS.

[Underdog]

And the Knicks slip under .500 again after losing to the Western Conference-worst New Orleans Hornets.

The national media wouldn't give a crap about "Linsanity" if it had happened anywhere other than the most overrated city on the planet (great story, don't get me wrong, but NYC is just so damn full of itself that even a wet fart is perceived as the equivalent to dropping a nuclear bomb...)

[xrobx]

let's send them to two losses in a row on sunday.

[b_o_r]

Love the Lin story because it is needed with the poor basketball that has been on display, but I read an interesting tidbit in the Metro:

Carmelo has been tagged as a ball hog but on average he takes one less shot per game than Lin has taken during his meteoric rise. Remind you, Lin is the point guard and Carmelo is the Small forward.

[Scoobay]

Originally Posted by b_o_r

Love the Lin story because it is needed with the poor basketball that has been on display, but I read an interesting tidbit in the Metro:

Carmelo has been tagged as a ball hog but on average he takes one less shot per game than Lin has taken during his meteoric rise. Remind you, Lin is the point guard and Carmelo is the Small forward.

that certainly is a lot of shots/game but i think some context would balance things out here...

most of these games have been played without their starting SF (melo) and starting PF. who else was going to take those shots? Bill Walker?

Lin is shooting almost 50% from the field. Melo is shooting how well this year? just below 40%. Melo has definitely had better years - career 45-46%.

I haven't seen all his games. Probably there are times he forces things, but from what i've seen he often makes good decisions on pass/shoot. Can't say i've seen him force his shots. Now his passing and TO's however...

[Big Boy Laroux]

Flipped on sportscenter. Very first stat mentioned about Lin? 8 first half turnovers (with footage and turnover analysis by Bowen). Magic also went into the turnovers as well.


He did settle down in second half (1 turnover). Bigger story probably the Knicks going 4-24 from 3.

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

Flipped on sportscenter. Very first stat mentioned about Lin? 8 first half turnovers (with footage and turnover analysis by Bowen). Magic also went into the turnovers as well.


He did settle down in second half (1 turnover). Bigger story probably the Knicks going 4-24 from 3.

Yes, NOW I'm finally seeing it mentioned. It was just funny during the Mavs game, they flashed Lin's boxscore and purposely excluded his turnovers.

At this point it's finally being discussed, so I'm content.

[rabbitproof]

Hope we can make it a double but I really think the loss is good for him - both from a pressure/hype and a examine your game standpoint.

Melo may be back for our game. Think JR Smith is declared out.

[jleefilled]

I was shocked seeing the espn homepage headline "chink in the armor." Maybe I shouldn't have been but it kind of took me off guard.

To update: Espn has sinçe changed the headline to "silver lining" before removing it from the lead story altogether in favor of Dirk and the mavs comeback vs the 76s.

Also, I can't find all the comments for the original lead story. There was a lot of outrage.

Anyhow, sorry to distract from ball. Apparently, this headline was only viewed on espn's mobile site.

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by jleefilled

I was shocked seeing the espn homepage headline "chink in the armor." Maybe I shouldn't have been but it kind of took me off guard.

To update: Espn has sinçe changed the headline to "silver lining" before removing it from the lead story altogether in favor of Dirk and the mavs comeback vs the 76s.

Also, I can't find all the comments for the original lead story. There was a lot of outrage.

Anyhow, sorry to distract from ball. Apparently, this headline was only viewed on espn's mobile site.

http://deadspin.com/5886218/espns-he...-armor-edition

[j0Shi]

I'm a stupid foreigner so could somebody explain to me where the term comes from and why it is used to insult Chinese people?

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by j0Shi

I'm a stupid foreigner so could somebody explain to me where the term comes from and why it is used to insult Chinese people?

Chink in the armor is a phrase used to refer to a weakness. The phrase in and of itself isn't racist by any means.

However, "chink" is a racial slur used against the Chinese/Asians.

Thus using the phrase in relation to Lin can be construed as racist.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by j0Shi

I'm a stupid foreigner so could somebody explain to me where the term comes from and why it is used to insult Chinese people?

It's a racial slur that came about during the Korean-American War - it's a conjunction of "Chinese North Korean" that sprung up when the US army pushed the Korean army so far north that the war was being fought in China, against both Chinese and Korean soldiers. The Americans couldn't tell the difference between the two armies and came up with "chink" as a catch-all to describe the people they were shooting at.

(yeah, most racial slurs are pretty weaksauce when you discover their roots...)

[iella]

Originally Posted by Underdog

It's a racial slur that came about during the Korean-American War - it's a conjunction of "Chinese North Korean" that sprung up when the US army pushed the Korean army so far north that the war was being fought in China, against both Chinese and Korean soldiers. The Americans couldn't tell the difference between the two armies and came up with "chink" as a catch-all to describe the people they were shooting at.

(yeah, most racial slurs are pretty weaksauce when you discover their roots...)

Huh... as a Chinese person, I had no idea. Interesting history lesson, I suppose. +1

[Big Boy Laroux]

Wow! That is a horrible lack of judgment.

[j0Shi]

Thanks guys

[twistaeffect2004]

Lin vs. the champs:

28 points, 14 assists, 4 rebounds, 5 steals, 1 block, 7 turnovers

11-20 FG

3-6 3FG

Time to start accepting this is real. He carried the Knicks the whole game.

[xrobx]

All he does is Lin.......

the myth that he can't shoot is debunked

[bigcat]

what impresses me most about lin: he's humble and seems level headed. in the interview right after the game, he gave major pops to novak and jr smith, can described himself as "learning from my mistakes". that attitude is more significant than his stat line.

i am pretty sure lin does not give a rat ass about "making doubters eat crow", but as a lin fan, i am quite happy to see him excelling at things certain people say he's bad at. I think the next thing on his to-improve list: turn overs. (7 to don't look nice. but that is in 46 mins work, and his asst/to rate in the game is higher than both mavs ball handler, especially kidd.

[mary]

Originally Posted by bigcat

what impresses me most about lin: he's humble and seems level headed. in the interview right after the game, he gave major pops to novak and jr smith, can described himself as "learning from my mistakes". that attitude is more significant than his stat line.

i am pretty sure lin does not give a rat ass about "making doubters eat crow", but as a lin fan, i am quite happy to see him excelling at things certain people say he's bad at. I think the next thing on his to-improve list: turn overs. (7 to don't look nice. but that is in 46 mins work, and his asst/to rate in the game is higher than both mavs ball handler, especially kidd.

I haven't found a reason to hate on the guy. I agree that he seems very likable.

[SMC0007]

Enjoy!

[mary]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Enjoy!

There should probably be a glass of whine with that.

[CadBane]

Lin didn't impress me at all tonight, despite his gaudy stats.

He should have had around 12-15 turnovers, and I'm not even joking. There were at least 6 or 7 times where the Mavs would deflect one of his passes or poke it away from him only for it to magically end up in the hands of a teammate. I also noticed that in the first quarter he got away with some blatant travels. He does a move where he moves with the ball before taking a dribble. It's very unnatural and obvious, so I don't know why it isn't called.

Stern has already realized that Lin is a goldmine and he is getting Superstar calls on both ends of the court. It's ridiculous the calls this kid gets. Several of his "steals" were blatant reach-ins (most notably the one at the end on Dirk). You breathe on him or he gets too pressured, foul.

He hit several BS flukish jumpers tonight as well.

It can be pretty easy to get your assists padded when Steve Novak goes HAM. He played a good game, but I wasn't wowed. Regardless, Stern & the league are going to milk this cash cow for all he's worth, so I guess I'll have to get used to it.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by CadBane

Lin didn't impress me at all tonight, despite his gaudy stats.

He should have had around 12-15 turnovers, and I'm not even joking. There were at least 6 or 7 times where the Mavs would deflect one of his passes or poke it away from him only for it to magically end up in the hands of a teammate. I also noticed that in the first quarter he got away with some blatant travels. He does a move where he moves with the ball before taking a dribble. It's very unnatural and obvious, so I don't know why it isn't called.

Stern has already realized that Lin is a goldmine and he is getting Superstar calls on both ends of the court. It's ridiculous the calls this kid gets. Several of his "steals" were blatant reach-ins (most notably the one at the end on Dirk). You breathe on him or he gets too pressured, foul.

He hit several BS flukish jumpers tonight as well.

It can be pretty easy to get your assists padded when Steve Novak goes HAM. He played a good game, but I wasn't wowed. Regardless, Stern & the league are going to milk this cash cow for all he's worth, so I guess I'll have to get used to it.

Don't you have some medicine that needs taking?

[mcsluggo]

Originally Posted by CadBane

Lin didn't impress me at all tonight, despite his gaudy stats.

He should have had around 12-15 turnovers, and I'm not even joking. There were at least 6 or 7 times where the Mavs would deflect one of his passes or poke it away from him only for it to magically end up in the hands of a teammate. I also noticed that in the first quarter he got away with some blatant travels. He does a move where he moves with the ball before taking a dribble. It's very unnatural and obvious, so I don't know why it isn't called.

Stern has already realized that Lin is a goldmine and he is getting Superstar calls on both ends of the court. It's ridiculous the calls this kid gets. Several of his "steals" were blatant reach-ins (most notably the one at the end on Dirk). You breathe on him or he gets too pressured, foul.

He hit several BS flukish jumpers tonight as well.

It can be pretty easy to get your assists padded when Steve Novak goes HAM. He played a good game, but I wasn't wowed. Regardless, Stern & the league are going to milk this cash cow for all he's worth, so I guess I'll have to get used to it.

man.. you are getting ridiculous.

you've laid down the marker that the Lin hype is exccessive.. fine. duly noted and appreciated.

Although, you don't HAVE to beat the OPPOSITE dead horse until it is blood pudding.

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by mcsluggo

man.. you are getting ridiculous.

you've laid down the marker that the Lin hype is exccessive.. fine. duly noted and appreciated.

Although, you don't HAVE to beat the OPPOSITE dead horse until it is blood pudding.

Lmao. Hi pot...meet kettle.

[rabbitproof]

CadBane is just a hater. Still think Lin is a decent rotational player perhaps?

Per CadBane, his turnovers should've been higher, his assists were lucky, his steals were lucky and his jumpers were BS. Apparently, this whole game was just bad luck and not impressive at all despite somehow having played a "good game".

Lin keeps shooting the jumpers and has been decent at making at them. He has some misses because he has to take the shot at the end of the clock but all in all, it's not the weakness you tried to make it out to be earlier ("very poor").

His turnovers remain a problem individually but work in the team context (45 minutes, 95% of the ball handling and given usage, etc). His per minute turnovers were lower than Kidd's for example.

It's just hilarious. Anybody with an basketball eye sees a very good young player who is improving and has potential to be great. CadBane sees a lucky should-be-backup who just has "good games".

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

CadBane is just a hater. Still think Lin is a decent rotational player perhaps?

Per CadBane, his turnovers should've been higher, his assists were lucky, his steals were lucky and his jumpers were BS. Apparently, this whole game was just bad luck and not impressive at all despite somehow having played a "good game".

Lin keeps shooting the jumpers and has been decent at making at them. He has some misses because he has to take the shot at the end of the clock but all in all, it's not the weakness you tried to make it out to be earlier ("very poor").

His turnovers remain a problem individually but work in the team context (45 minutes, 95% of the ball handling and given usage, etc). His per minute turnovers were lower than Kidd's for example.

It's just hilarious. Anybody with an basketball eye sees a very good young player who is improving and has potential to be great. CadBane sees a lucky should-be-backup who just has "good games".

Nice Straw-Man, dumbass.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

CadBane is just a hater. Still think Lin is a decent rotational player perhaps?

Per CadBane, his turnovers should've been higher, his assists were lucky, his steals were lucky and his jumpers were BS. Apparently, this whole game was just bad luck and not impressive at all despite somehow having played a "good game".

Lin keeps shooting the jumpers and has been decent at making at them. He has some misses because he has to take the shot at the end of the clock but all in all, it's not the weakness you tried to make it out to be earlier ("very poor").

His turnovers remain a problem individually but work in the team context (45 minutes, 95% of the ball handling and given usage, etc). His per minute turnovers were lower than Kidd's for example.

It's just hilarious. Anybody with an basketball eye sees a very good young player who is improving and has potential to be great. CadBane sees a lucky should-be-backup who just has "good games".

Yes, he passes the eye test. Idk how great he can be but I have long believed he had what it takes to be a starter. Kinda sucks that he tore us up so bad and our best defender couldn't deal with him.

Where is Jthig? Haven't seen him in here in a while.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Yes, he passes the eye test. Idk how great he can be but I have long believed he had what it takes to be a starter. Kinda sucks that he tore us up so bad and our best defender couldn't deal with him.

Where is Jthig? Haven't seen him in here in a while.

I'm here. I don't read this thread much because the current discussion doesn't really interest me.

He's clearly established himself as a viable NBA player, so good for him. You were right about his potential. It's still ridiculous for people to clamor to replace a current rotation player with a Summer League walk on.

[xrobx]

Originally Posted by jthig32

I'm here. I don't read this thread much because the current discussion doesn't really interest me.

He's clearly established himself as a viable NBA player, so good for him. You were right about his potential. It's still ridiculous for people to clamor to replace a current rotation player with a Summer League walk on.

it was ridiculous for us to pass up a talented guy like robert traylor to get some 7 foot project from germany. Sometimes you have to take chances in this league and the writing was all over the wall with Lin

that said, if I could go back and give him barea's job, I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do anything to jeopardize the championship we just won. But I'd take him over roddy and dojo any day.

[Big Boy Laroux]

I know the move cad is talking about, where Lin seems to move before dribbling. It looked funny to me so I replayed of bunch of them when i noticed them. Believe it or not, he actually did keep his pivot foot (at least on the ones i replayed). It just looks funny because his upper body is moving quite a bit.

He still goes into the air WAY too much. That's going to burn him in the long run, but it's something that can be changed. NBA vet guards (like Nash and Kidd) are great and driving, and then keeping their dribble alive if nothing is there. This kid is basically a rookie (he may still be classified as one, not sure).

All that being said - Cad, you're insane to call all of this luck. Did novak getting hot help his assist numbers? It maybe added one or 2. But an assist is an assist - Nash, Kidd, Rondo, Paul, etc all get assists like that, too.

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

I know the move cad is talking about, where Lin seems to move before dribbling. It looked funny to me so I replayed of bunch of them when i noticed them. Believe it or not, he actually did keep his pivot foot (at least on the ones i replayed). It just looks funny because his upper body is moving quite a bit.

He still goes into the air WAY too much. That's going to burn him in the long run, but it's something that can be changed. NBA vet guards (like Nash and Kidd) are great and driving, and then keeping their dribble alive if nothing is there. This kid is basically a rookie (he may still be classified as one, not sure).

All that being said - Cad, you're insane to call all of this luck. Did novak getting hot help his assist numbers? It maybe added one or 2. But an assist is an assist - Nash, Kidd, Rondo, Paul, etc all get assists like that, too.

It would be insane to call all of it luck....

Good thing I never did that.

[twelli]

CadBane is setting himself up for the moment Lin hits the rookie/sophomore wall, so he can say "I told you so!" Brilliant. Keep on waiting.

At some point everyone who follows basketball should be able to see the talent and the greatness of what Lin has done over the last two weeks.

I wonder how much Lin's amazing confidence has to do with D'Antoni's approach of keep him playing despite the tons of turnovers he commits and how much this approach could have helped the development of Devin Harris and Roddy.