Mavs 2012 Draft

[Scott McGuire]

Originally Posted by OneLove22

Also, Stern rigged the lottery.

Come on… you don't really believe that? Do you?

If he wanted to rig it wouldn't he have wanted the Nets to win? Or maybe the Kings to help them stay in Sacramento? Or to the Bobcats so they could be viable. Or, or, or…..

The greatest percentage odds yesterday would be that people would think Stern rigged it. The reason is because it didn't matter who won.

He already sold the Hornets anyway.

The best thing that happened yesterday was that tanking didn't get rewarded. There is no doubt tanking works, but it didn't this year. The Hornets tried all season and never lost on purpose. Monty had them diving on the floor and scrapping to win games while Cleveland, Golden State, and Sacramento looked as if tanking was the strategy. Golden State was especially egregious in it's tanking.

I'm not calling out the Bobcats… they were trying hard, but were the worst team of all time.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Scott McGuire

The best thing that happened yesterday was that tanking didn't get rewarded. There is no doubt tanking works, but it didn't this year.

It's been 8 years since the worst team got the first pick... I understand not rewarding a team that tanks, but what about teams that are just BAD, like the Bobcats? They suck every year, but they never get any better through the draft because they never get a top pick - there's definitely a downside to the lottery system that ASSUMES that all the worst teams are tanking.


EDIT: I should make it clear that I don't think the draft was rigged, I just think it's an unjust system in its current form (nor do I have any ideas on how to fix it).

[b_o_r]

Originally Posted by Underdog

It's been 8 years since the worst team got the first pick... I understand not rewarding a team that tanks, but what about teams that are just BAD, like the Bobcats? They suck every year, but they never get any better through the draft because they never get a top pick - there's definitely a downside to the lottery system that ASSUMES that all the worst teams are tanking.


EDIT: I should make it clear that I don't think the draft was rigged, I just think it's an unjust system in its current form (nor do I have any ideas on how to fix it).

Or you draft Kemba Walker when you already had DJ Augustine and had several of areas of need. Look at some of the players that they passed over. Bobcats have made some poor draft decisions of the years.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by b_o_r

Or you draft Kemba Walker when you already had DJ Augustine and had several of areas of need. Look at some of the players that they passed over. Bobcats have made some poor draft decisions of the years.

Sorry but when you are so bad like the Bobcats were the last thing to do is draft based on need, you take the best talent available period. In not too long Kemba will be better than DJ Augustine.

[b_o_r]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Sorry but when you are so bad like the Bobcats were the last thing to do is draft based on need, you take the best talent available period. In not too long Kemba will be better than DJ Augustine.

A 5'10 inch combo guard is not the best available talent. They just drafted DJ 3 years prior (who had shown signs of coming around as a PG the year prior)and had rid themselves of Stephen Jackson. Why not draft a true SG to replace Jackson like ahem.. Klay Thompson who was chosen 3 picks later.

The Bobcats drafted Brandan Wright over Noah. We aren't going to go into their long list of terrible selections...Wright, Morrison, Sean May...and the list keeps going. The Bobcats aren't terrible because they haven't had a higher draft choice, they are terrible because they've been piss poor at drafting. Some of the talent they have by-pass to draft the "best available talent" instead of need could of had them fighting for a 5th seed in the East.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by b_o_r

A 5'10 inch combo guard is not the best available talent. They just drafted DJ 3 years prior (who had shown signs of coming around as a PG the year prior)and had rid themselves of Stephen Jackson. Why not draft a true SG to replace Jackson like ahem.. Klay Thompson who was chosen 3 picks later.

The Bobcats drafted Brandan Wright over Noah. We aren't going to go into their long list of terrible selections...Wright, Morrison, Sean May...and the list keeps going. The Bobcats aren't terrible because they haven't had a higher draft choice, they are terrible because they've been piss poor at drafting. Some of the talent they have by-pass to draft the "best available talent" instead of need could of had them fighting for a 5th seed in the East.

Kemba isn't a "combo guard" he is a pure PG with very good play making skills, why not draft Klay Thompson who doesn't defend and struggles to create his own shot? Seems simply enough to me, he's a role player. DJ had shown signs of at best being a average at PG, Kemba has much higher upside than DJ who they frankly should trade for a late first rounder if they can.

[Scott McGuire]

Originally Posted by Underdog

It's been 8 years since the worst team got the first pick... I understand not rewarding a team that tanks, but what about teams that are just BAD, like the Bobcats? They suck every year, but they never get any better through the draft because they never get a top pick - there's definitely a downside to the lottery system that ASSUMES that all the worst teams are tanking.


EDIT: I should make it clear that I don't think the draft was rigged, I just think it's an unjust system in its current form (nor do I have any ideas on how to fix it).

72.4% chance rests in the worst 4. Can we agree that this is adequate in compensation for the bottom 4? I think it's fair to give the bottom 4 a near 3/4ths chance.

I personally like the more equal chance these 4 teams get. Tanking and sucking cannot be separated. I understand the need for terrible teams to get better, but we can't dangle a 33% or higher prize to the worst team. If someone like LeBron was coming out the next year people would consider roster moves to improve their chances. If it was 50% or more then it would be begging for tanking.

[OneLove22]

Originally Posted by Scott McGuire

Come on… you don't really believe that? Do you?

If he wanted to rig it wouldn't he have wanted the Nets to win? Or maybe the Kings to help them stay in Sacramento? Or to the Bobcats so they could be viable. Or, or, or…..

The greatest percentage odds yesterday would be that people would think Stern rigged it. The reason is because it didn't matter who won.

He already sold the Hornets anyway.

The best thing that happened yesterday was that tanking didn't get rewarded. There is no doubt tanking works, but it didn't this year. The Hornets tried all season and never lost on purpose. Monty had them diving on the floor and scrapping to win games while Cleveland, Golden State, and Sacramento looked as if tanking was the strategy. Golden State was especially egregious in it's tanking.

I'm not calling out the Bobcats… they were trying hard, but were the worst team of all time.

Well later I realized they won it on the 13.7% chance and I was only seeing that 1% chance they had from the T-Wolves at first. So it isn't too fishy anymore lol.