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Old 02-28-2023, 11:08 PM   #441
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Kidd wasn?t drawing up a damn thing in that timeout lmao
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Old 02-28-2023, 11:12 PM   #442
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1-5 but at least Philly and Phoenix (now with Durant) will be easier
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Old 02-28-2023, 11:13 PM   #443
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Mavs now in the play-in and only 1.5 games out of missing the play-in as well
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Kidd lost the team early on. We basically documented it step by step on here. Once a coach loses a team, it almost never reverses. Even with a few wins.
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Mavs went from WCF's team to a 41-41 play in tournament team.

Kind of hard to believe especially after years of demanding Luka to play with another star player.

Might be time for Cuban to move on
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Wouldn?t mind tanking and keeping our pick. I really do see a scenario where we are the number one seed in the west next season, but we need to be realistic about Jason Kidd?s abilities as a coach and have a flawless off-season.
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Wouldn?t mind tanking and keeping our pick. I really do see a scenario where we are the number one seed in the west next season, but we need to be realistic about Jason Kidd?s abilities as a coach and have a flawless off-season.
Number 1 seed is a massive stretch. We need to definitely replace Wood and we are probably going to have to replace Kyrie.

I can see a missed playoff or play in fail. Then we lose 2 big pieces and are sent scrambling and spiraling thru the offseason.

I'd say the path for shit to get real bad is much closer than the path to get real good.
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Kidd is 100% committed to fucked off rotations and roster management. We were doomed before the season even started.

Theres also the little fact that he can't coach basically and draw up plays too. He has fallen off a cliff since last season. I'd love to have had a documentary film crew following him from GS loss through the All Star break to understand what the fvck he was ever thinking.
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This is when you know the wheels have fallen off...

https://twitter.com/BenRogers/status...89475533029376

I just love a victory lap after a loss praising a guy that can't grab a single rebound in 24 minutes of play, but yes, he is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
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Put a fork in the Mavs.
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This is when you know the wheels have fallen off...

https://twitter.com/BenRogers/status...89475533029376

I just love a victory lap after a loss praising a guy that can't grab a single rebound in 24 minutes of play, but yes, he is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
It's a weird call out and praise after a loss. That's a "monologue" you go off on say if Maxi hit the game winning three in addition to his play.

However, the rebound comment isn't fair. Maxi is the only dude it seemed to be actively engaged in boxing out, walling off, etc. doing all the dirty work underneath so others could board. It's just that the rest of the team lacks any fucking heart or will to go do so, or maybe it's just lack of bball IQ.

Could also be coaching, though it's becoming more and more obvious that Kidd is losing this team. Whatever worked in the past is not clicking with this group and I don't think he has the chops to pivot.
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Christian Wood, frustrated by being benched left the bench and walked himself back to the locker room. I know he played a truly awful game but there?s a problem. Seems like either Wood or Kidd have to go. My vote is Kidd.
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Christian Wood, frustrated by being benched left the bench and walked himself back to the locker room. I know he played a truly awful game but there?s a problem. Seems like either Wood or Kidd have to go. My vote is Kidd.
I'll say it, Wood is fucking terrible. He's the same one-trick pony we all hemmed and hawed about earlier this season. Outside of his 1-1 offensive game, he contributes a negative overall game. Piss poor screens and rebounding, complains as much as Luka and doesn't get back, ill-advised passing or lack thereof when it's the best play, and the attitude. Yea, he can get his with his post-game, but the 3-point shooting is suspect, and I believe a farce that plays into his I'm a great offensive player mindset. I dunno, guy rubs me wrong as basically the polar opposite of a guy like DFS who just knows his role.

I for sure do not double down and re-sign him. Unless I'm missing something and you are right, but the guy has a history that I'll lean on more than any rift with Kidd or Luka or whatever.
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Seriously, Wood's series to start the 4th was some of the dumbest fucking basketball I've ever witnessed.
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Some silver linings as I don't want to be negative Nancy and lose my eye sockets like Pelosi.

Maxi is a stud for his work ethic and coming back from such an injury in a short time. Guy looked perfect in his role out there and should massively help down the stretch. Now if other guys can show up...

Powell limited to 12 solid minutes, but still started. That appeared to shift in the 2nd half with Maxi/THJ in for Powell/Holiday.

Hardaway actually played within himself, it's just hard to look back at the stat sheet and see him get 37 effing minutes. No championship team gives that many minutes to such mid players, but here we are...his and Green's minutes should be flipped.

I dunno what the rotation should be moving forward. I would have loved Wood to have stepped up and forced his way to starting, but he hasn't. Weird to see other writers and beats champion it. Stats can say one thing but watching the game is another. I just don't get it with him and hope they can figure something out to make a run.
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It's just pitiful. Nothing else to say.
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I'll say it, Wood is fucking terrible. He's the same one-trick pony we all hemmed and hawed about earlier this season. Outside of his 1-1 offensive game, he contributes a negative overall game. Piss poor screens and rebounding, complains as much as Luka and doesn't get back, ill-advised passing or lack thereof when it's the best play, and the attitude. Yea, he can get his with his post-game, but the 3-point shooting is suspect, and I believe a farce that plays into his I'm a great offensive player mindset. I dunno, guy rubs me wrong as basically the polar opposite of a guy like DFS who just knows his role.

I for sure do not double down and re-sign him. Unless I'm missing something and you are right, but the guy has a history that I'll lean on more than any rift with Kidd or Luka or whatever.
Even though I disagree with a lot of this especially since you somehow defended Maxi's 0 rebounds, if you don't keep Wood, then you're big man position is even worse.

There is no answer at center that will be available this summer. Why do you think they had to promise McGee a starting spot and a long term contract?

To make matters worse, Kidd has absolutely no idea how to coach a big man. Zero. I've never seen a more erratic position in my life of guys that sometimes have good games then just vanish. That's 10000000% coaching.
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Even though I disagree with a lot of this especially since you somehow defended Maxi's 0 rebounds, if you don't keep Wood, then you're big man position is even worse.

There is no answer at center that will be available this summer. Why do you think they had to promise McGee a starting spot and a long term contract?

To make matters worse, Kidd has absolutely no idea how to coach a big man. Zero. I've never seen a more erratic position in my life of guys that sometimes have good games then just vanish. That's 10000000% coaching.
I'm not going to counter the Kidd argument, I think we are all almost on the same boat.

Wood actively makes our big man situation bad himself. I can't sit around and see the blatant hypocrisy of us complaining about Bullock, DFS, etc. when this guy does one thing well. His history and game speak well enough for himself for me to not dismiss it as simple as Kidd can't coach bigs. I don't think that's what you're saying completely, but it's time we start calling Wood for what he is and stop acting like he's a slam dunk starter and should be getting 30+ minutes. He is seriously that hard to watch.

*Edited to throw serious shade at the FO and ownership for not addressing the center position in the offseason, nor at the trade deadline. Serious incompetence after the flaw was glaringly obvious in the playoffs and last year. Obvious that Wood is a PF and bringing in McGee as the only option was foolish.

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I'm not going to counter the Kidd argument, I think we are all almost on the same boat.

Wood actively makes our big man situation bad himself. I can't sit around and see the blatant hypocrisy of us complaining about Bullock, DFS, etc. when this guy does one thing well. His history and game speak well enough for himself for me to not dismiss it as simple as Kidd can't coach bigs. I don't think that's what you're saying completely, but it's time we start calling Wood for what he is and stop acting like he's a slam dunk starter and should be getting 30+ minutes. He is seriously that hard to watch.

*Edited to throw serious shade at the FO and ownership for not addressing the center position in the offseason, nor at the trade deadline. Serious incompetence after the flaw was glaringly obvious in the playoffs and last year. Obvious that Wood is a PF and bringing in McGee as the only option was foolish.
My only gripe is his 3s, and he?d be best paired with McGee or Maxi together. We saw what happened when Kidd said he needed to lock in defensively early in the season. And he did. And he became starter because it was too glaringly obvious how solid he?d been. Then he got injured, and it all went to hell, and the trade deadline. He?s been yanked around when he had started to buy in. I?m probably not starting him, but he would do well getting consistent minutes as the first or second guy off the bench.
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Wood is hard to watch now because they screwed him all season. He averaged 21/11/2.5 in January with 34 mpg only to be totally shafted when they couldn't trade him to 19 mpg.

What exactly was he supposed to do more to keep his position/minutes? This setting a pick bs is the same dog shit I heard when people defended playing Dampier over Drew Gooden. Damp couldn't catch a fucking basketball. bUt He SeTs PiCks.

Of course Wood sucks now. They've done everything in their power to disrespect him. I honestly believe they actively want him to be bad so they can justify not keeping him this summer. They never had any intention of keeping him no matter how well he played.
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Just look at what Kidd is doing now with Green. It's really not dissimilar to what Kidd did to Wood basically all season. He dicks around and messes with players mentally as some sort of sick test?

Starting lineup should be....Luka/Kyrie/Green/Wood/Kleber.
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Yeah I can fully accept that Wood might be garbage (although his total lack of consistent team/coach/rotation could be to blame), but the real issue is the mind games that Kidd is playing.

Make a set rotation of your best guys. Let them get comfortable in their roles and when they aren't doing it, you coach them to be better. If guys don't fill that role, you change it up in the offseason and let the guys that don't fit go and get new guys that can fit the goal.

We heard the same criticisms of the Wizards-- no consistent rotations/expectations and it's why Dinwiddie and Bertans were so happy to get out. It absolutely kills a locker room when guys have no idea what they are doing on any given night. Team-first guys lose their happiness and take it out on themselves (Kyrie, Luka). Others get frustrated and walk out of the arena (Wood, etc.). No one is happy. No one wants to be here. No one is playing their best ball. The vibes are the opposite of immaculate.

It very well could be that Wood just isn't a contributor on an NBA team and we can address that in the offseason, but all these problems we are seeing right now are 100% on Kidd for his absolutely immature and childish coaching.

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Wood is hard to watch now because they screwed him all season. He averaged 21/11/2.5 in January with 34 mpg only to be totally shafted when they couldn't trade him to 19 mpg.

What exactly was he supposed to do more to keep his position/minutes? This setting a pick bs is the same dog shit I heard when people defended playing Dampier over Drew Gooden. Damp couldn't catch a fucking basketball. bUt He SeTs PiCks.

Of course Wood sucks now. They've done everything in their power to disrespect him. I honestly believe they actively want him to be bad so they can justify not keeping him this summer. They never had any intention of keeping him no matter how well he played.
Are you just going to address the picks? By the way, very crucial sequence to start the 4th where it absolutely impacted the game and Wood's minutes, so let's not just tYpE a rEsPonSe as it does not give near enough credit as to why he might not be playing as much.

We all like to pile on Kidd and the FO, but the actual player has been playing like shit since the injury and the attitude has slid downhill, too. We can come up with all the reasons why, but in the end, they are just excuses for the player's poor play.

Pretty easy from our vantage point to simply say start Wood and the problems and holes in his game will magically disappear. Bottom line, if we are going to hold coaching and FO accountable, we cannot turn a blind eye when the player isn't cutting it, either. What gets most confused is that we don't have a clear cut other option and it feels like the team is stuck. But again, it has to be on Kidd and the Mavs, and not the guy who hasn't stuck with any team throughout his career? Something ain't right about that. Please don't get that confused with defending Kidd, I'm beyond that.
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Yeah I can fully accept that Wood is garbage, but the real issue is the mind games that Kidd is playing.

Make a set rotation of your best guys. Let them get comfortable in their roles and when they aren't doing it, you coach them to be better. If guys don't fill that role, you change it up in the offseason and let the guys that don't fit go and get new guys that can fit the goal.

We heard the same criticisms of the Wizards-- no consistent rotations/expectations. That absolutely kills a locker room. Team-first guys lose their happiness and take it out on themselves (Kyrie, Luka). Others get frustrated and walk out of the arena (Wood, etc.). No one is happy. No one wants to be here. No one is playing their best ball. The vibes are the opposite of immaculate.

It very well could be that Wood just isn't a contributor on an NBA team and we can address that in the offseason, but all these problems we are seeing right now are 100% on Kidd for his absolutely immature and childish coaching.
This is the rub. The only sliver of light I'll give in to players not playing up to their abilities or being whatever they are. Kidd's approach has slowly worn on me. I totally agree that at this point in the season, despite trades and guys coming back from injury, that you should know who will be the main rotation come playoffs.

I've never seen such a situation where almost everyone outside of the coaching staff and FO see the team completely different and obvious holes and/or decisions that simply do not align with common sense. Baffling, really, almost as if Kidd wants to be the villain that was right. Or that he simply can't admit he was wrong.

I think a team only meeting is long overdue, and people need to start being a little bit more transparent with each other and not feeding the media thinly veiled criticisms. Sit down like men and hash out any bad feelings. I think they're all afraid to do exactly that and things won't change, unfortunately.
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Just look at what Kidd is doing now with Green. It's really not dissimilar to what Kidd did to Wood basically all season. He dicks around and messes with players mentally as some sort of sick test?

Starting lineup should be....Luka/Kyrie/Green/Wood/Kleber.
I do not disagree with the Green angle, but wholeheartedly view his and Wood's situation as completely different.

I thought it was very odd that Holiday got the starting nod over Green the other game. Green's been getting praise from Kidd all year and has seemingly earned that role. I can't defend Kidd's playing time decisions.

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I'm not really sure Kidd wants to coach anymore. All the signs point to it.

You know, I can't really see Kyrie or Luka trying to make a coaching power play...but what if someone like Green asked for a trade because of it?

It's a dangerous game to play to be loyal to a coach in a players league.
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Wood is gone. Whether he is all that good or not is debatable. Especially given what else we have now and what's available to get in the offseason. He's absolutely gone and regardless of where we are with him now, we 100% did not get the most out of him whatever that is and that falls on Kids lap. Fucked it up from day 1.

Kyrie... who really thinks he wants more of this shit show? I'm not even as upset about that because I'm not sure he had long term intentions here anyway...maybe. Either way he might as well be peacing out because Kidd isn't done spiraling. I won't blame him.

While we are at it, let's go ahead and wreck Green's confidence and upset him. Yea he's not a star but we just fn seemed to be coming out of the dark with him and this dumbass coach is pulling the E Brake and yanking the steering wheel left.

I literally am beside myself as this continues to implode.

Hopefully Cuban isn't sleeping much.
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NBA needs a new annual award...

"And the inaugural NBA Buffoon of the Year Award goes to... Dallas Mavericks Coach Jason Kidd! A close second was Mavericks owner and perennial jackass - Mark Cuban."
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Seriously, Wood's series to start the 4th was some of the dumbest fucking basketball I've ever witnessed.
Yep

I know kidd takes a lot of heat with the way he utilizes wood

But as I said last night those two terrible moving screen calls by wood has nothing to do with coaching.

That's just low b-ball iq by a player

A lot of things that made wood fall out of favor in Houston are replicating itself in Dallas.

Don't get me wrong dude has some serious offensive talent but he's a me 1st player

Seems like he's only interested in getting that big contract more than team success.

There's a reason why Brooklyn preferred Dinwiddie over Wood in that trade.

I'd still rather play him over Powell but neither guy fixes the defensive issues on this team.

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Sometimes, a moving screen is caused by the ball handler not letting the screener get set.
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Yea definitely. I feel like at least 1/3rd of them are because the ball handler moves too quickly.
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The reason the Wood situation is so dumb for me is the guy could be playing for a contract. This is good. He will try harder. But the Mavs are limiting his minutes? Anyone in that situation would be upset too. Their career is being limited. It even worse as he is putting up the best numbers of any big the Mavs have. It must be so frustrating to just sit therr and say ?the right things? when you know you could be doing better with more minutes. He has no consistency in his playing time. That must also be messing with his mind. He has no peace of mind.
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Mavs gonna get pounded by Philly and end up 8th tonight

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Well they did break down the plays on MMB and they weren't too happy with Wood either. They have a few video breakdowns of the plays

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2023/3...etting-messier
The Christian Wood situation keeps getting messier
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The reason the Wood situation is so dumb for me is the guy could be playing for a contract. This is good. He will try harder. But the Mavs are limiting his minutes? Anyone in that situation would be upset too. Their career is being limited. It even worse as he is putting up the best numbers of any big the Mavs have. It must be so frustrating to just sit therr and say ?the right things? when you know you could be doing better with more minutes. He has no consistency in his playing time. That must also be messing with his mind. He has no peace of mind.
My newest take on the Wood situation is that his conflicts with Kidd are irreconcilable. At this point in the season it does not matter who is to blame, whether it be him being given a bench role at the beginning of the season or his lackluster play of late. The conflict is likely causing disruption in the locker room and impacting team morale (morale is no doubt being impacted by other factors also, but I believe Wood's attitude has become a flashing point). This will likely be an unpopular solution, but the Mavs should buyout his contract and pick up three of the following: Noel, Ibaka, Wall, Dragic (also buyout/waive Pinson and Frank). Addition by subtraction, even though Wood is a very talented player on offense. I see the situation boiling over into something that approximates Rondo if he stays on the team. Him walking off the court and to the locker room after making a series of bonehead plays against the Pacers is not a good look. This is another desperate move but at this point what have you got to lose? Wood is gone at the end of the season and the Mavs need to make moves to give them at least a bit of resistance at the rim and another ball handler to come off the bench.
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My newest take on the Wood situation is that his conflicts with Kidd are irreconcilable. At this point in the season it does not matter who is to blame, whether it be him being given a bench role at the beginning of the season or his lackluster play of late. The conflict is likely causing disruption in the locker room and impacting team morale (morale is no doubt being impacted by other factors also, but I believe Wood's attitude has become a flashing point). This will likely be an unpopular solution, but the Mavs should buyout his contract and pick up three of the following: Noel, Ibaka, Wall, Dragic (also buyout/waive Pinson and Frank). Addition by subtraction, even though Wood is a very talented player on offense. I see the situation boiling over into something that approximates Rondo if he stays on the team. Him walking off the court and to the locker room after making a series of bonehead plays against the Pacers is not a good look. This is another desperate move but at this point what have you got to lose? Wood is gone at the end of the season and the Mavs need to make moves to give them at least a bit of resistance at the rim and another ball handler to come off the bench.
The question that will need to be answered is who is going to want to come play for Kidd? I don't think it looks very attractive.

Perhaps it doesn't matter strictly regarding the outcome of Wood this season, but big picture is Wood has finally had enough regardless of what he is as a player, Green being jerked around...even more so lately. Ypu have at least 2 guys who surely have been shaking their heads behind the scenes at this shit show. How much does that effect the whole team?
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Back to Josh starting.
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Yay here goes TNT shitting on Luka. Would be fine if they had something new, but it?s the sameeeee narrative over and over.
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Really putting Powell on Embiid with a straight face
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Seems like Luka been listening to the criticisms
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