Now what?

[Melonhead]

Suns are matching. Darn. I was hoping to see the chaos of Ayton v Carlisle.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Suns are matching. Darn. I was hoping to see the chaos of Ayton v Carlisle.

I was actually looking forward to seeing an Ayton/Halliburton tandem. Mostly just looking forward to PHX losing an asset for nothing.

[Amarelooms]

Hardy looks like trash. He young so maybe 2-3 years can play. Don?t even think put him on the roster.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by Amarelooms

Hardy looks like trash. He young so maybe 2-3 years can play. Don?t even think put him on the roster.

Pretty sure they already signed him to a contract, so he should be on the bench.

[Amarelooms]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Pretty sure they already signed him to a contract, so he should be on the bench.

He needs play at lower level not sit and watch.

[twistaeffect2004]

Hardy looks awful. Harding deserves a spot in this team, not Hardy.

[Dtownsfinest]

Originally Posted by twistaeffect2004

Hardy looks awful. Harding deserves a spot in this team, not Hardy.

Yeah.....there's a few guys who have simply looked better than him including Harding.

[tap2390]

There are a couple of guys at 37 I would have considered over Hardy -- JD Davidson, Kendall Brown, Moussa Diabate, and Kennedy Chandler.

Obviously it's very early, but it's going to hurt if those guys pan out and Hardy doesn't.

[MFFL]

I would have picked E.J. Liddell but now he's out for the year with an ACL

[Dtownsfinest]

Originally Posted by tap2390

There are a couple of guys at 37 I would have considered over Hardy -- JD Davidson, Kendall Brown, Moussa Diabate, and Kennedy Chandler.

Obviously it's very early, but it's going to hurt if those guys pan out and Hardy doesn't.

I can't be upset at missing on a 2nd rounder though even if guys pan out and look better. It hurts far worse when you have a Saadiq Bey or Desmond Bane or Tyrese Maxey stairing at you and you chose Josh Green. Now that one hurt. All 3 of those have shown they can start in this league with Bane and Maxey showing they can do it on contenders. Meanwhile we are hoping and praying for 15 minutes a night from Josh Green. A major goof.

[Dallas41]

Good podcast on Dallas by Brian Windhorst

https://youtu.be/CdG9pnpCP28

I really like how they are upfront and honest about Cuban trying to avoid the luxury tax and how the Brunson issue was mishandled.

I don't want to say Luka is going to want out but I will say I don't think Luka is going to be as loyal as Dirk.

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Good podcast on Dallas by Brian Windhorst

https://youtu.be/CdG9pnpCP28

I really like how they are upfront and honest about Cuban trying to avoid the luxury tax and how the Brunson issue was mishandled.

I don't want to say Luka is going to want out but I will say I don't think Luka is going to be as loyal as Dirk.

Agreed, Luka being friends with Dragic, probably got us a conversation....but when we revealed his PT....I would think Luka would have to be at the forefront of any free agent recruitment....and would a rejection mean Luka can't get any one.....or is it like the Dragic situation....we were too honest.....should have gone with the notion....we don't know how the season is going to turn out....we have a role for a 3rd ball handler, replacing Brunson......Dragic looks at Brunson's minutes....he signs.....

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

Agreed, Luka being friends with Dragic, probably got us a conversation....but when we revealed his PT....I would think Luka would have to be at the forefront of any free agent recruitment....and would a rejection mean Luka can't get any one.....or is it like the Dragic situation....we were too honest.....should have gone with the notion....we don't know how the season is going to turn out....we have a role for a 3rd ball handler, replacing Brunson......Dragic looks at Brunson's minutes....he signs.....

I wasn't crazy about Dragic just like I wasn't crazy about that trade they made for Reddick.

But what I find confusing is that in league when teams are resting players do to injuries or fatigue how do you know what minutes a guy might play before the season even starts?

What if you lose Luka for a week or two doing the season would you have still stuck to your plan to only play Dragic minimal minutes or games?

What if the dude showed up in training camp and was clearly your best backup option at PG do you still stick when that playing time logic.

The Mavs do some of the dumbest stuff at times doing FA period and that's why I think they miss out on the boat every year.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

I wasn't crazy about Dragic just like I wasn't crazy about that trade they made for Reddick.

But what I find confusing is that in league when teams are resting players do to injuries or fatigue how do you know what minutes a guy might play before the season even starts?

What if you lose Luka for a week or two doing the season would you have still stuck to your plan to only play Dragic minimal minutes or games?

What if the dude showed up in training camp and was clearly your best backup option at PG do you still stick when that playing time logic.

The Mavs do some of the dumbest stuff at times doing FA period and that's why I think they miss out on the boat every year.

Hear say, unless the Mavs FO confirm that was their pitch.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Hear say, unless the Mavs FO confirm that was their pitch.

It?s not hearsay. Dragic was a party to the talks.

It is poor communication and/or translation though.

Bulls probably lied and/or exaggerated their role like Mavs probably did with McGee to get the deal signed. Mavs we?re probably honest that he could play 20-25 a night one night and SD/THJ could catch fire another and he?d get a DNP. Those are just facts.

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Good podcast on Dallas by Brian Windhorst

https://youtu.be/CdG9pnpCP28

I really like how they are upfront and honest about Cuban trying to avoid the luxury tax and how the Brunson issue was mishandled.

I don't want to say Luka is going to want out but I will say I don't think Luka is going to be as loyal as Dirk.

I really hope TMac is wrong here about the Mavs deciding they were out on Brunson when they found out what the Knicks were planning to spend. If they lost out on him, because they were out bid, then it means Cuban is still in charge, and still dumb af.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Good podcast on Dallas by Brian Windhorst

https://youtu.be/CdG9pnpCP28

I really like how they are upfront and honest about Cuban trying to avoid the luxury tax and how the Brunson issue was mishandled.

I don't want to say Luka is going to want out but I will say I don't think Luka is going to be as loyal as Dirk.

Seems like FO even managed to fumble a sign and trade trying to get a first out of the Brunson deal.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Seems like FO even managed to fumble a sign and trade trying to get a first out of the Brunson deal.

Why would the Knicks offer a 1st when they signed Brunson outright? They didn?t have to give us anything, so they didn?t.

Edit: maybe I misread your post. Was it reported that the FO was trying to get a 1st the Knicks, or just fans saying we should get/ask for a 1st?

[tap2390]

I am 100% sure the Mavs would have done the trade for just the trade exception. I believe the Knicks wanted a pick to facilitate since they did not need to do a sign and trade. It?s possible they wanted a 1st and Mavs told them to F off. JB could?ve done the team that drafted him and gave him a chance to shine under two different coaches and secure $100m deal a solid. But he didn?t. So F him.

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by tap2390

I am 100% sure the Mavs would have done the trade for just the trade exception. I believe the Knicks wanted a pick to facilitate since they did not need to do a sign and trade. It?s possible they wanted a 1st and Mavs told them to F off. JB could?ve done the team that drafted him and gave him a chance to shine under two different coaches and secure $100m deal a solid. But he didn?t. So F him.

Greedy bastard Knicks, at the end of the day, they screwed us with KP, then this, asking for a 1st for an exception....Knicks come calling for help, tell to f off...

Agreed, Mavs could offer a conditional 2023 2nd rounder, condition that it be pick 60, it would be the Knicks pick, if not converted by 2023, then it disappears. Snt, really hurts no one, Knicks use the cap space they created for Brunson, we get a Trade Exception. At the end of the day, the Knicks should be dead to us in any future trade talks.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by tap2390

I am 100% sure the Mavs would have done the trade for just the trade exception. I believe the Knicks wanted a pick to facilitate since they did not need to do a sign and trade. It?s possible they wanted a 1st and Mavs told them to F off. JB could?ve done the team that drafted him and gave him a chance to shine under two different coaches and secure $100m deal a solid. But he didn?t. So F him.

I'm still confused as to why fans are upset with JB.

He did what he thought was best for his career. We also have to take into consideration that Dallas initially didn't even want to offer him that initial contract back early in the season.

That's not JB's fault that is Cuban's for taking the gamble.

I will admit I was not a believer in JB early in his career but dude just kept getting better and under Kidd he just seemed to play with more confidence in his abilities.

So I wish him the best of luck because he didn't do anything wrong he was a UFA.

IN fact didn't Cuban take a similar gamble with Nash and he left kind of the same way as JB left.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Why would the Knicks offer a 1st when they signed Brunson outright? They didn?t have to give us anything, so they didn?t.

Edit: maybe I misread your post. Was it reported that the FO was trying to get a 1st the Knicks, or just fans saying we should get/ask for a 1st?

I was saying why would Mavs go in thinking they could pull a first out of the deal, Mavs should just try and get a trade exception or anything NY wants to throw your way and be grateful.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

I really hope they sign Schroder or get some backup pg. Still need that.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I really hope they sign Schroder or get some backup pg. Still need that.

I really think they are waiting to see if they can include themselves in one of the blockbuster deals that goes down, or maybe a buyout candidate that was part of a deal.

[BPo001]

Luka Doncic is not active in recruiting players to his team, ESPN reports. ?They seek his input, but he?s not heavily involved in personnel decisions,? ESPN?s reporter Tim MacMahon told. ?He has not shown interest in being heavily involved. He spends much of his offseason in Europe. He?s not a guy who has shown the desire to be a recruiter.? ? via BasketNews

[JustJay]

I'm not going to be critical of him for that. Others can if they choose.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by JustJay

I'm not going to be critical of him for that. Others can if they choose.

That's not the reality of the modern NBA where guys recruit each other in the offseason (and sometimes after games).

It doesn't shine the light away from the FO inability to attract FAs, but if Luka wants help, then he can play a bigger part in it.

[JustJay]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

That's not the reality of the modern NBA where guys recruit each other in the offseason (and sometimes after games).

It doesn't shine the light away from the FO inability to attract FAs, but if Luka wants help, then he can play a bigger part in it.

Some people just are not recruiters. It's also not my personality. Nothing you can do to change that about me. I assume same for him.

Making friends in general is something that just comes natural when you spend time with someone. Not something you seek out to do.

[turin]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

That's not the reality of the modern NBA where guys recruit each other in the offseason (and sometimes after games).

It doesn't shine the light away from the FO inability to attract FAs, but if Luka wants help, then he can play a bigger part in it.

The Mavs are a $hitshow with Cuban as owner. Luka is going to play out his contract, collect bank and then move on to a more competent franchise when his contract is up. He'll still be early in his prime. Anybody want to bet against this?

[Dtownsfinest]

Originally Posted by JustJay

I'm not going to be critical of him for that. Others can if they choose.

I won't be critical of it but at the same time I think in todays NBA you need to have a more hands-on guy but this goes back to the argument that he doesn't have a relationship with players around the league outside of guys he grew up with. Its gonna hinder this team. I don't know how much but its essentially going into a boxing match with one hand tied behind your back. Nico is going to have his hands full.

[Zeus]

Funny how this Luka not active in recruiting story made it's way to ESPN. Very similar to the Cowboys using their media operatives to discredit a particular player and control the narrative. You get the "Luka is not doing his part" thing trending enough it takes pressure off the FO fucking up the 2019-2020 period that was key to building a young core around Luka. Don't fall for these Luka is doing this or that flavor of the month...

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Funny how this Luka not active in recruiting story made it's way to ESPN. Very similar to the Cowboys using their media operatives to discredit a particular player and control the narrative. You get the "Luka is not doing his part" thing trending enough it takes pressure off the FO fucking up the 2019-2020 period that was key to building a young core around Luka. Don't fall for these Luka is doing this or that flavor of the month...

Well I crapped on the FO since 2019 FA, so you know that's not me. Most people around here get that. I think it's because they are so bad that they need Luka's help. Remember Chandler Parsons? We didn't even have a remote shot at D. Jordan without Parsons recruiting him.

Nico is our one prayer to change things, but FA has been meh so far. I just can't believe we didn't even get a meeting with Brunson. There is no excuse for that.

[Dtownsfinest]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Funny how this Luka not active in recruiting story made it's way to ESPN. Very similar to the Cowboys using their media operatives to discredit a particular player and control the narrative. You get the "Luka is not doing his part" thing trending enough it takes pressure off the FO fucking up the 2019-2020 period that was key to building a young core around Luka. Don't fall for these Luka is doing this or that flavor of the month...

I mean I personally don't need anything to leak. We know Luka didnt' take part in AAU basketball which is where these guys build their relationships. It sounds crazy but when guys are playing each other at 15 or 16 years old? Its going to mean something 10 years later.

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Funny how this Luka not active in recruiting story made it's way to ESPN. Very similar to the Cowboys using their media operatives to discredit a particular player and control the narrative. You get the "Luka is not doing his part" thing trending enough it takes pressure off the FO fucking up the 2019-2020 period that was key to building a young core around Luka. Don't fall for these Luka is doing this or that flavor of the month...

Lol this is pretty contrived. If you know the context then you know TMac mentioned this offhand while on a podcast with Windhorst and ESPN ran with it during the slow offseason period.

There's no grand conspiracy.

[JustJay]

Let's say Luka made friends with Lebron, KD.....any top 10 player you want to name. We don't have the cap space to sign them anyway, and we don't have the trade assets, and we're still Dallas with Cuban as owner. It just wouldn't matter.

[Dtownsfinest]

Originally Posted by JustJay

Let's say Luka made friends with Lebron, KD.....any top 10 player you want to name. We don't have the cap space to sign them anyway, and we don't have the trade assets, and we're still Dallas with Cuban as owner. It just wouldn't matter.

There's more to the NBA than those guys though. For instance the story that came out about Kyle Kuzma and Monte Morris. These aren't the best players in the league but these are good players who have known each other since they were children and always had the dream of playing with each other. This is the stuff Luka is missing which its not only on him. There are other guys on this team who should be able to recruit even if they aren't the best player on this team.

But there's no doubt that a guy like Lebron can convince players like Kendrick Dunn and Malik Monk to take small contracts. That stuff surely doesn't hurt

[JustJay]

You know who else was bad at recruiting players? Michael Jordan.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by JustJay

You know who else was bad at recruiting players? Michael Jordan.

They drafted one of the best of all time Scottie Pippen, so he didn't need to? That's why choking on the 2020 draft was such a big deal.

We might be champions had we drafted Bey or Bane. For sure Bane.

[tap2390]

There's an alternative universe where our closing 5 is:

Luka
Maxey
Bane
DFS
Wood

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by tap2390

There's an alternative universe where our closing 5 is:

Luka
Maxey
Bane
DFS
Wood

Rings... Not 1, not 2, not 3...... Unfortunately in the current universe there is a good chance that not one of the 3 players picked will still be on the team in less than 12 months from now.