Official Dirk is Great Thread - Page 34 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

JamesVE · 02-11-2011, 11:18 AM

I love Dirk but man he doesn't even TRY to rebound anymore. Irritates me so much.

dude1394 · 02-11-2011, 11:19 AM

That's why he out-rebounded anyone on the nuggets team last night. Slacker...

CadBane · 02-11-2011, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesVE

I love Dirk but man he doesn't even TRY to rebound anymore. Irritates me so much.

Odd timing. He had 8 last night, including a number of traffic boards. By the way, his DRR% is higher than Pau and Amare's. His rebounds are down due to reduced minutes, injuries, and age. He's still a good defensive rebounder, especially in the big games.

dude1394 · 02-12-2011, 10:22 AM

Doing More Than Everything: True Value of the NBA Player (Part 1)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/6...the-nba-player
PF- Dirk Nowitzki, DAL- Like the three players already discussed, Dirk Nowitzki is somewhat underrated. Ever since his Mavs playoff collapse to Golden State in his MVP-season, everything he has ever done and continues to do is taken less seriously. Frankly, it's ridiculous.
Dirk is having his most efficient season yet, shooting 52 percent from the field and scoring 23 PPG in a career-low 34 MPG. But it's his career achievements that really define his ability. He shoots over 47 percent on FG's, 38 percent on threes and 87 percent from the line. In his 12 seasons prior to this one, he missed a total of 27 games (irrelevant in a sense, but it makes his statistical consistency all the more impressive).
Dirk is arguably the best shooter the NBA has ever seen. The numbers he puts up from the long-range and on three's are matched by no other big man ever, and even smaller sharp shooters aren't as deadly as Dirk. A great defender could occasionally make Reggie Miller miss, but no one can get a hand in the seven foot Dirk's face. And unlike other great shooters, his ability to score near the basket is just as impressive.
His size and natural fade-away element to his shot make everything he puts up impossible to contest, and because he can wreak so much havoc with his close-to-midrange shot, he gets to the line a lot. Way too much for an automatic free-throw shooter. Like every other scorer on this list, his greatness is due to the pick-your-deadly poison element that is attached to attempting to defend him.

Spurred1 · 02-12-2011, 05:36 PM

No offense, but anyone can post an "article" on bleacherreport.
This isn't anything against Dirk or his abilities-just a dig at the "quality" of bleacherreport.

dude1394 · 02-13-2011, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Spurred1

No offense, but anyone can post an "article" on bleacherreport.
This isn't anything against Dirk or his abilities-just a dig at the "quality" of bleacherreport.

What exactly was your point to post this unless to discredit this opinion. Boo on you

BGMaverick9 · 02-13-2011, 06:49 PM

My incredibly high opinion of Dirk went through the roof yesterday and it had nothing to do with anything on the basketball court.

Spurred1 · 02-13-2011, 07:09 PM

^A bit vague. What are you referring to,BG?

Zaknaf3in · 02-13-2011, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

My incredibly high opinion of Dirk went through the roof yesterday and it had nothing to do with anything on the basketball court.

You're such a tease.

dalger · 02-13-2011, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaknaf3in

You're such a tease.

Exactly. If you don't tell us how Dirk satisfied you off the court, BGMaverick, people will come up with all kinds of naughty interpretations...

BGMaverick9 · 02-13-2011, 08:18 PM

MOR will have the story tomorrow night at 6pm

part of it relates to me, part of it is based on how crazy he can be, the rest is just how much he goes out of his way to please people.

dude1394 · 02-13-2011, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

MOR will have the story tomorrow night at 6pm

part of it relates to me, part of it is based on how crazy he can be, the rest is just how much he goes out of his way to please people.

Well BG...you've finally got my attention... I'll have to stop down for that one.

ceelowdream · 02-13-2011, 09:29 PM

I think the rebounds are there. Haven't noticed a fall off.

SMC0007 · 02-14-2011, 12:04 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OmE3B-s8ow

BGMaverick9 · 02-14-2011, 12:08 PM

Behind the scenes with Dirk Nowitzki for his Appearance on The Cleveland Show http://youtu.be/1DY56fgq4MI

DirkFTW · 02-14-2011, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OmE3B-s8ow

Must spread rep.

tsar · 02-14-2011, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DirkFTW

Must spread rep.

"Shaq wish yourself out of there!"

Zaknaf3in · 02-14-2011, 03:49 PM

"You see - LeBron DOES care about Cleveland!"

JamesVE · 02-15-2011, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

That's why he out-rebounded anyone on the nuggets team last night. Slacker...

Anomaly. You won't find Dirk doing that night-in and night-out

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Originally Posted by CadBane

Odd timing. He had 8 last night, including a number of traffic boards. By the way, his DRR% is higher than Pau and Amare's. His rebounds are down due to reduced minutes, injuries, and age. He's still a good defensive rebounder, especially in the big games.

Well, stats are nice, and I realize part of this is due to the injury/timing. But last year he was averaging ~7 a game, and I remember telling my friends last year that it's all downhill from here as I could see he didn't even really try last year either. Bottom line, this is a 7 footer we're talking about with no athletic drop-off from his younger days. It's a pure effort thing - and he gets a pass for whatever reason.

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Originally Posted by ceelowdream

I think the rebounds are there. Haven't noticed a fall off.

Again, this is a more than adequately athletic 7 footer pulling in under rebounds a game. That's 2 guard territory there

Look, guys, I love Dirk as much as the next guy. But this is one thing I refuse to be a homer about or put blinders on. If you just watch the game you can tell he doesn't TRY to rebound. He does NOT put the effort in consistently. Hell, he's normally running back down the court as soon as a shot is put up (and didn't we all get screamed at by our high school coaches for that?). Watching the games you can tell that a good 70-80% of his rebounds are the kind that literally just bounce right to him.

You almost NEVER see Dirk truly battling for a rebound or working to get in position for one. Yes, I know you guys can throw out the occasional 8-9 rebound game from him. But just admit it, the dude doesn't put in the effort to rebound like he should be capable of. I'm just stating the obvious. This dude should have always been averaging double-digit rebounds yet never has been able to. It seems to me he's always gotten a pass on this from Mavs-land.

The main reason this irritates me is that his lack of rebounding effort - when he could easily have a lifetime 10+ rebounding average - plays a big part in his "soft" label nationally. He CAN do it, he just doesn't.

iella · 02-15-2011, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

MOR will have the story tomorrow night at 6pm

part of it relates to me, part of it is based on how crazy he can be, the rest is just how much he goes out of his way to please people.

Listened this morning on the way to work... good stuff. Dirk is awesome, end of story.

I wonder if he really is going to check out MMB...

GermanDunk · 02-15-2011, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Behind the scenes with Dirk Nowitzki for his Appearance on The Cleveland Show http://youtu.be/1DY56fgq4MI

http://www.fox.com/cleveland/full-episodes is not available over here. Can someone up it ?

badfish22 · 02-15-2011, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GermanDunk

http://www.fox.com/cleveland/full-episodes is not available over here. Can someone up it ?

is hulu.com available?

dude1394 · 02-15-2011, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesVE

Anomaly. You won't find Dirk doing that night-in and night-out .

Must spread reputation around before you deduct it from this knucklehead again. Get that crap outta this thread.

BGMaverick9 · 02-15-2011, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by iella

Listened this morning on the way to work... good stuff. Dirk is awesome, end of story.

I wonder if he really is going to check out MMB...

Thanks for listening.

JamesVE · 02-15-2011, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Must spread reputation around before you deduct it from this knucklehead again. Get that crap outta this thread.

Sorry, don't even know what your reputation bit there means.

I said it's an anomaly that Dirk outrebounded each individual player on the opposing team. You say that my saying that is "crap".

Pretty sure that, by and large, the high rebounder in a game on any given night in the NBA is usually ~10 (most times higher).

Yet Dirk averages UNDER 7 rebounds a game. Pretty sure that means that the dude does NOT outrebound the other team night-in and night-out.

Dirk ranks 53rd in rebounding.

So, uhh, yeah... don't really see how I'm wrong here. I guess that makes me a knucklehead for stating the obvious.

tsar · 02-15-2011, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesVE

Sorry, don't even know what your reputation bit there means.

I said it's an anomaly that Dirk outrebounded each individual player on the opposing team. You say that my saying that is "crap".

Pretty sure that, by and large, the high rebounder in a game on any given night in the NBA is usually ~10 (most times higher).

Yet Dirk averages UNDER 7 rebounds a game. Pretty sure that means that the dude does NOT outrebound the other team night-in and night-out.

Dirk ranks 53rd in rebounding.

So, uhh, yeah... don't really see how I'm wrong here. I guess that makes me a knucklehead for stating the obvious.

To be fair; Dirk does have some really good rebounders around him so he doesn't have to bang as much if we were a really small team. Anything he can do preserve himself is fine with me.

bernardos70 · 02-15-2011, 05:24 PM

You know, that Tyson Chandler guy we added this season is a pretty good rebounder. Two turkeys don't make an eagle, Rebounds don't appear out of thin air. Add to that the fact we've been playing zone, means we let more and more rebounds get away from us, as it is a known fact it is more difficult to get a rebound while playing zone, and you'll find the reason Dirk hasn't been getting double-doubles every single game.

CadBane · 02-15-2011, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesVE

Sorry, don't even know what your reputation bit there means.

I said it's an anomaly that Dirk outrebounded each individual player on the opposing team. You say that my saying that is "crap".

Pretty sure that, by and large, the high rebounder in a game on any given night in the NBA is usually ~10 (most times higher).

Yet Dirk averages UNDER 7 rebounds a game. Pretty sure that means that the dude does NOT outrebound the other team night-in and night-out.

Dirk ranks 53rd in rebounding.

So, uhh, yeah... don't really see how I'm wrong here. I guess that makes me a knucklehead for stating the obvious.

You can't look at raw rebound numbers you mental midget! Yes, Dirk's rebounds are down because of age/injuries/minutes. But he is still a good defensive rebounder. He has never, and will never be a big offensive rebounder because that's not what we need him to do. Defensive rebounding is what Dirk does, and he still does it pretty well. Higher DRR% than Amare, Pau, Aldridge, etc.

fluid.forty.one · 02-15-2011, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

You can't look at raw rebound numbers you mental midget! Yes, Dirk's rebounds are down because of age/injuries/minutes. But he is still a good defensive rebounder. He has never, and will never be a big offensive rebounder because that's not what we need him to do. Defensive rebounding is what Dirk does, and he still does it pretty well. Higher DRR% than Amare, Pau, Aldridge, etc.

Why can't you ever make your point without doing this? Honestly. People would like 500x better and listen to you more often.

Murphy3 · 02-15-2011, 05:36 PM

I'm pretty sure you'll see Dirk's rebounding numbers increase once the playoffs start. Sometimes people forget that this is a long season. Dirk and the Mavs have been there and done that. Frankly, they need Dirk a little fresher come playoff time. If that means that he allows Chandler or another Mav to grab a rebound that he would have gotten in the past, so be it. If that means that he loses a rebound to an opponent early in the game, so be it.

41N · 02-15-2011, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GermanDunk

http://www.fox.com/cleveland/full-episodes is not available over here. Can someone up it ?

kein problem...

season 2, episode 13

JamesVE · 02-15-2011, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

You can't look at raw rebound numbers you mental midget! Yes, Dirk's rebounds are down because of age/injuries/minutes. But he is still a good defensive rebounder. He has never, and will never be a big offensive rebounder because that's not what we need him to do. Defensive rebounding is what Dirk does, and he still does it pretty well. Higher DRR% than Amare, Pau, Aldridge, etc.

Well, I'm no rocket scientist but the master's degree hanging on my wall surely makes me more than a mental midget. At least on paper

Nonetheless, I only went on numbers in my retort because one of the original guys to inexplicably criticize me for my opinion threw out the fact that Dirk was the top rebounder in the Denver game to somehow "get" me.

Actually, originally, I stated my opinion not from a numbers-game but from a simple eye-o-meter. I didn't even know that Dirk averaged UNDER 7 rebounds a game until I looked it up today.

Back to the eye-o-meter: the basis of my statements about Dirk's rebounding came from me WATCHING the games and SEEING how he doesn't TRY to go for rebounds. That's just my plain flat out observation. Dirk RARELY even remotely battles/goes for/tries to get rebounds. He does once in a blue moon, yes, hence the occasional 9-10 rebound game. But I'm talking about night-in night-out. If the rebounding effort you see from Dirk this year differs from my description here, then I guess one of us lives in opposite-world.

Also, you say that's not what we "need" Dirk to do. So we've never needed better rebounding in the past twelve years? I'd contend that Dirk has never been a good offensive rebounder simply because he's never been made to do it and likely largely gotten a pass on it - especially in his formative years under Nellie.

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

I'm pretty sure you'll see Dirk's rebounding numbers increase once the playoffs start. Sometimes people forget that this is a long season. Dirk and the Mavs have been there and done that. Frankly, they need Dirk a little fresher come playoff time. If that means that he allows Chandler or another Mav to grab a rebound that he would have gotten in the past, so be it. If that means that he loses a rebound to an opponent early in the game, so be it.

Good, solid, point without attacking me for an opinion. And very true. IIRC Dirk's career rebounding average is 11-12 or somewhere around there.

bernardos70 · 02-15-2011, 07:57 PM

More like 8ish rebounds per game, that's close to his average.

dude1394 · 02-15-2011, 09:19 PM

Masters Statement...

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Originally Posted by JamesVE

I love Dirk but man he doesn't even TRY to rebound anymore. Irritates me so much.

Yea...doesn't even try...

Must spread reputation around before giving PHD knucklehead red box.

dude1394 · 02-15-2011, 09:27 PM

Masters Analysis...

Dirk Career Rebounding Average - 8.4
This year 6.8 rpg..last year 7.7

Lucky that they just fall into his lap being the second highest rebounder on the team...

Dirk's Sidekicks
Dampier RPG career - 7.3 and last year the same.
Tyson this year - 9.4

Anything jump out at you?
Also might want to throw out january and a bit o' february to see how the numbers actually look.

Rick41 · 02-15-2011, 10:42 PM

Screw Tyson Chandler for taking away from Dirk's rebounding numbers!

b_o_r · 02-15-2011, 11:14 PM

Dirk was averaging about 7.5 rebounds before he got injured which is still poor, especially since the team gets creamed in the second chance department. Kidd and Butler also are having poor rebound stats this year, so the rebounds are there for the taking. Rebounding is about effort.

Dirk also averaged 8 rebounds in the playoffs last year which was his worst showing since the 00-01 season playoffs.

JamesVE · 02-15-2011, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bernardos70

More like 8ish rebounds per game, that's close to his average.

He's averaging 6.8 rebounds per game this year. His lifetime playoff average is 10.9

Not sure what you're referring to with 8ish?

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Masters Statement...

Yea...doesn't even try...

Must spread reputation around before giving PHD knucklehead red box.

In all seriousness, I have no clue what the "passing reputation" stuff is you're talking about. If whatever you're saying is supposed to be a dig at me, I'm completely ignorant of its use/importance. So, yeah..

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Masters Analysis...

Dirk Career Rebounding Average - 8.4
This year 6.8 rpg..last year 7.7

Lucky that they just fall into his lap being the second highest rebounder on the team...

Dirk's Sidekicks
Dampier RPG career - 7.3 and last year the same.
Tyson this year - 9.4

Anything jump out at you?
Also might want to throw out january and a bit o' february to see how the numbers actually look.

I believe I was instructed to not look at "raw numbers", but nonetheless - how are we to know Chandlers rebounding prowess over his predecessor as an explanation for Dirk's lack of rebounding isn't just a spurious correlation?

Barring some staggeringly in-depth statistical analysis involving a huge range of factors and variables, I'd say there's virtually no way to prove or disprove your theory there. But I will say that with your logic, Kidd's down a rebound a game from last year - so shouldn't that mean Dirk should average an extra rebound? And so on and so on. See, it's nearly impossible to say.

All I'm saying is that from what I've observed from watching Dirk this year, he doesn't try to rebound as much as he should and is capable of. That's it. That's my whole point. Yet you seem to be, for some reason, mortally offended that I'm critiquing the effort of a professional basketball player who is of relation to neither of us.

Barring Dirk being your long-lost brother or something, I'm kind of puzzled by your passive-aggressive reaction to my opinion.

At least b_o_r seems to have some common sense/logic here

grndmstr_c · 02-16-2011, 12:04 AM

As of Jan 19th (last 82games update) Dirk was pulling down 10.2 rp48 at PF. That's as compared to 9.8 rp48 last season and 10.6 two years ago. His best years on the glass were when Avery was here when he'd get up in the 11.6 rp48 range, and he's definitely fallen below that, but there's been no drop-off this year unless it's happened since the injury, in which case I'm not inclined to get too worked up about it.

And anyway, as dude said, this is the 'Random Dirk is Great Thread', so I'd much rather be talking about how awesome he is.

CadBane · 02-16-2011, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

Why can't you ever make your point without doing this? Honestly. People would like 500x better and listen to you more often.

Because he's an idiot troll so he got an idiot troll retort.