Mavs get Parsons!!! - Page 13 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-11-2014, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

Seriously? I didn't just now start getting negative about the Mavs front office. I think they screwed the pooch after the championship and I think they've been screwing it pretty consistently since. Yes, they've improved, but I don't know that they can recover to not completely waste Dirk's final years as they have since the championship. The Mavs can't draft. They've obviously misjudged the impact that the new CBA would have on free agency. Cuban couldn't even tear himself away from Shark Tank long enough to visit with a free agent that he felt was key.

And my criticism of jumping the gun wouldn't involve you then now would it?

No doubt the Mavs misread the new CBA, and unbelievably so. Cuban just shouldn't have made predictions period, but he had to justify not bring back the championship team at the time. It was a tough choice to make, and he made it.

But he also appeased the many Chandler fans by bringing him back. At least an owner can admit to a mistake by doing something like that. I understood at the time why he did it, and I understand why he brings him back now. The game of thrones NBA style isn't an easy one to play. Not when you're in the toughest division in the league.

LonghornDub · 07-11-2014, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

Cuban couldn't even tear himself away from Shark Tank long enough to visit with a free agent that he felt was key.

As I understand it, Cuban didn't want Deron. Donnie and/or Rick did. Cuban's staying at Shark Tank was subterfuge. Notice how he's been there in person for the two big FA meetings since.

Murphy3 · 07-11-2014, 07:06 PM

I highly doubt that the Mavs would have signed Deron if Cuban wasn't all in.

Melonhead · 07-11-2014, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

And my criticism of jumping the gun wouldn't involve you then now would it?

No doubt the Mavs misread the new CBA, and unbelievably so. Cuban just shouldn't have made predictions period, but he had to justify not bring back the championship team at the time. It was a tough choice to make, and he made it.

But he also appeased the many Chandler fans by bringing him back. At least an owner can admit to a mistake by doing something like that. I understood at the time why he did it, and I understand why he brings him back now. The game of thrones NBA style isn't an easy one to play. Not when you're in the toughest division in the league.

did not happen. He doubled down on his moves. But Im happy as hell Tyson is back.

LonghornDub · 07-11-2014, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

I highly doubt that the Mavs would have signed Deron if Cuban wasn't all in.

They didn't sign Deron.

Regardless, believe what you want. This is information from people who are well connected.

Murphy3 · 07-11-2014, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

They didn't sign Deron.

Regardless, believe what you want. This is information from people who are well connected.

No one is saying that they did. I'm saying that they wouldn't have signed Deron if he were willing if Cuban wasn't on board. It's not too hard to figure out.

BGMaverick9 · 07-11-2014, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

As I understand it, Cuban didn't want Deron. Donnie and/or Rick did. Cuban's staying at Shark Tank was subterfuge. Notice how he's been there in person for the two big FA meetings since.

Ding, ding.

Mav Addict · 07-11-2014, 07:49 PM

FWIW Deron stated the acquisition of Joe Johnson swayed him to stay, but who truly knows.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/stor...-brooklyn-nets

dude1394 · 07-11-2014, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

I highly doubt that the Mavs would have signed Deron if Cuban wasn't all in.

Agreed..what was it supposed to be deniable plausibility or something? You are in or you are out when you are making that decision. Cuban saying different now is spin.

dude1394 · 07-11-2014, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Ding, ding.

Sounds more like he's learned his lesson.

dude1394 · 07-11-2014, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jay3189

If Rockets match the Mavericks offer, Dallas better look at Luol Deng, Trevor Ariza and Lance Stephenson quick. I heard the Suns are really trying to get Luol Deng

If Houston matches they don't have need of an ariza,Deng. Miami definitely does and IMO,will get first pick.

BGMaverick9 · 07-11-2014, 08:09 PM

Asking around, the Mavs definitely don't feel like they're assuming they'll get Parsons, but they're still optimistic. Feel like it's 50/50.

Windmill360 · 07-11-2014, 08:27 PM

I want to know what significant RFA's weren't matched? Carlos Boozer to Utah comes to mind but who else? I assume this doesnt happen a lot.

BGMaverick9 · 07-11-2014, 08:29 PM

You could make a case that it happened today with IT in Sacramento.

LonghornDub · 07-11-2014, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

No one is saying that they did. I'm saying that they wouldn't have signed Deron if he were willing if Cuban wasn't on board. It's not too hard to figure out.

Sure they would have. Cuban was willing to pay the dough if the guy said yes, or else he would have just told Donnie and Rick, "No, I'm not meeting with them and neither are you." He was willing to defer to his lieutenants, he just wasn't sold enough to attend the meeting himself.

Again, believe what you want. It's not that hard to figure out, after all.

Melonhead · 07-11-2014, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Asking around, the Mavs definitely don't feel like they're assuming they'll get Parsons, but they're still optimistic. Feel like it's 50/50.

Thats how i feel. Gonna really come down to 9pm PST on Sunday before it becomes known

Murphy3 · 07-11-2014, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mav Addict

FWIW Deron stated the acquisition of Joe Johnson swayed him to stay, but who truly knows.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/stor...-brooklyn-nets

He has also said that Cuban not being there was disappointing.

Murphy3 · 07-11-2014, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Sure they would have. Cuban was willing to pay the dough if the guy said yes, or else he would have just told Donnie and Rick, "No, I'm not meeting with them and neither are you." He was willing to defer to his lieutenants, he just wasn't sold enough to attend the meeting himself.

Again, believe what you want. It's not that hard to figure out, after all.

You're off on this one.

BGMaverick9 · 07-11-2014, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

He has also said that Cuban not being there was disappointing.

He wasn't going to show.

Murphy3 · 07-11-2014, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Ding, ding.

Nope

LonghornDub · 07-11-2014, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

You're off on this one.

dude1394 · 07-11-2014, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360

I want to know what significant RFA's weren't matched? Carlos Boozer to Utah comes to mind but who else? I assume this doesnt happen a lot.

Heh heh.. Steve Nash.

dude1394 · 07-11-2014, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Sure they would have. Cuban was willing to pay the dough if the guy said yes, or else he would have just told Donnie and Rick, "No, I'm not meeting with them and neither are you." He was willing to defer to his lieutenants, he just wasn't sold enough to attend the meeting himself.

Again, believe what you want. It's not that hard to figure out, after all.

Well.. Pretty whacky way to sign your dirk successor IMO.

TrappedInDenver · 07-11-2014, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by G-Man

Exhibit A: Monte Ellis for 8 million. Perhaps the best free agent bargain of 2013.

Love Monta as he's fun to watch but I'd give that award to Paul Milsap.

Mav Addict · 07-11-2014, 09:43 PM

Clutch fans do not want want Parsons at $14.7M per, and think Ariza will take 8-9M per to play there ...the problem is Ariza has stated that he wants $12M per.

They think Deng does not fit their roster.

Also there's a common notion that even with the addition of Parsons and Chandler that we are still nothing more than an 8th seed.

However, they do not underestimate Carlisle.

DGM · 07-11-2014, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

You could make a case that it happened today with IT in Sacramento.

If Bulls amnesty Boozer Mavs should pounce.

Windmill360 · 07-11-2014, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Heh heh.. Steve Nash.

Was he restricted? I remember the part where he gave Cuban time to match, but I thought he was totally free

Popeye · 07-11-2014, 09:45 PM

Lots of revisionist history to say Cuban didn't want Derron. It's the same Cuban defenders that said him not being there was due to sharktank contractual obligations that were impossible to break. Or that actually being there didn't matter because they could utilize video conference technology.

jthig32 · 07-11-2014, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360

I want to know what significant RFA's weren't matched? Carlos Boozer to Utah comes to mind but who else? I assume this doesnt happen a lot.

Joe Johnson and Wes Mathews come to mind.

Nash was not restricted.

BGMaverick9 · 07-11-2014, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

Nope

I can tell you for a fact that LonghornDub is right.

jthig32 · 07-11-2014, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Popeye

Lots of revisionist history to say Cuban didn't want Derron. It's the same Cuban defenders that said him not being there was due to sharktank contractual obligations that were impossible to break. Or that actually being there didn't matter because they could utilize video conference technology.

I'm not convinced it's not revisionist history, but I definitely heard Cuban on the radio before free agency and he absolutely hinted that they were waffling on whether it was better to give all your space to one guy or build depth. He made it pretty clear that the front office was not yet in agreement.

jthig32 · 07-11-2014, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I can tell you for a fact that LonghornDub is right.

Well, to be fair, you can tell us for a fact that Cuban claims this is what happened.

BGMaverick9 · 07-11-2014, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Popeye

Lots of revisionist history to say Cuban didn't want Derron. It's the same Cuban defenders that said him not being there was due to sharktank contractual obligations that were impossible to break. Or that actually being there didn't matter because they could utilize video conference technology.

I'm not sure how it's revisionist history when it was mentioned shortly after Deron's decision that Cuban didn't want him.

jthig32 · 07-11-2014, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I'm not sure how it's revisionist history when it was mentioned shortly after Deron's decision that Cuban didn't want him.

Because it's a very natural human reaction to rationalize how much you wanted something in the first place when you don't get it.

Cerberus · 07-11-2014, 09:51 PM

edit:Wrong thread

Mav Addict · 07-11-2014, 09:52 PM

I really want Parsons here, although Deng was my first option, only b/c I thought Parsons was an unrealistic expectation.

One can only hope Morey doesn't match, in order to pursuit a pipe dream "superstar" lineup for next year.

G-Man · 07-11-2014, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

He has also said that Cuban not being there was disappointing.

Not as disappointing as his performance with the Nets. DWill averaged 14 points and 6 assists in 32 minutes. Calderon got us 11 and 5 for half the price. And we are arguing over him ...why? To make Cuban look stupid? Or clairvoyant?

LonghornDub · 07-11-2014, 10:06 PM

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Because it's a very natural human reaction to rationalize how much you wanted something in the first place when you don't get it.

The case for "rationalization" or "revisionist history" (and I'm not saying you said those things) would be a lot more compelling if his actions weren't entirely consistent with the idea.

If people (again, not you) want to think it's just a coincidence that Cuban skipped one particular FA meeting out of three--even though all three of them happened at the same time of year, and he's been on Shark Tank all three times--I find that curious. I find it especially curious because, as you point out, many of his comments well before the meeting hinted at disagreement among the FO. He made no similar comments before the latter two FA meetings, which he attended.

*edit* Would also note that the "revisionist history" comment to which BG responded was accusing people in this thread--not Cuban himself--of revisionist history right now. Hence BG's response that it's not exactly revisionist history when the information is several years old and contemporaneous with the event.

Popeye · 07-11-2014, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

The case for "rationalization" or "revisionist history" (and I'm not saying you said those things) would be a lot more compelling if his actions weren't entirely consistent with the idea.

If people (again, not you) want to think it's just a coincidence that Cuban skipped one particular FA meeting out of three--even though all three of them happened at the same time of year, and he's been on Shark Tank all three times--I find that curious. I find it especially curious because, as you point out, many of his comments well before the meeting hinted at disagreement among the FO. He made no similar comments before the latter two FA meetings, which he attended.

Weren't you the one telling me about a possible liquidated damages provision in his SharkTank contract that could allow the network to sue Cuban for his personal assets?

LonghornDub · 07-11-2014, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Popeye

Weren't you the one telling me about a possible liquidated damages provision in his SharkTank contract that could allow the network to sue Cuban for his personal assets?

Nope. I have no idea if that's true one way or another.

I will note that a "liquidated damages" provision wouldn't "allow" them to sue, but that's a story so boring it even puts me to sleep.