Players you dont want drafted by the Mavs

[clutch#41]

One guy I want the Mavs to draft is Tim Hardaway Jr. He's really standing out and having a good combine.

[Underdog]

Since this has kind of become the official draft thread...

NBA Combine Day 2: Carlisle, Mavs search for experienced prospects

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CHICAGO -- With a pair of watchful eyes gazing at the court, Dallas Mavericks coach Rick Carlisle stood on the sideline at Day 2 of the NBA Combine’s pre-draft camp workouts seemingly with a plan already in mind.

While he won’t know when his team will be selecting in the draft until next week’s lottery determines the order, Carlisle made it clear that he is already well aware of the talent that figures to fall to the Mavericks in the draft on June 27. And with just six players on the current roster signed through next season, Carlisle is also certain that the Mavs will have several holes to fill in the draft.

“You know, if you look at the history of drafts, which I have in the last couple of weeks, and if you look at the last 10 drafts, there’s a history of being multiple guys 13 and below that turn out to be really good, solid, long-term NBA players. So, you know, there’s value in this draft. Our job is to find it,” Carlisle said while never once taking his eyes off the court as the action continued to happen around him.

Never once leaning in any one direction as the Mavs look to fill positions of need, Carlisle continued to be encouraged that the team will be able to add a Day 1 contributor capable of stepping in right away. And with just three veterans -- Dirk Nowitzki, Shawn Marion and Vince Carter -- and a trio of rookies -- Jared Cunningham, Bernard James and Jae Crowder -- assured to return next season, the need to add an experienced player through the draft is apparent.

“Well, you want to get a guy with as much experience as possible,” Carlisle confessed. “One of the reasons that Crowder was in our rotation most of the year last year and one of the reasons that Bernard James did a good job for us when he played was because those guys had experience and they were older players. I think there’s been a move towards putting a value on maturity and for good reason.”

He added: “There’s a lot of depth at each position in the draft. It appears that power forward has the least number of total players and good players, so the other four positions you’re going to find guys that are capable. And again, it’s whatever your specific needs are and it’s can you find the guy that fits in with what you have. In our case, you know, we have seven open roster spaces at least, so we’re going to be an attractive place for draft choices and free agents.”

With president of basketball operations and GM Donnie Nelson watching above from the top row in the stands and newly-added offensive coordinator Kaleb Canales working the camp on the hardwood, Carlisle and the Mavs figure to leave the combine with plenty of knowledge on the 60 prospects that attended the two-day event. They’ll then use that knowledge to their benefit while scheduling players for private workouts leading up to the draft.

And with a plan in place, the Mavericks will try to use their brain trust to full capacity.

“(Canales) is working the draft combine, so it’s good for us ‘cause he’s getting even closer to these players and has developed kind of a working relationship, so he can bring a certain level of 'intel' on that,” the coach explained. “ And he’s going to be a real good addition for us. You know, I hate losing a guy like (former assistant coach) Jim O’Brien because of his experience, but Kaleb is a different kind of dynamic for our staff. He’s young, energetic and very good, and we’re going to have a lot of young guys on our team, so it makes sense. … I continue to study the draft. We’re going to start having workouts before too long, and it will all go by very quickly.”

[grndmstr_c]

Not surprising that Canales would be playing a prominent role, but after reading that piece I did wonder a bit what role he's been playing for the Blazers in the draft.

[NoTnERb]

I want Dennis Schroeder

[saclare]

I want Hardaway, as well. Where has he been projected to go?

[nowhereman]

Originally Posted by saclare

I want Hardaway, as well. Where has he been projected to go?

In the 20s. I'd be happy with any of the Michigan guys.

[GermanStandard]

Want:

Trey Burke
Tim Hardaway
Caldwell-Pope
Dieng


Do not want:


MCW
Plumlee
Kelly
Muhammad
Whitey

and Dennis Schröder

I live in Germany and have seen him a lot this season (in the arena of course) and i can tell you he is extremely overrated recently.
He is only 19 and has massive potential. But the Mavs need a player with experience who can step in immediately.

Schröder had huge problems against US Point Guards in the German Leauge who could never play in the NBA (College Players who dont even come close to getting drafted).

I think he will make his way in the NBA but he needs at least 2 more years to be ready.

[Bayliss]

Schroeder's comparison is Darren Collison. Just too funny. So the Mavs might be looking at a Fazekas replacement in the second round. And a Collison replacement in the first round. Just too funny.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

Schroeder's comparison is Darren Collison. Just too funny. So the Mavs might be looking at a Fazekas replacement in the second round. And a Collison replacement in the first round. Just too funny.

I assume (or would like to think) you're just laughing at how off some of the player comparisons seem to be. The word on Schroeder is that he is, if anything, too willing a passer in the pick-and-roll game. Any attempt to compare him to DC falls apart right there if that characterization of his tendencies is accurate.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

I really don't think Schroeder will be the Mavs pick. He is just too raw, and his main attributes, quickness and defense, can be found elsewhere.

The mocks are still relatively all over the place, and we won't know who is picked until draft night. Even Noel isn't a lock to be picked number 1.

[Bayliss]

I assume (or would like to think) you're just laughing at how off some of the player comparisons seem to be. The word on Schroeder is that he is, if anything, too willing a passer in the pick-and-roll game. Any attempt to compare him to DC falls apart right there if that characterization of his tendencies is accurate.

The Draft Comparisons are never that accurate. But I just find it funny that two of the prospects are compared to former Mavs.... well make it a third: Gobert who is compared to Bradley.

Just hilarious. Not saying they will be those players. It is literally funny:

Mavs want to replace Collison so therefore draft Collison in the first round. Mavs were so pleased with Fazekas in the second round that year that they draft Fakas again to replicate that accomplishment.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

Schroeder's comparison is Darren Collison. Just too funny. So the Mavs might be looking at a Fazekas replacement in the second round. And a Collison replacement in the first round. Just too funny.

A better comparison is Roddy. He may take off and have a huge cieling but right now he's a guy with good size (like Roddy/unlike DC), good length (like Roddy/unlike DC) that doesnt really know how to run an offense (like DC and Roddy), but can potentially learn. Hell end up somewhere between Roddy and Dwyane Wade, but he's never going to be a Nash or Kidd-type that facilitates first.

[Dtownsfinest]

Originally Posted by Underdog

We'll be fine just as long as Jerry Jones isn't picking...

Well to his credit Jerry has done a lot better of drafting in the first round then we have lol.

[The Ghost of Championship]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

How original. Post count iz all dat matterz guyz.

[mavs413]

[JeffViggiano]

Originally Posted by JeffViggiano

a PG like carter-williams could be good?

i think he has great potential...

maybe i wasn't wrong...thanks to the genius that gives me bad reputation for this idea.

[Budapest Maverick]

There is a very realistic chance that the first game of his career, will turn out to be the best game of his career. He was a very average college player (compared to NBA prospects obviously), and his efficiency is already plumetting.

He is an old rookie, already turned 22, and chances are, he's gonna be a very mediocre starting PG in the NBA, without ever making an all-star game. He is putting up nice numbers on a bad, rebuilding team, you might want to wait a couple years before you crown yourself for your prediction.


Remember Lin last year? He was putting up much better numbers than those, and for a longer time, yet, most knew it won't last. He started out well this year again, but chances are, it won't last. It is very, very rare in the NBA that a player who didn't do anything at a young age will suddenly become a completely different player among the pros.


Some does it, and even make a couple of all-star team, but there is literally nobody in NBA history who wasn't highly touted at a young age, and somehow managed to become a superstar. Talent shows, and it shows early. I know you didn't say anything about Carter-Williams being a superstar, i just added that to the convo.

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

There is a very realistic chance that the first game of his career, will turn out to be the best game of his career. He was a very average college player (compared to NBA prospects obviously), and his efficiency is already plumetting.

He is an old rookie, already turned 22, and chances are, he's gonna be a very mediocre starting PG in the NBA, without ever making an all-star game. He is putting up nice numbers on a bad, rebuilding team, you might want to wait a couple years before you crown yourself for your prediction.


Remember Lin last year? He was putting up much better numbers than those, and for a longer time, yet, most knew it won't last. He started out well this year again, but chances are, it won't last. It is very, very rare in the NBA that a player who didn't do anything at a young age will suddenly become a completely different player among the pros.


Some does it, and even make a couple of all-star team, but there is literally nobody in NBA history who wasn't highly touted at a young age, and somehow managed to become a superstar. Talent shows, and it shows early. I know you didn't say anything about Carter-Williams being a superstar, i just added that to the convo.

That doesn't mean he can't still be a great point guard. He could be a multiple time All Star/All NBA player without having that great of a game ever again.

[JeffViggiano]

Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

There is a very realistic chance that the first game of his career, will turn out to be the best game of his career. He was a very average college player (compared to NBA prospects obviously), and his efficiency is already plumetting.

He is an old rookie, already turned 22, and chances are, he's gonna be a very mediocre starting PG in the NBA, without ever making an all-star game. He is putting up nice numbers on a bad, rebuilding team, you might want to wait a couple years before you crown yourself for your prediction.


Remember Lin last year? He was putting up much better numbers than those, and for a longer time, yet, most knew it won't last. He started out well this year again, but chances are, it won't last. It is very, very rare in the NBA that a player who didn't do anything at a young age will suddenly become a completely different player among the pros.


Some does it, and even make a couple of all-star team, but there is literally nobody in NBA history who wasn't highly touted at a young age, and somehow managed to become a superstar. Talent shows, and it shows early. I know you didn't say anything about Carter-Williams being a superstar, i just added that to the convo.

i did not mean that MCW will be an all star or something like that(but it's possible)...i only said that he had a great potential and for this i received a bad reputation.

[sig]

I think the guy can be a really good player. Just because he is 22 doesn't mean he still can't develop. He has all the physical athleticisn and basketball skills to develop. Philly seems to have found a very good coach for him to leatrn from as well. He's from the Spurs tree, right? I like his chances at being better than just a mediocre player. At his size he can be at SG and there is nothing wrong with a SG who do all the things he can do.

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

There is a very realistic chance that the first game of his career, will turn out to be the best game of his career. He was a very average college player (compared to NBA prospects obviously), and his efficiency is already plumetting.

He is an old rookie, already turned 22, and chances are, he's gonna be a very mediocre starting PG in the NBA, without ever making an all-star game. He is putting up nice numbers on a bad, rebuilding team, you might want to wait a couple years before you crown yourself for your prediction.


Remember Lin last year? He was putting up much better numbers than those, and for a longer time, yet, most knew it won't last. He started out well this year again, but chances are, it won't last. It is very, very rare in the NBA that a player who didn't do anything at a young age will suddenly become a completely different player among the pros.


Some does it, and even make a couple of all-star team, but there is literally nobody in NBA history who wasn't highly touted at a young age, and somehow managed to become a superstar. Talent shows, and it shows early. I know you didn't say anything about Carter-Williams being a superstar, i just added that to the convo.

He's already had a few similar games. His first game wasn't a season high for points, assists or rebounds. He just put up a 29 point 7 steal 6 rebound game on Indiana of all teams on 55% shooting.

[Melonhead]

Didnt feel like starting a thread, but if the Bulls start dumping players for cheap this season, is there anyone you'd like to see the Mavs jump on?

[markus1234]

Noah and Deng.

[Vinsanity]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Didnt feel like starting a thread, but if the Bulls start dumping players for cheap this season, is there anyone you'd like to see the Mavs jump on?

Only player I'd want from Chicago is Joakim Noah... But I doubt we have the assets to acquire him. They'd probably ask for way too much, so it probably couldn't happen. But imagine our lineup with Noah instead if Dalembert...

[dude1394]

Chicago is really snakebite. They paid a gazillion dollars to rose and now it is dead money. Ouchie

[JeffViggiano]

Originally Posted by markus1234

Noah and Deng.

easy quote