2020-2021 NBA Season thread

[BPo001]

Green already had one technical foul in the game, from a foolish incident in the first quarter where he benefitted from a questionable call and then kept jawing at Grant Williams anyways for some reason. A second tech would?ve meant an ejection. According to Javie, the refs had to take that into account.

?You have to consider one player has definitely a technical foul,? Javie said. ?Is this enough to call a double T and eject the one player? Personally, I would say nothing and just let it defuse as that.?

Mark Jackson then followed up with Javie to clarify whether a ref is actually taking the fact that Green already had a technical foul into consideration as he?s reviewing the play.

?Absolutely,? Javie said. ?I think that?s part of good officiating is the fact that you have to know who has the technical fouls. And in this situation, one of the players does. Is this enough to warrant an ejection, is what you have to think about.?

[saclare]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Green already had one technical foul in the game, from a foolish incident in the first quarter where he benefitted from a questionable call and then kept jawing at Grant Williams anyways for some reason. A second tech would?ve meant an ejection. According to Javie, the refs had to take that into account.

?You have to consider one player has definitely a technical foul,? Javie said. ?Is this enough to call a double T and eject the one player? Personally, I would say nothing and just let it defuse as that.?

Mark Jackson then followed up with Javie to clarify whether a ref is actually taking the fact that Green already had a technical foul into consideration as he?s reviewing the play.

?Absolutely,? Javie said. ?I think that?s part of good officiating is the fact that you have to know who has the technical fouls. And in this situation, one of the players does. Is this enough to warrant an ejection, is what you have to think about.?

A tech is a tech is a tech is a tech. Consistency is all we ask about, refs. It's up to the player and coaching to not get into a situation that might warrant a 2nd tech.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by saclare

A tech is a tech is a tech is a tech. Consistency is all we ask about, refs. It's up to the player and coaching to not get into a situation that might warrant a 2nd tech.

I agree. CJ McCollum said he agrees though with Javie. He said something like you don?t want the refs to affect the outcome by tossing a player.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by BPo001

I agree. CJ McCollum said he agrees though with Javie. He said something like you don?t want the refs to affect the outcome by tossing a player.

Slippery slope and we've already seen refs able to impact games illegally.

If you earn it, you earn it. I'm sure it all factors in as they don't want to be the reason or have someone point the finger back at them, but damn it's part of the game and these guys get away with so much after the 1st. At some point, the review process would likely have the NBA backing the refs in most circumstances if I had a guess.

And don't get me wrong, plenty of times Luka probably deserved a 2nd tech lol this isn't just a hate on Draymond thing. It's also not great to have kids watching this and emulating. AAU has gotten incredibly heated already with pure competition, and we already have kids and adults in gyms everywhere yelling AND-1 on every drive lol

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by BPo001

I agree. CJ McCollum said he agrees though with Javie. He said something like you don?t want the refs to affect the outcome by tossing a player.

But they don't afford that to Luka. Luka gets one tech and then they have no problem giving him a second.

Draymond screams at them the entire game. Just gotta make sure he doesn't get thrown out? Ridiculous.

[Scoobay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFfS6uDNWhQ

i'll just drop this one here too. i haven't really cared or paid much of any attention to them even throughout their championship runs, etc. But apparently it's nothing new.

no question that GSW have been coached on this "art" of moving screens - it's very subtle, but there's no doubt that they do it on purpose with the screener backing away from the defender but in a direction that gives them a push off to the side and gives Curry or Klay a little extra space to release their shot.

https://twitter.com/_TheWhiteShow/st...WhrTtpgN_yWKTA

this draymond example is more egregious with him basically bodying up every celtic player within 10 feet and pushing them away from Curry.

Not to take anything away from Curry or Klay - they are historic all time great shooters. But I hope the refs are paying attention and noting the ways that they are getting help with illegal screens. It's hard enough chasing someone through umpteen legitimate screens. As a defender though you can't do much if the other guy is allowed to move and actively block you.

[BPo001]

CJ McCollum on Draymond not getting a 2nd technical: "Was it extra - absolutely. Did it deserve a technical - absolutely not, not in the Finals, not in this situation. The referees can't control the outcome of the game... I thought that they handled this situation accordingly."

Here is the link where I found CJ?s comments.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comment...tm_name=iossmf

[BPo001]

In the 3 Finals games Draymond has 15 points and 15 fouls (2 fouled out). His wife also wasn?t happy with Boston fans chanting F Draymond lol. I?m pretty sure I read Draymond was cursing at the press conference while his kid was with him? Unsure on that last part. Dude really puts himself on a pedestal considering he ain?t shit without 2 hall of famers next to him.

[Scoobay]

Originally Posted by BPo001

In the 3 Finals games Draymond has 15 points and 15 fouls (2 fouled out). His wife also wasn?t happy with Boston fans chanting F Draymond lol. I?m pretty sure I read Draymond was cursing at the press conference while his kid was with him? Unsure on that last part. Dude really puts himself on a pedestal considering he ain?t shit without 2 hall of famers next to him.

plus the 2 chips with Durant making that 3 HOF'ers he's played with.

[BPo001]

The Utah Jazz have received permission to interview NBA G League Grand Rapids Gold coach Jason Terry for the franchise?s head coaching job, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium . Terry is also under consideration for assistant positions with other NBA teams. ? via Twitter ShamsCharania

[BPo001]

Delonte West spotted in Virginia

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-news-de...ing-for-money/

[BPo001]

Report: Montrezl Harrell is facing felony drug charges for three pounds of marijuana in vacuum-sealed bags found at a traffic stop in Kentucky, via
@rodboone
.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Report: Montrezl Harrell is facing felony drug charges for three pounds of marijuana in vacuum-sealed bags found at a traffic stop in Kentucky, via
@rodboone
.

I mean it?s just pot but pounds of it can get you years in jail

Bridges posting selfies with joints and lean

Guess it takes drugs to play in Charlotte

[BPo001]

Tatum shitting the bed in the biggest game of his career.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Tatum shitting the bed in the biggest game of his career.

That's the difference between GSW and Boston in this series. It certainly wasn't talent, because Boston has more than enough talent to win. But Tatum seems to be missing something as an alpha. I feel like he'd be much more comfortable as the 2nd option, and he'd be the best 2nd option in the league. Kinda like AD, when he's healthy.

On that note, if I could pick any one player in the league to put next to Luka, it would be Tatum. Tatum is the closest thing in the league today to Scottie Pippen. Dominant two-way wing, and would probably have no problem deferring to Luka.

[Scoobay]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

That's the difference between GSW and Boston in this series. It certainly wasn't talent, because Boston has more than enough talent to win. But Tatum seems to be missing something as an alpha. I feel like he'd be much more comfortable as the 2nd option, and he'd be the best 2nd option in the league. Kinda like AD, when he's healthy.

On that note, if I could pick any one player in the league to put next to Luka, it would be Tatum. Tatum is the closest thing in the league today to Scottie Pippen. Dominant two-way wing, and would probably have no problem deferring to Luka.

yeah tatum 6-18 and 5 TO, but in fairness, Klay also went 5-20. Must be nice to have one of your top two players shoot 25% on 20 shots and still win by 13.

Agree that Tatum seems to lack a certain something. Maybe he'll develop that over the course of his career.

And for anyone complaining about the Mavs drafting, what a whiff by the "process" in taking Fultz over Tatum. Embiid + Tatum - how does that sound? hell I think they'd maybe have been able to live with Simmons' lack of shooting if they had Tatum too. Then the next year they took mikal bridges and traded him ffs. That's one hell of a defensive lineup. Then you just need a pg who can shoot and defend. Embiid, Simmons (play PF on defense), Tatum, Bridges, point guard.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by Scoobay

yeah tatum 6-18 and 5 TO, but in fairness, Klay also went 5-20. Must be nice to have one of your top two players shoot 25% on 20 shots and still win by 13.

Agree that Tatum seems to lack a certain something. Maybe he'll develop that over the course of his career.

And for anyone complaining about the Mavs drafting, what a whiff by the "process" in taking Fultz over Tatum. Embiid + Tatum - how does that sound? hell I think they'd maybe have been able to live with Simmons' lack of shooting if they had Tatum too. Then the next year they took mikal bridges and traded him ffs. That's one hell of a defensive lineup. Then you just need a pg who can shoot and defend. Embiid, Simmons (play PF on defense), Tatum, Bridges, point guard.

Boston owned the first pick in that draft originally. There was an agreement that Philly wouldn?t take Tatum otherwise the deal wouldn?t have gone through. Really it?s the Lakers that blew it and took Lonzo.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Gotta hand it to Curry though. 4x champ, Finals MVP (finally), 2x MVP, 4x all-nba first team, 3x all-nba second team, 1x all-nba third team, 2x scoring champion, 7x 3pt champion. Greatest shooter ever by far.

That's one hell of a legacy, and he's still got several good years left probably. I'm not exactly sure where I'd rank him all time but anything out of the top 15 seems criminal at this point.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Gotta hand it to Curry though. 4x champ, Finals MVP (finally), 2x MVP, 4x all-nba first team, 3x all-nba second team, 1x all-nba third team, 2x scoring champion, 7x 3pt champion. Greatest shooter ever by far.

That's one hell of a legacy, and he's still got several good years left probably. I'm not exactly sure where I'd rank him all time but anything out of the top 15 seems criminal at this point.

Agree - it was only 8 years ago when Barkley said a jump shooting 3pt team would never win a ring. Hate to miss that one Chuck...

[EricaLubarsky]

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Must spread rep

[saclare]

Curry has top be in the top 10 for me, I said it before this finals that if he won this one, it's hard to continue betting against him.

[tap2390]

Curry is top 10. Warriors will be tough to beat the next 2-3 years. Scary to think of the younr talent they have accumulated -- Moody, Wiggins, Kuminga, Poole, Wiseman, pick this year.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Curry is top 10. Warriors will be tough to beat the next 2-3 years. Scary to think of the younr talent they have accumulated -- Moody, Wiggins, Kuminga, Poole, Wiseman, pick this year.

He's not quite in my top 10, but that says a lot more about how insanely hard it is to be top 10 than it says about him. I have Kobe at #10 all time. So to crack the top 10, you have to be better than Kobe freaking Bryant. That is a very tall mountain to climb.

My top 10 in this exact order.

MJ
Lebron
Kareem
Russell
Wilt
Magic
Bird
Duncan
Shaq
Kobe

I'm sure a lot of people today would probably say I have Shaq ranked too high, but I remember vividly the entire league living in fear of Shaq and being at his mercy for the first part of this century. Nobody in my lifetime other than MJ has ever terrified and utterly owned the league the way Shaq did. Not Lebron, not Kobe, not Curry.

I also have KD ranked higher than Curry, and I'm not sure I can rank him above Jerry West or Oscar Robertson either. Maaayyyybe, but I'm not sure. Either way, Steph just misses my top 10.

But there is certainly no shame at all in "only" being #12-14 greatest ever.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Steph's all around game doesn't come anywhere close to his three point shooting. He is one of the greatest three point shooters of all time and basically changed league rules because of it. But everything else is rather mediocre when it comes to superstar standards.

We're talking top 10 here. No way I'm putting him there...yet.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Steph's all around game doesn't come anywhere close to his three point shooting. He is one of the greatest three point shooters of all time and basically changed league rules because of it. But everything else is rather mediocre when it comes to superstar standards.

We're talking top 10 here. No way I'm putting him there...yet.

To be fair, he's not one of the greatest 3pt shooters ever, he's THE greatest shooter ever, and I don't think anyone else comes particularly close. And I wouldn't say that everything else about his game is mediocre either. He's always been an elite ball handler too, and while his playmaking isn't elite by PG standards, it's certainly more than good enough for the way GSW plays. And his rebounding is above average for PG as well. The only part of his game that I would call mediocre is his defense. And in today's NBA, who cares?

But yeah, I still can't justify putting him above Kobe, Shaq, or KD, and I don't think I can put him above West or Robertson either. So for me that puts him #14 all time. Not too shabby.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

To be fair, he's not one of the greatest 3pt shooters ever, he's THE greatest shooter ever, and I don't think anyone else comes particularly close. And I wouldn't say that everything else about his game is mediocre either. He's always been an elite ball handler too, and while his playmaking isn't elite by PG standards, it's certainly more than good enough for the way GSW plays. And his rebounding is above average for PG as well. The only part of his game that I would call mediocre is his defense. And in today's NBA, who cares?

But yeah, I still can't justify putting him above Kobe, Shaq, or KD, and I don't think I can put him above West or Robertson either. So for me that puts him #14 all time. Not too shabby.

I think what gets missed so much as it doesn't hit stat sheets...Curry has to be one of the toughest to guard of all time given how elite he is without the ball and his movement without the ball. I don't think I've seen anyone ever come close to that aspect of the game.

That being said, when names are written out, it definitely presents a tough case for top 10, but easy top 15. I will say Curry is above KD for me personally. Both with careers to finish out yet, obviously.

[tap2390]

Curry over KD for me as well.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by saclare

I think what gets missed so much as it doesn't hit stat sheets...Curry has to be one of the toughest to guard of all time given how elite he is without the ball and his movement without the ball. I don't think I've seen anyone ever come close to that aspect of the game.

That being said, when names are written out, it definitely presents a tough case for top 10, but easy top 15. I will say Curry is above KD for me personally. Both with careers to finish out yet, obviously.

I think you could make a case for Ray Allen, Reggie, Rip Hamilton, and maybe even Klay as players who excel at moving without the ball just as well if not better than Curry. You think Curry is on a whole other level than those 4?

It?s tough for me to say Curry over KD just because I think KD is one of the most physically gifted players we have ever seen. Not many 7 footers that can move, dribble, and shoot like he can. You can?t argue with Steph?s hardware though.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by BPo001

It?s tough for me to say Curry over KD just because I think KD is one of the most physically gifted players we have ever seen. Not many 7 footers that can move, dribble, and shoot like he can.

Durant is Dirk 2.0. Durant is Dirk with to flight athleticism.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by BPo001

I think you could make a case for Ray Allen, Reggie, Rip Hamilton, and maybe even Klay as players who excel at moving without the ball just as well if not better than Curry. You think Curry is on a whole other level than those 4?

It?s tough for me to say Curry over KD just because I think KD is one of the most physically gifted players we have ever seen. Not many 7 footers that can move, dribble, and shoot like he can. You can?t argue with Steph?s hardware though.

Yes. It's exhausting watching Steph play basketball tbh

[Thespiralgoeson]

Curry vs KD is a interesting debate. But I choose KD because when they were teammates for three years, KD was clearly recognized as the better of the two players, and Curry always deferred to KD. They won two titles together, and Durant was finals MVP both times. Also there was a good 3-4 stretch when KD was widely recognized to be the best player in the league. Curry only had one year when he was considered to be the best player- 2016- and then once that 73 win Warriors team got to the finals, Lebron flat out owned Curry and showed the whole world that no, Lebron was still the best player. Also Durant has two more All-NBA first teams, one more 2nd team, and 12 all-stars to Curry's 8. I haven't bothered to look up their numbers head to head, but I know Durant has twice as many scoring titles and of course he's a far better rebounder, being a legit 7 ft, and he's basically as good as Curry as a passer (Durant's passing is a ridiculously underrated part of his game.) Better defender too and it's not close.

The argument at this point for Curry is 2 MVPs to 1 and 4 titles to 2. I can see the argument for Curry's the totality of Curry's accomplishments being higher than Durant's, but when they're both at their peak, I think Durant has usually been regarded as the better player.

[EricaLubarsky]

Hearing a lot of rumors of Capela and a first for Gobert

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Hearing a lot of rumors of Capela and a first for Gobert

Jazz apparently want Hunter too. That would be a poor trade for the Hawks. I really don't even think Gobert is that much better than Capela. Maybe healthier.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Jazz apparently want Hunter too. That would be a poor trade for the Hawks. I really don't even think Gobert is that much better than Capela. Maybe healthier.

Man, I'm so relieved that the Mavs DIDN'T trade for Gobert. I'm not even sure what we'd have to give up to make the trade work salary-wise and for Utah to agree, but I'm certain that he's not worth it. I'll take Wood at 1/3 the price and only giving up #26 100 times out of 100.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Man, I'm so relieved that the Mavs DIDN'T trade for Gobert. I'm not even sure what we'd have to give up to make the trade work salary-wise and for Utah to agree, but I'm certain that he's not worth it. I'll take Wood at 1/3 the price and only giving up #26 100 times out of 100.

Agree 100%. I?m actually glad we got rid of some of the dead weight at the end of the roster to bring in some fresh faces. Loved Boban, but he?s unplayable. Burke was the type of player I like at the end of the bench- able to come in and get buckets, but his contract was too much. Chris and Brown we hardly knew ya.

I don?t watch a lot of Atlanta games, but is Gobert that much better than Capela? They seem like similar players.

[BPo001]

Evan Sidery: The Kings will decide on the clock what offer they accept for Jaden Ivey at No. 4, per @wojespn . Woj also mentions Malcolm Brogdon should be on the move before the draft begins.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Wow, Portland got Jerami Grant for their 2025 pick (Milwaukee's). They used their TRADE exception which somehow the Mavs can never seem to do. Huge win for Portland.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1539729844870733825

This strikes me as something the Mavs could have gotten done with their 26th pick. Would you rather have Grant or Wood? I still pick Wood by a confident margin. Grant is a good defender, but we needed a center.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Wow, Portland got Jerami Grant for their 2025 pick (Milwaukee's). They used their TRADE exception which somehow the Mavs can never seem to do. Huge win for Portland.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1539729844870733825

This strikes me as something the Mavs could have gotten done with their 26th pick. Would you rather have Grant or Wood? I still pick Wood by a confident margin. Great is a good defender, but we needed a center.

I posted in another threat about this, but I?m surprised Detroit couldn?t find a better package for Grant. A 2025 1st from the Bucks is likely going to be in the 20?s. I can?t believe they could get a 1st this year from someone let alone multiple 1sts for Grant. Any they just put it in the TPE?? Agreed, why can?t Dallas ever seem to take advantage of those??

Between the 2 I think I?d rather have Wood. Like you said we need a center. Plus Wood?s contract is expiring if for some reason it just doesn?t work out, but I expect Wood to have a career year. If he can knock down 3?s at 39% again.. shiiiiiiiit watch out

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by BPo001

I posted in another threat about this, but I?m surprised Detroit couldn?t find a better package for Grant. A 2025 1st from the Bucks is likely going to be in the 20?s. I can?t believe they could get a 1st this year from someone let alone multiple 1sts for Grant. Any they just put it in the TPE?? Agreed, why can?t Dallas ever seem to take advantage of those??

Between the 2 I think I?d rather have Wood. Like you said we need a center. Plus Wood?s contract is expiring if for some reason it just doesn?t work out, but I expect Wood to have a career year. If he can knock down 3?s at 39% again.. shiiiiiiiit watch out

Well this hurts the Mavs because now Detroit can offer Brunson whatever he wants. And if the Knicks shed salary, which they likely will, then you have two suitors driving up the price.

I feel I've been one of the only people who think Brunson gets 30 million a year. I said it months ago comparing it to the fact that Lowry got 30 million a year and is now significantly worse. If Detroit or NY offer him 30, then the Mavs have to offer him that. It's that simple.