12-18-2014, 07:09 PM
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Carlisle has a chance to help Rondo revamp himself of being the superstar he is. Let's get him practicing already. Good thing this trade went down before January and didn't drag out.
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12-18-2014, 07:21 PM
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YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH big fan of rajon, my favorite players on my team monta dirk rajon, now leaving the exciting on a side for a few seconds, lets look on the pros and cons
PROS:-Elite playmaker guard
-B- defensive player, but a huge improvement from what jameer/devin/jj/monta bring to the table
-His gonna make dirk minutes count, as he is a pick&roll player as monta is and an even better passer than monta
-Not a great shooter, but when he's on uh boy..
-Experience and leadership, someone who developes loyalty to a franchise, he stayed in hell after kg,truth and allen left
CONS: -Losing wright is the bitter candy to chew, dude was playing solid minutes from the bench and now it's gonna be up to what tyson can do, as i dont see greg smith playing the minutes brandan was having
-Jae has always been an streak guy on offense, but on defense he was really solid, specially when we had to look for solutions when our on court defense wasn't working out
-Jameer's 3 point shot, when he was on it really affected the course of the game, sadly he as jae is a streak guy
-Again we lose another first round pick for the draft, lets hope next year's draft is a shitty one(which I seriously doubt)
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12-18-2014, 07:25 PM
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I wouldnt read too much into the Rondo post-contender stats...its a big difference playing for the playoffs/title or playing with a rebuilding team.
I dont expect 08-10 Rondo but he will be much better than 12-14 Rondo...
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12-18-2014, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by sefant77
I wouldnt read too much into the Rondo post-contender stats...its a big difference playing for the playoffs/title or playing with a rebuilding team.
I dont expect 08-10 Rondo but he will be much better than 12-14 Rondo...
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his numbers are gonna get stacked on this roster, specially his assits, but now u have 5 guys who can score, if we were a matchup nightmare before, now shit just got real son!lol
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12-18-2014, 07:33 PM
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How does he fit offensively next to Ellis?
If Ellis continues to be the primary ball-handler and playmaker for us, then Rondo is a major offensive liability and we are playing 4 on 5. If Rondo takes those primary ball-handling duties, as a traditional point guard would, then you’re really taking away the playmaking that Monta has given us these last 2 years.
With Monta, the point guard in this offense is really more of a spot-up shooter.
Not sure how Carlisle handles this.
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12-18-2014, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Wang Zhi Zhi
How does he fit offensively next to Ellis?
If Ellis continues to be the primary ball-handler and playmaker for us, then Rondo is a major offensive liability and we are playing 4 on 5. If Rondo takes those primary ball-handling duties, as a traditional point guard would, then you’re really taking away the playmaking that Monta has given us these last 2 years.
With Monta, the point guard in this offense is really more of a spot-up shooter.
Not sure how Carlisle handles this.
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true but carisle's system isn't like that, he rotates the guards from pg to sg depending the circumstances of the game, there's gonna be times when rajon gets the ball and times when monta gets it, monta is our best player so nobody's gonna deny him the ball
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12-18-2014, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Wang Zhi Zhi
How does he fit offensively next to Ellis?
If Ellis continues to be the primary ball-handler and playmaker for us, then Rondo is a major offensive liability and we are playing 4 on 5. If Rondo takes those primary ball-handling duties, as a traditional point guard would, then you’re really taking away the playmaking that Monta has given us these last 2 years.
With Monta, the point guard in this offense is really more of a spot-up shooter.
Not sure how Carlisle handles this.
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I agree. Monta is great, but he needs the ball in his hands to be the scorer/playmaker he is. Notice earlier this season, Monta's number were down because the ball was in Nelson's hands WAYY too much.
I don't know how this gets resolved. But I trust Rick.
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12-18-2014, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Wang Zhi Zhi
How does he fit offensively next to Ellis?
If Ellis continues to be the primary ball-handler and playmaker for us, then Rondo is a major offensive liability and we are playing 4 on 5. If Rondo takes those primary ball-handling duties, as a traditional point guard would, then you’re really taking away the playmaking that Monta has given us these last 2 years.
With Monta, the point guard in this offense is really more of a spot-up shooter.
Not sure how Carlisle handles this.
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Ellis has the better jump shot, so with Rondo on the floor, I'd bet on Rondo handling the ball more often than not. But if in an alternate reality, RC can go the way of Coach Kidd and use a 2 PG look, where you can disguise sets by interchangeably using Monta/Rondo. If Rondo has the weaker defender, than you use Rondo as the primary, if Ellis has the weaker defender, than Ellis becomes the primary. It takes a little of the pressure off both players being the focal point. So when opponents try to break down game film and try to look for consistencies, RC can give multiple options using either Rondo and Ellis as the primary. It just adds to the offensive options, while improving the defense at the point of initiation. Now another option, do you put Ellis on the defensive point, and allow Rondo to roam as a free safety? Or do you suffocate their point with Rondo.
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12-18-2014, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Kidd Karma
Ellis has the better jump shot, so with Rondo on the floor, I'd bet on Rondo handling the ball more often than not. But if in an alternate reality, RC can go the way of Coach Kidd and use a 2 PG look, where you can disguise sets by interchangeably using Monta/Rondo. If Rondo has the weaker defender, than you use Rondo as the primary, if Ellis has the weaker defender, than Ellis becomes the primary. It takes a little of the pressure off both players being the focal point. So when opponents try to break down game film and try to look for consistencies, RC can give multiple options using either Rondo and Ellis as the primary. It just adds to the offensive options, while improving the defense at the point of initiation. Now another option, do you put Ellis on the defensive point, and allow Rondo to roam as a free safety? Or do you suffocate their point with Rondo.
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That is interesting about suffocating their point. I guess they can just put rondo on the more dangerous player.
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12-18-2014, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Wang Zhi Zhi
How does he fit offensively next to Ellis?
If Ellis continues to be the primary ball-handler and playmaker for us, then Rondo is a major offensive liability and we are playing 4 on 5. If Rondo takes those primary ball-handling duties, as a traditional point guard would, then you’re really taking away the playmaking that Monta has given us these last 2 years.
With Monta, the point guard in this offense is really more of a spot-up shooter.
Not sure how Carlisle handles this.
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Rondo is a pass first PG. I've kept up with him since he was a rookie. When the guy has options, he thinks to pass first than chucking it up like Jameer did. Rondo and Monta have the possibility to compliment each others game tremendously.
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12-18-2014, 07:31 PM
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Will he be able to play saturday?
Powell is an intriguing player too...
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12-18-2014, 07:34 PM
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Will he be able to play saturday?
Powell is an intriguing player too...
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its possible, it depends on if tomorrow he arrives to dallas and joins at practice, if not i wouldn't start him, game on saturday is gonna be a dog fight, i'd start jj who knows the system
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12-18-2014, 07:35 PM
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Will he be able to play saturday?
Powell is an intriguing player too...
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Can Powell at least rebound?
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12-18-2014, 07:45 PM
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Can Powell at least rebound?
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Well, i honestly don't know, just watched videos
But hey he is a rookie that was on a bad team loaded with big guys (Zeller, Olynyk, Bass, Sullinger, Faverani, etc.). Not saying he is good, but maybe useful.
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12-18-2014, 07:54 PM
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Well, i honestly don't know, just watched videos
But hey he is a rookie that was on a bad team loaded with big guys (Zeller, Olynyk, Bass, Sullinger, Faverani, etc.). Not saying he is good, but maybe useful.
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I was actually hoping the Mavs would draft him in the second round. I like his size, athleticism, and intelligence. It will still take several years like all bigs in the NBA, but I was hoping he turns out to be a solid role player type of guy ... that is 6'11".
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12-18-2014, 07:38 PM
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Interesting....
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-...on-rondo-trade
Mavericks title odds jump to 8-1 after Rajon Rondo trade
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12-18-2014, 07:40 PM
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Was just about to post this.
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12-18-2014, 07:38 PM
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hey guys, who's playing at the five on the texas legends?
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12-18-2014, 07:38 PM
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Will be fun to see Chandler Parsons and Ellis play with a pg of this caliber.
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12-18-2014, 07:41 PM
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@BallinWithBryan: Parsons noted that he knows Rondo "fairly well." They're both affiliated with Anta shoes.
@espn_macmahon: Chandler Parsons: "Rajon Rondo is a stud. When you get a chance to acquire a guy like that, you’ve got to take full advantage of it."
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12-18-2014, 07:43 PM
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@CelticsLife: Worth noting Dirk took a lesser contract to go for another title & Mavs got Parsons/Chandler/Rondo. Kobe went for the $$$ & LAL got Boozer
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12-18-2014, 07:56 PM
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@CelticsLife: Worth noting Dirk took a lesser contract to go for another title & Mavs got Parsons/Chandler/Rondo. Kobe went for the $$$ & LAL got Boozer
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And Melo got Dalembert, Jose Calderon, and Shane Larkin.
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12-18-2014, 08:00 PM
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@CelticsLife: Worth noting Dirk took a lesser contract to go for another title & Mavs got Parsons/Chandler/Rondo. Kobe went for the $$$ & LAL got Boozer
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Could this day get any better? Drinking time!
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12-18-2014, 08:06 PM
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Could this day get any better? Drinking time!
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I wanna hear the Clutchfans
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12-18-2014, 08:08 PM
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I wanna hear the Clutchfans
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The clutchfans are saying we decimated our bench?????? Goofy really. We certainly will miss wright, but jae was getting dnp-cd anyway.
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12-18-2014, 08:14 PM
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I wanna hear the Clutchfans
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They are siding with Morey on this one like they usually do.
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12-18-2014, 08:45 PM
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I wanna hear the Clutchfans
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Why are they so obsessed with us? I really don't get it.
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12-18-2014, 08:33 PM
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Could this day get any better? Drinking time!
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shit i was thinking about it but got so many shit to do for school lol,im so hyped though i can't even study
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12-18-2014, 07:44 PM
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i've just realized that powell is the same height that brandan is, definitely not the same caliber player though
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12-18-2014, 08:01 PM
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We already had the best offense in the league playing without a starting PG. What does this do to our offense now??
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12-18-2014, 08:06 PM
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We already had the best offense in the league playing without a starting PG. What does this do to our offense now??
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Can't imagine the offense getting better after losing Wright. I am looking forward to seeing what the starting unit can do once they've had time to integrate Rondo.
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12-18-2014, 08:06 PM
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You know how guards torched us?
Parker against us
This year - 23ppg on 60% shooting and 100% (4-4) from three
Parker against Rondo's Celtics
This year - 9ppg on 30% shooting and 0% (0-0) from three
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12-18-2014, 08:07 PM
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You know how guards torched us?
Parker against us
This year - 23ppg on 60% shooting and 100% (4-4) from three
Parker against Rondo's Celtics
This year - 9ppg on 30% shooting and 0% (0-0) from three
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Not having seen the game(s), I'd guess Bradley deserves more credit for that.
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12-18-2014, 08:08 PM
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Rondo also has attitude. This video shows some immaturity, but the Heat stuff is pretty awesome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM3Vzd_DAO0
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12-18-2014, 08:15 PM
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Some of that was when he was really young. Rondo plays with an edge which is highly needed for us. Tyson won't have to be the only one playing mean defense now.
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12-18-2014, 08:50 PM
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LOL I love it!! But why is this kid so angry?? He even picked a fight with COUSINS, who has about 100 pounds on him!!! And Boogie is the most mentally unstable player in the league. Rondo has no fear.
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12-18-2014, 08:53 PM
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LOL I love it!! But why is this kid so angry?? He even picked a fight with COUSINS!!! And Boogie is the most mentally unstable player in the league. Rondo has no fear.
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We've been missing that type of player since DeShawn/Delonte!!!!
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12-18-2014, 08:58 PM
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We've been missing that type of player since DeShawn/Delonte!!!!
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LOL I miss Delonte's craziness. Was really sad when he was kicked off the team, especially since that same season we ended up signing Mike James to run the point when we had a perfectly capable PG in Delonte. And I'll never forget that tweet he sent out after he learned he was kicked off the team. I still miss him.
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12-19-2014, 01:23 AM
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Yes!!!
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I love me some Van Exel, DeShawn Stevenson, Stackhouse, and Jet....
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12-18-2014, 08:09 PM
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I love this trade. Rondo and Tyson together gives Dallas's defense a HUGE upgrade. Our defense have been bad on most nights so far, Rondo's defense is so tenacious, its scary. I just hope they can stay healthy. I like Brandan Wright and Jae Crowder, wasn't a huge fan of Jameer, but we needed to improve on defense so bad.
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