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Dtownsfinest · 11-19-2020, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MFFL

Saad Yousuf
@SaadYousuf126

Playing with Luka last year resulted in career-best 3-point shooting percentages for:
Seth Curry
Maxi Kleber
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Dorian Finney-Smith.

The Luka effect is very real. Mavs are betting on it.

I get the sentiment....I just don’t trust those guys jumpers...Lebron kicked out to Danny Green all day and he was still clanking. I’d still look for a pure jump shooter.

EricaLubarsky · 11-19-2020, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

I get the sentiment....I just don’t trust those guys jumpers...Lebron kicked out to Danny Green all day and he was still clanking. I’d still look for a pure jump shooter.

Personally, I think if people can shoot, then they are shooters. We have a lot of those. Richardson is good. THJ if he stays is good. DFS is good. KP is good. Doncic is passable. Brunson is good. Are our draft picks proven yet? The rest of the guys we drafted are definitely not, although they have lots of reason to be optimistic.

By the way,

Mavs shooting threes wide open - 39.6%
Mavs shooting threes with a player within 4-6 feet - 35.5%
Mavs shooting threes with a player within 2-4 feet - 28.3%
Mavs players shooting threes with a player less than 2 feet away - 26.7%

That's a trend across every team in the NBA. Danny Green is a freak exception-- or would be if he didn't actually get MORE open shots in Toronto. It was a freak issue where he actually had defenses on him more in Los Angeles.

Dtownsfinest · 11-19-2020, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Personally, I think if people can shoot, then they are shooters. We have a lot of those. Richardson is good. THJ if he stays is good. DFS is good. KP is good. Doncic is passable. Brunson is good. Are our draft picks proven yet? The rest of the guys we drafted are definitely not, although they have lots of reason to be optimistic.

By the way,

Mavs shooting threes wide open - 39.6%
Mavs shooting threes with a player within 4-6 feet - 35.5%
Mavs shooting threes with a player within 2-4 feet - 28.3%
Mavs players shooting threes with a player less than 2 feet away - 26.7%

That's a trend across every team in the NBA. Danny Green is a freak exception-- or would be if he didn't actually get MORE open shots in Toronto. It was a freak issue where he actually had defenses on him more in Los Angeles.

When the playoffs come around and the rims start to get smaller for guys....are you confident in what we have right now? I think they need a Seth Curry replacement. You won't find someone as good as him out there but I think they need someone to make up for his shooting.

EricaLubarsky · 11-19-2020, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

When the playoffs come around and the rims start to get smaller for guys....are you confident in what we have right now? I think they need a Seth Curry replacement. You won't find someone as good as him out there but I think they need someone to make up for his shooting.

I am feeling confident. Thank you. I am sorry you are not confident.

Melonhead · 11-19-2020, 11:28 AM

The best thing about this draft is they finally took it seriously AND we only have to wait a month to see it all in action! No 5 month wait!

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-19-2020, 11:34 AM

Ha, my phone has been getting twitter alerts, and I just realized I posted this in October. Although, Josh Green is obviously much more athletic than Danny Green, and Terry is more like Seth.

https://twitter.com/KCMavsfan/status...45529548926976

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-19-2020, 11:34 AM

dbl.

dirt_dobber · 11-19-2020, 11:36 AM

David Lord@David_Lord_2020
On my current Mavs speculation train
1 Mavs could trade THJ, Wright, Jackson, picks
2 Maybe for Gallo, Gordon, Ibaka, Millsap, Dragic, Bogdanovic - & who knows who Mavs are really targeting
3 Mavs re-sign Burke and add a backup C to small $ deals
Using MLE? Added options entirely

David Lord@David_Lord_2020
Mavs have more work to do. Could they ....
1 Use Wright (or package him with _____, maybe Jackson) & a future pick to be able to add a F like Gallinari or A Gordon?
2 Bring back Burke (minimum salary?)?
3 Add a backup big man (minimum salary)?
That set fills 15 spots, MLE unused.

dirt_dobber · 11-19-2020, 11:37 AM

David Lord@David_Lord_2020
On my current Mavs speculation train
1 Mavs could trade THJ, Wright, Jackson, picks
2 Maybe for Gallo, Gordon, Ibaka, Millsap, Dragic, Bogdanovic - & who knows who Mavs are really targeting
3 Mavs re-sign Burke and add a backup C to small $ deals
Using MLE? Added options entirely

David Lord@David_Lord_2020
Mavs have more work to do. Could they ....
1 Use Wright (or package him with _____, maybe Jackson) & a future pick to be able to add a F like Gallinari or A Gordon?
2 Bring back Burke (minimum salary?)?
3 Add a backup big man (minimum salary)?
That set fills 15 spots, MLE unused.

SMC0007 · 11-19-2020, 12:02 PM

For those uneasy about the loss of Seth to our team. Realize he was absolute hogwarsh on defense. Consider that most of the big 3's he made for us was because he just gave up 2 buckets and and offensive rebound on the other end. Just when you think Seth is building a few games worth of momentum to have an official coming out party, he gets a mystery injury for a week or so. That might help?

Melonhead · 11-19-2020, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

For those uneasy about the loss of Seth to our team. Realize he was absolute hogwarsh on defense. Consider that most of the big 3's he made for us was because he just gave up 2 buckets and and offensive rebound on the other end. Just when you think Seth is building a few games worth of momentum to have an official coming out party, he gets a mystery injury for a week or so. That might help?

I love him, but hes not getting any younger, and always has some weird leg injury. It stings less because he did land somewhere awesome, and with his father in law. And we filled a need on the wing. And thats what you need in this league.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-19-2020, 12:44 PM

I'm actually surprised that we're the ones who got a pick out of it. Donnie still very good with trades.

Melonhead · 11-19-2020, 12:54 PM

Josh Green gives me Danny Green vibes because he loves that elbow/corner 3 and seems to have a knack for getting open over there. JG seems to have a little more dribble so he can get out of tough spots. I hope he hits the ground running.

Dtownsfinest · 11-19-2020, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I am feeling confident. Thank you. I am sorry you are not confident.

And that's fine that you are.....I've just watched too much Mavericks basketball and too much basketball to know that those rims get smaller eventually and eventually you are going to have to offer up more than just a spot up 3 to win. Live and die by the 3 is a recipe for disaster.

Dtownsfinest · 11-19-2020, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

For those uneasy about the loss of Seth to our team. Realize he was absolute hogwarsh on defense. Consider that most of the big 3's he made for us was because he just gave up 2 buckets and and offensive rebound on the other end. Just when you think Seth is building a few games worth of momentum to have an official coming out party, he gets a mystery injury for a week or so. That might help?

Understood but who on this team actually plays defense? Hell who in this NBA plays defense? Seems like its the Miami Heat and Lebron and AD lol...I don't think its as simple as you make it sound but yes if they could somehow get either someone on the roster or a free agent to come in and be able to hit the open 3 and play defense then I think you'd have to look at that as a upgrade. But you also can't see short Curry hit some big shots for us last year.

SMC0007 · 11-19-2020, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Understood but who on this team actually plays defense? Hell who in this NBA plays defense? Seems like its the Miami Heat and Lebron and AD lol...I don't think its as simple as you make it sound but yes if they could somehow get either someone on the roster or a free agent to come in and be able to hit the open 3 and play defense then I think you'd have to look at that as a upgrade. But you also can't see short Curry hit some big shots for us last year.

Curry definitely hit some big shots for us. Had some great games in fact. But there were more times that he just gave up way more than he got back on the floor. I think there are plenty of guys who play good defense, we just got one in JRich. The problem with specialists is you can't have multiple on the floor for long. Luka is an offensive specialist and an amazing rebounder. So you can't afford to have he and curry together because all the good they do together is eventually undone on the other end. IMO this move will have greater impact on wins, especially in close games.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-19-2020, 01:29 PM

https://twitter.com/townbrad/status/1329491329987055616

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-19-2020, 01:44 PM

THJ opted in via TMac.

EricaLubarsky · 11-19-2020, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

https://twitter.com/townbrad/status/1329491329987055616

Per source, Mavs have not received official word on opt-in decisions of Hardaway ($18.9M) or Cauley-Stein ($2.3), though as we reported several days ago Hardaway is expected to opt in and C-S is not.

Deadline is 4 p.m. today.

EricaLubarsky · 11-19-2020, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

THJ opted in via TMac.

Nice. Stil haven't gotten official word on WCS?

No cap, but we have MLE

EricaLubarsky · 11-19-2020, 01:49 PM

Mavs contracts
1) KP
2) Richardson
3) Powell
4) Wright
5) Kleber
6) Doncic
7) DFS
8) Boban
9) Justin
10) Brunson
11) THJ
12) Green (guaranteed 1st rounder)
13)
---inactive---
14)
15)
---two-way players-----
16) Nate Hinton
17) Freddie Gillespie

other
WCS - Player option to be decided today by 4pm (unconfirmed but rumor is he opts out)
Barea - rumors were we planned to bring him back as a player
Terry - second-round pick. Contract is optional
Bey - second-round pick. Contract is optional
We will either have significant cap space if THJ opts out or we'll have the 9.8mill MLE

KillerLeft · 11-19-2020, 02:03 PM

What a great, great night for our Mavericks.

They made a commitment to continue the roster building by adding YOUTH and ATHLETIC ABILITY, and didn't go all-in on getting older and more experienced. I didn't see that coming, and I fully thought they'd overreact to making the playoffs a year before anyone expected.

Those wondering whether they'll be better this season are missing the point, imo. I believe they will be, but with the covid craziness it's hard to tell what will happen. However, the moves they made last night, when seen in TOTAL, are indicative of an overall PLAN.

For example, the Green pick is underwhelming, due to his raw status on offense, until you realize that they're also trading for a similar player with experience in Richardson. This means that the Mavs will not have to rely on Green to play heavy minutes in order to be successful this season. He has time to be a bit of a project, if necessary.

The Terry pick is also underwhelming at first, because how in the world would that dude get minutes on the same team as Seth Curry. But then, BOOM - Curry is out, Richardson is in.

I see method. I see a plan, and I think it's a good plan. Better than I imagined it would be, and clearly they executed it pretty well.

KillerLeft · 11-19-2020, 02:03 PM

What a great, great night for our Mavericks.

They made a commitment to continue the roster building by adding YOUTH and ATHLETIC ABILITY, and didn't go all-in on getting older and more experienced. I didn't see that coming, and I fully thought they'd overreact to making the playoffs a year before anyone expected.

Those wondering whether they'll be better this season are missing the point, imo. I believe they will be, but with the covid craziness it's hard to tell what will happen. However, the moves they made last night, when seen in TOTAL, are indicative of an overall PLAN.

For example, the Green pick is underwhelming, due to his raw status on offense, until you realize that they're also trading for a similar player with experience in Richardson. This means that the Mavs will not have to rely on Green to play heavy minutes in order to be successful this season. He has time to be a bit of a project, if necessary.

The Terry pick is also underwhelming at first, because how in the world would that dude get minutes on the same team as Seth Curry. But then, BOOM - Curry is out, Richardson is in.

I see method. I see a plan, and I think it's a good plan. Better than I imagined it would be, and clearly they executed it pretty well.

SMC0007 · 11-19-2020, 02:05 PM

1 or 2 more moves Hopefully.

C. Wood
Hayward
Hield
Oubre
Gallo
Milsap
Portis

EricaLubarsky · 11-19-2020, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Mavs contracts
1) KP
2) Richardson
3) Powell
4) Wright
5) Kleber
6) Doncic
7) DFS
8) Boban
9) Justin
10) Brunson
11) THJ
12) Green (guaranteed 1st rounder)
13)
---inactive---
14)
15)
---two-way players-----
16) Nate Hinton
17) Freddie Gillespie

other
WCS - Player option to be decided today by 4pm (unconfirmed but rumor is he opts out)
Barea - rumors were we planned to bring him back as a player
Terry - second-round pick. Contract is optional
Bey - second-round pick. Contract is optional
We will either have significant cap space if THJ opts out or we'll have the 9.8mill MLE

KP/Boban/Powell
DFS/Kleber/???
THJ/Green/Jackson
Richardson/???/???
Doncic/Brunson/???

Seems like there's definitely a place for Terry to step in and get some decent minutes a the 1/2 like Curry was if he can hit the ground running. Green/Bey can also get some backup minutes at 3/4 if they can clear the easy hurdle of being better than Jackson.

Bey's problem is that he's essentially Green in terms of game (3/D) and body and we like Green more. Bey may find himself unsigned playing in G-league

SMC0007 · 11-19-2020, 02:05 PM

1 or 2 more moves Hopefully.

C. Wood
Hayward
Hield
Oubre
Gallo
Milsap
Portis

Murphy3 · 11-19-2020, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MFFL

Saad Yousuf
@SaadYousuf126

Playing with Luka last year resulted in career-best 3-point shooting percentages for:
Seth Curry
Maxi Kleber
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Dorian Finney-Smith.

The Luka effect is very real. Mavs are betting on it.

I’m going to have to see it again from THJ and DFS... I know that Luka makes the game easier... but I don’t fully trust those two guys from beyond the arc.

I like what they did. But that doesn’t mean that helping to fill one hole doesn’t create a bit of an issue elsewhere. There’s still an opportunity to address it.

Melonhead · 11-19-2020, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Nice. Stil haven't gotten official word on WCS?

No cap, but we have MLE

WCS already opted out. Would be an easy fix at center if they could resign him

EricaLubarsky · 11-19-2020, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

WCS already opted out. Would be an easy fix at center if they could resign him

WCS is not official per T-Mac and Brad

SMC0007 · 11-19-2020, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

I’m going to have to see it again from THJ and DFS... I know that Luka makes the game easier... but I don’t fully trust those two guys from beyond the arc.

I like what they did. But that doesn’t mean that helping to fill one hole doesn’t create a bit of an issue elsewhere. There’s still an opportunity to address it.

The problem also is relying on behind the arc. Our records in close games was atrocious and dieing beyond the arc is a big reason. Things get tight at the end of close games and especially in the playoffs. The bucket gets smaller to even the best shooters. You have to be able to get stops or you lose tons of close games.

Thespiralgoeson · 11-19-2020, 02:38 PM

I'm amazed that people are worried about our shooting of all things. I know Seth is an elite shooter, maybe the best in the league, but the rest of the team is pretty damn good too. I mean, if there's some other shooter out there that we can get cheap, sure, get him. But the idea that we're going to really suffer for losing Seth? I don't see it.

EricaLubarsky · 11-19-2020, 02:57 PM

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I'm amazed that people are worried about our shooting of all things. I know Seth is an elite shooter, maybe the best in the league, but the rest of the team is pretty damn good too. I mean, if there's some other shooter out there that we can get cheap, sure, get him. But the idea that we're going to really suffer for losing Seth? I don't see it.

To be fair, I'd want more shooting if we had 15 guys who were all shooting 99% from three

Murphy3 · 11-19-2020, 02:59 PM

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I'm amazed that people are worried about our shooting of all things. I know Seth is an elite shooter, maybe the best in the league, but the rest of the team is pretty damn good too. I mean, if there's some other shooter out there that we can get cheap, sure, get him. But the idea that we're going to really suffer for losing Seth? I don't see it.

Some of us don’t necessarily buy in to the improvements that we saw in shooting the three from certain individuals. It’s not that tough to understand.

Thespiralgoeson · 11-19-2020, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

To be fair, I'd want more shooting if we had 15 guys who were all shooting 99% from three

You can never have too many, for sure. But it's not like we lost Seth and got back Ben Simmons. As you pointed out earlier, Richardson can shoot. Not as good as Seth, but he'll still space the floor and keep the defenses honest. And the guys we drafted aren't slouches either.

Thespiralgoeson · 11-19-2020, 03:01 PM

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Some of us don’t necessarily buy in to the improvements that we saw in shooting the three from certain individuals. It’s not that tough to understand.

Let me be more clear. It's not that I don't understand it. It's that I think it's wrong.

Murphy3 · 11-19-2020, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

The problem also is relying on behind the arc. Our records in close games was atrocious and dieing beyond the arc is a big reason. Things get tight at the end of close games and especially in the playoffs. The bucket gets smaller to even the best shooters. You have to be able to get stops or you lose tons of close games.

Absolutely... 100% agree. You have to be able to get stops but you also have to expect shooters to regress a bit from beyond the arc.. which is why I think the Mavs need a truly gifted shooter still. Even if your THJs and DFSs can somehow match their shooting from last year, I expect that to regress in the playoffs.

Murphy3 · 11-19-2020, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Let me be more clear. It's not that I don't understand it. It's that I think it's wrong.

You’re more than welcome to disagree. We won’t know until the season gets underway... fortunately that’s not long.

And again, the Mavs still have a chance to address their issue.

Dtownsfinest · 11-19-2020, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Let me be more clear. It's not that I don't understand it. It's that I think it's wrong.

What's wrong about it?

SMC0007 · 11-19-2020, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

Absolutely... 100% agree. You have to be able to get stops but you also have to expect shooters to regress a bit from beyond the arc.. which is why I think the Mavs need a truly gifted shooter still. Even if your THJs and DFSs can somehow match their shooting from last year, I expect that to regress in the playoffs.

I'd be shocked if they didn't add a shooter. Terry is a great shooter, but you gotta expect that Rick might do Rick things.

Thespiralgoeson · 11-19-2020, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

You’re more than welcome to disagree. We won’t know until the season gets underway... fortunately that’s not long.

And again, the Mavs still have a chance to address their issue.

I don't necessarily disagree that there will be some regression from last year. But I also think the improvement of the players last year is a slight overstatement. Looking at the career numbers of everyone on the roster, DFS and THJ are the only real standouts. They each improved about 4%. I really think that's the Luka effect. I don't expect that much of a drop off.