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mavsfan1000 · 02-15-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Just in case it hasn't been said yet...

Is this topic really thread-worthy?

lol

SMC0007 · 02-15-2010, 02:49 PM

(((BOATS AND HOES)))

GermanDunk · 02-15-2010, 02:50 PM

@ Stress:
You are right, but you can´t handle it another way with 20k+ users... You must know that the board is designed for a very special group of earthlings. What do you need friends for when you have to spread around ? When you are sports addicted, you don´t need to meet other humanoids, you don´t need a sexlife, because it sucks the power you need for watching sports from unathletic people and gives it to women. And the most important point: We have opened 24/7 !

alexamenos · 02-15-2010, 03:01 PM

I think every thread that evolves into a deep, long discussion should have four sub- threads:

-The first should be a Cliff's notes type of thing where the most cogent arguments are boiled down into few simple posts and all interesting links are put into another post;

-The second sub-thread should do basically the same thing except with really small words and cartoons and stuff, so that rockets fans can follow along;

-The third sub-thread should catalog all the modestly funny and irrelevant and useless stuff that finds it way into the discussion so that I can get some recognition;

-the fourth sub-thread should have naked pics of the female members of U'dogs family, so i'll have something to do when I'm bored at work.

I'd appreciate it if the mods would get to work on this important project.

kg_veteran · 02-15-2010, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by alexamenos

I think every thread that evolves into a deep, long discussion should have four sub- threads:

-The first should be a Cliff's notes type of thing where the most cogent arguments are boiled down into few simple posts and all interesting links are put into another post;

-The second sub-thread should do basically the same thing except with really small words and cartoons and stuff, so that rockets fans can follow along;

-The third sub-thread should catalog all the modestly funny and irrelevant and useless stuff that finds it way into the discussion so that I can get some recognition;

-the fourth sub-thread should have naked pics of the female members of U'dogs family, so i'll have something to do when I'm bored at work.

I'd appreciate it if the mods would get to work on this important project.

I'll have sike get to work on this immediately.

Underdog · 02-15-2010, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by alexamenos

-the fourth sub-thread should have naked pics of the female members of U'dogs family, so i'll have something to do when I'm bored at work.

Do you enjoy puking while you're bored at work?

FINtastic · 02-15-2010, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Do you enjoy puking while you're bored at work?

These family pics sound pretty kinky...

tcat075 · 02-15-2010, 03:05 PM

I know I don't want this board to turn into db.com. That place has 3 threads to discuss Matt Carroll's headband. Way too much. I think dallas-mavs might be a little too much on the opposite side, though. I would personally prefer a few more threads, and less books, because honestly, once a thread is 7-8 pages long its really hard to come in and spread your own opinions on the main post of the thread because invariably that same post has been dissected, talked about, and the discussion has moved on to a similar, but different topic. Then your post, which you thought was insightful commentary, turns into rehashed opinions of three or four other users, often without you even knowing it because you didn't take the time to read pages 3 and 4 before posting.

Underdog · 02-15-2010, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

I know I don't want this board to turn into db.com. That place has 3 threads to discuss Matt Carroll's headband. Way too much. I think dallas-mavs might be a little too much on the opposite side, though. I would personally prefer a few more threads, and less books, because honestly, once a thread is 7-8 pages long its really hard to come in and spread your own opinions on the main post of the thread because invariably that same post has been dissected, talked about, and the discussion has moved on to a similar, but different topic. Then your post, which you thought was insightful commentary, turns into rehashed opinions of three or four other users, often without you even knowing it because you didn't take the time to read pages 3 and 4 before posting.

Not much can be done about that with 23,000 posters on this site - everybody has an opinion (and tangents happen).

You can't control what the ball do...

tcat075 · 02-15-2010, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Not much you can do about that with 23,000 posters on this site - everybody has an opinion (and tangents happen).

You can't control what the ball do...

Yes, but they create way too many threads. I guess the bigger problem is that they really don't have any mods that care. But this is dallas-mavs.com, so I'll shut up about db.com.

And by the way...Dirk can control what the ball do.

Underdog · 02-15-2010, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

Yes, but they create way too many threads. I guess the bigger problem is that they really don't have any mods that care. But this is dallas-mavs.com, so I'll shut up about db.com.

If you wanna talk about db.com, you'll have to make another thread about it...

mary · 02-15-2010, 03:24 PM

How funny would it be if I merged this with the Lost thread.

bobatundi · 02-15-2010, 03:36 PM

It is difficult to cover all of Basketball 501 in a single thread, you have to admit.

left texas · 02-15-2010, 03:52 PM

bigcat · 02-15-2010, 04:29 PM

how about we put a page limit on the thread?

any discussion longer than, say, 7 pages will necessitate a new thread?

SMC0007 · 02-15-2010, 05:17 PM

It doesn't take a brain seargent to know why this board struggles!

GermanDunk · 02-15-2010, 05:28 PM

Wat is conjugate verbs ?

Murphy3 · 02-15-2010, 06:09 PM

Stress, I completely understand your concerns. Here are a few of the issues:
1. Many of the guys that posted heavily at this site no longer do so. They had a huge impact on the quality of the board. And honestly, the board suffers without it.
2. There's not nearly as many interesting threads going on at one time. Now, there's maybe only a couple. A few years back, there might have been 4-5+ strong threads going at any one time.
3. Yes, part of the reason as to why there are fewer threads has been due to a concerted effort by some to "streamline" the forum to meet their needs. Yes, many of the guys that have been around for quite awhile don't like it..but, let's be honest... the guys that put this forum on the map don't really have nearly the same impact on this forum that they once had. Why? Unfortunately, people move on. Personally, I still love dallas-Mavs.com, but I just don't have the time to dedicate to it anymore. I used to have a job in which I worked 70-80 hours a week..but, I would have the freedom to stop down for some Dallas-Mavs.com time just about any time I wanted. That's not the case for me in my current working situation. So yeah, the forum is now ran by a bunch of guys that are iffy on their b'ball and mavs knowledge... but, hey, they're damn good with Tags.

So, it sucks, but it's up to the long time members to actually change it. I accept responsibility for the change... But, I don't necessarily have the time to change what the forum has become.

fluid.forty.one · 02-15-2010, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

Stress, I completely understand your concerns. Here are a few of the issues:
1. Many of the guys that posted heavily at this site no longer do so. They had a huge impact on the quality of the board. And honestly, the board suffers without it.
2. There's not nearly as many interesting threads going on at one time. Now, there's maybe only a couple. A few years back, there might have been 4-5+ strong threads going at any one time.
3. Yes, part of the reason as to why there are fewer threads has been due to a concerted effort by some to "streamline" the forum to meet their needs. Yes, many of the guys that have been around for quite awhile don't like it..but, let's be honest... the guys that put this forum on the map don't really have nearly the same impact on this forum that they once had. Why? Unfortunately, people move on. Personally, I still love dallas-Mavs.com, but I just don't have the time to dedicate to it anymore. I used to have a job in which I worked 70-80 hours a week..but, I would have the freedom to stop down for some Dallas-Mavs.com time just about any time I wanted. That's not the case for me in my current working situation. So yeah, the forum is now ran by a bunch of guys that are iffy on their b'ball and mavs knowledge... but, hey, they're damn good with Tags.

So, it sucks, but it's up to the long time members to actually change it. I accept responsibility for the change... But, I don't necessarily have the time to change what the forum has become.

I believe there's a picture of a nun next to the term "high horse" in the dictionary.

jthig32 · 02-15-2010, 07:12 PM

So harsh Murph, so harsh.

The bottom line is this: After discussing this ad nauseum in the past, we've relaxed on keeping things in threads that already exist. If you want to make a new thread, fine. Whoever started the stupid Barea thread certainly felt fine about it. And all we did was mock the thread.

But honestly, what are we supposed to do about a thread like the Butler thread? It started as a general trade thread. Then the news on Butler specifically accelerated very suddenly, and it very organically became a thread about the Butler trade. Now, we are accused all the time of over-moderating. Should we have shut down that thread and forced everyone to an "Official Caron Butler trade thread" thread? That would strike me as over moderation.

The complaints in the past have been about generic threads where several conversations are going on at once. That is not the case with the Butler thread. It's very focused, it just happens to be very long. So what are we supposed to do? Make a new thread for it every day? Spawn a new thread after a certain post count? That would be stupid.

And honestly, I'm generally completely open to discuss things like this, but starting a complaint thread and then insulting regular posters with crap like "those of us that have a life" is pretty idiotic in my opinion.

Murphy3 · 02-16-2010, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

So harsh Murph, so harsh.

The bottom line is this: After discussing this ad nauseum in the past, we've relaxed on keeping things in threads that already exist. If you want to make a new thread, fine. Whoever started the stupid Barea thread certainly felt fine about it. And all we did was mock the thread.

But honestly, what are we supposed to do about a thread like the Butler thread? It started as a general trade thread. Then the news on Butler specifically accelerated very suddenly, and it very organically became a thread about the Butler trade. Now, we are accused all the time of over-moderating. Should we have shut down that thread and forced everyone to an "Official Caron Butler trade thread" thread? That would strike me as over moderation.

The complaints in the past have been about generic threads where several conversations are going on at once. That is not the case with the Butler thread. It's very focused, it just happens to be very long. So what are we supposed to do? Make a new thread for it every day? Spawn a new thread after a certain post count? That would be stupid.

And honestly, I'm generally completely open to discuss things like this, but starting a complaint thread and then insulting regular posters with crap like "those of us that have a life" is pretty idiotic in my opinion.

What should have been done about the Butler thread? I don't place any blame on a moderator for what occurred there. Someone (including me) should have had the common sense to start a new thread once the trade occurred..but, it's not the fault of a mod. Yeah, it is the problem that Stressboy is talking about.. the fundamental shift in this "community" in what to do when something such as a trade occurs.. or whenever a new idea that's thread worthy pops up inside another thread.. The forum struggles as a whole with something that should be so basic in principle. But it's not any one individual's fault. It is everyone's fault.

FINtastic · 02-15-2010, 07:18 PM

If I could be serious here, I think part of what's happened is that the franchise has kind of gone through two years or so that has kind of lacked in excitement. After a good run starting with the return to the playoffs in 2001 all the way to where this franchise seemed to peak during the 2006 Finals run or the 67 win season, things with the franchise sort of got stale. I wonder if that reflected somewhat on the message board. Threads stopped being created because all there was to talk about was same old, same old.

Dirkadirkastan · 02-15-2010, 07:19 PM

Murph constantly reminds us of these anonymous "long time members" who are supposedly better the members here and now... which is ironic because Murph himself is one of the worst members on the forum.

sike · 02-15-2010, 07:20 PM

it will all come down to the members, not the mods, having the idea to start new threads for fresh ideas and carry on those threads.

Like I said before, very few threads get even to 2+ pages...to act like there are a ton of 10 page threads laying around muddying the waters is just misleading. Those huge threads are the exception and not the rule.

LonghornDub · 02-15-2010, 07:35 PM

Other than having decent forum software (which this site does--in fact, for my money it has the best forum software available), the only thing that makes a forum good or bad is the quality of the posters. We have some great posters here, although I miss some of the guys who used to post more when I started and are no longer around much. But I couldn't give two you-know-whats whether there are several threads or a single thread for a given topic.

chumdawg · 02-15-2010, 07:51 PM

I'm not sure I agree with Stressboy that the conversation tends to stay in one big thread. Looking back at the last month or so in the General Mavs section, I see lots and lots of threads discussing varied topics.

ShaggyDirk · 02-15-2010, 07:55 PM

I love myself.

Bayliss · 02-15-2010, 07:57 PM

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Murph constantly reminds us of these anonymous "long time members" who are supposedly better the members here and now... which is ironic because Murph himself is one of the worst members on the forum.

Your sig sums it up.

I miss the old days too. I miss Hoopsmeister, Dooby, etc etc. I'm one of the earliest members on the forum. But for those are constantly whining about the state of the board... why not suck it up and actually contribute to the board and try and make it better? If you tired of the discussion, then start your own discussion. If you tired of cerrtain topics... then start your own damn topics.

But this constant b*tching about the past versus the present is riduculous.

Rhylan · 02-15-2010, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

Your sig sums it up.

I miss the old days too. I miss Hoopsmeister, Dooby, etc etc. I'm one of the earliest members on the forum. But for those are constantly whining about the state of the board... why not suck it up and actually contribute to the board and try and make it better? If you tired of the discussion, then start your own discussion. If you tired of cerrtain topics... then start your own damn topics.

But this constant b*tching about the past versus the present is riduculous.

Word. All I'm saying is, unless it's a mid-season-trade-becomes-official type of event, a thread going over 7 or 8 pages isn't going to attract me because I don't have the time I once had to read every post and contribute a new angle or respond consistently.

I was 21 when I joined the board and I'ma be 30 in a few weeks. So obviously I have a lot of other things to do compared to when I started out. Back in the day I could sit back and read the CBA front to back, and talk to y'all about the 9 different ways we could get rid of Howard Eisley.

fluid.forty.one · 02-15-2010, 09:38 PM

Shouldn't this be in a different sub-forum?

FINtastic · 02-15-2010, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

Shouldn't this be in a different sub-forum?

Maybe we should start a new thread to discuss this.

fluid.forty.one · 02-15-2010, 09:41 PM

Honestly though, if you guys want lots of threads talking about either the same things or lots of unimportant things, go on down to dallasbasketball.com. You'll love it there.

Personally, I love D-M.com.

SMC0007 · 02-15-2010, 09:45 PM

^ It's so chaotic there(db.com). I came back. I didn't know "who's who". I couldn't trust anyone and no one listened to me. I felt so... alone. And it was cold.

92bDad · 02-15-2010, 11:02 PM

Agree with Stress on this one.

One thread does not fit all...some, many topics are better handled with multiple conversations.

But hey, this is still a cool message board...typically these threads that turn into novels we can skip nearly all of the pages, read that last page and respond.

You might say this board is like a soap opera, you can watch one episode a year and still know what's going on :-)

alby · 02-15-2010, 11:40 PM

I thought this thread was going to be about a new banner for the board...

EricaLubarsky · 02-15-2010, 11:58 PM

One thread may not fit all, but neither does one forum. If you dont like how we do things, its a free internet and as other people have said, you dont have to post or view this forum. Go elsewhere. I long for the old days of Sike and Xerxes homo...whatever relationship, etc etc but this is my forum and I like it. Do I think I own it and want other people to change to better fit my mood? Hell no. I mean there are organizational issues like posting a stupid thread in the Mavs section when it should be in the "D-M.com stuff" section but other than that post...I find this to be the best forum out there and there is very minimal moderation considering other forums I write on.

If you dont like it, don't whine-- go to DB or realgm or Yahoo or any other forum. DM.com is as good as its every been other than the loss of some wonderful posters. If you want to post, I see very few people that have their threads edited or even moved. This out-of-place thread is testament to how laid back the moderation is here.

Make positive change, change forums or stop whining.

Day1MavsFan · 02-16-2010, 12:05 AM

I agree with Stressboy. But there are other factors. One is that some people post way too much. It seems that every stray thought warrants a post, they think. I think a post needs to have substance, or you should save it.

Also, threads seem to change course. When that happens, I wish a moderator would step in and start a new thread for the new course. I get tired of reading a thread I like when it suddenly turns to child-like bickering, and then I find myself going thru page after page trying to get past that to get back to the meat. Of course, it's then more exasperating when I finally get to the end and the discussion never returned to the original interesting topic. I don't like censorship, but it does get annoying.

Underdog · 02-16-2010, 12:26 AM

I love how people who never post here suddenly have an opinion about those who do...

dude1394 · 02-16-2010, 12:44 AM

It is unfortunate that stressboy has to listen to folks bitching about him posting an opinion.

Male30Dan · 02-16-2010, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

It is unfortunate that stressboy has to listen to folks bitching about him posting an opinion.

For the record, I am not trying to pile on the guy, but I do think that his opinion could be better served with action from him rather than the way it was handled. Also, for the record, due to it being so important to me, I read every single page of that Caron thread. I don't like being called a loser for my efforts rather than a committed fan that loves this franchise. That type of "an opinion" can rub people wrong.