The OFFICIAL 2010 Dallas Cowboys Dumping Ground

[Male30Dan]

Originally Posted by alexamenos

Because prior to my bringing the subject up, you never once indicated that anything mattered other than draft position. In 9 responses to posts by me that things other than draft position matter, you've not posted a single statement to indicate that you considered anything other than draft position.

Does that answer your question?

So you truly think all I care about is draft position? Like, that's it? Draft position. My football world ends after the draft. That's what you genuinely believe from a handful of posts on this message board? Have you read anything else I have posted in this thread prior to 1-7? Anything after 1-7 on other threads?

Again, assumptions... You hang your hat squarely on top of them.

[alexamenos]

Originally Posted by Male29Dan

So you truly think all I care about is draft position?

Your judgement that winning a football game was dumb and stupid, and that having some modicum of success during the second half of the season was a tremendous failure is based entirely on the fact that this dropped the 'boys a handful of positions in the draft.

It is implicitly your position that the Cowboys should have tanked Game 16, yet you cannot and will not respond to the unintended consequences of deliberately losing.

I asked a string of questions regarding considerations in tanking here, and you did not (probably could not) answer one single question.

You have not addressed the obvious question: How would a command from above to throw this game affect Witten, Ware, Ratcliff, Garrett, etc., etc...? You haven't addressed it and it's abundantly evident that you've never really considered it.

It's not an assumption, Dan, that your judgement that the Cowboys should have tanked on Sunday is strictly based on how it affects their draft position (without concern for how it affects 30+ players and coaches who will be returning next season), but instead it is an inference based on an abundance of evidence.

Perhaps you'd be able to tighten up your arguments a bit if you'd learn the difference between an inference and an assumption.

[Male30Dan]

Originally Posted by alexamenos

Your judgement that winning a football game was dumb and stupid, and that having some modicum of success during the second half of the season was a tremendous failure is based entirely on the fact that this dropped the 'boys a handful of positions in the draft.

It is implicitly your position that the Cowboys should have tanked Game 16, yet you cannot and will not respond to the unintended consequences of deliberately losing.

I asked a string of questions regarding considerations in tanking here, and you did not (probably could not) answer one single question.

You have not addressed the obvious question: How would a command from above to throw this game affect Witten, Ware, Ratcliff, Garrett, etc., etc...? You haven't addressed it and it's abundantly evident that you've never really considered it.

It's not an assumption, Dan, that your judgement that the Cowboys should have tanked on Sunday is strictly based on how it affects their draft position (without concern for how it affects 30+ players and coaches who will be returning next season), but instead it is an inference based on an abundance of evidence.

Perhaps you'd be able to tighten up your arguments a bit if you'd learn the difference between an inference and an assumption.

Basically that entire post (and your entire argument for that matter) is you saying "no, I understand you are telling me you did consider it, but I am assuming you didn't because you didn't post back to me in a time that meets my needs and because you ranted after a tough loss (a loss in my eyes anyway)." How do I argue against that stellar logic? You don't. You waddle in it. That is exactly what I have been doing for the better part of 2 hours today. Waddling in ignorance and ill-conceived ASSUMPTIONS.

I know you are just itching to post again (because stupidity loves company and your posts enjoy having new friends to play with) so feel free to have it from here. Literally - no more from me.

[alexamenos]

Originally Posted by Male29Dan

Basically that entire post (and your entire argument for that matter) is you saying "no, I understand you are telling me you did consider it, but I am assuming you didn't because you didn't post back to me in a time that meets my needs and because you ranted after a tough loss (a loss in my eyes anyway)."

This is what I like to call "bullshit". You've got nothing and I know it. If you had indeed considered anything other than draft order (eg, how tanking might affect the rest of the organization) you could easily have addressed it by now, but instead you puff out your chest and hope nobody notices that you're full of s____.

Madden29Dan, it's really really really easy to understand the benefit of moving up 3 spots in the draft. Anybody with enough skill to turn on a playstation and stick in the Madden disk can figure this out. I could have saved you a whole lot of effort in this regard:

6 picks before 9. All other things being equal, I'd rather pick earlier than later.

See how easy that was?

It's a bit harder to count the costs of tanking, but regardless even a fool knows that you can't only consider the benefits of an action and completely disregard the costs. (Well, obviously not all fools understand this or we wouldn't be having this discussion, would we?)

Personally, I don't think there is anyway on earth Jones could have asked Garrett to tank the game. Not because Garrett was *auditioning* for the HC job and a *W* would help, but instead because tanking the game would have completely undermined Garrett's efforts at constructing the sort of culture in the locker room that he wants.

(locker room culture...not exactly something you have to worry about in your Madden franchise is it?)

With three draft spots you're talking about the marginal difference in talent between two guys that are very, very close in talent to begin with. When thinking about locker room culture, you're talking about something that can have a significant impact upon every player on the team in every game.

Suffice it to say that constructing the *right* (whatever that may be) kind of culture, and avoiding actions which might undermine that culture, is arguably more valuable than 3 draft spots. To never consider this, and then dismiss those who do consider this as *dumb* is the height of foolishness.

But I will give you this Madden29Dan....this isn't the most foolish argument I've seen you make in these forums....that would be your sundry arguments in the "who should be the 'boys next coach" thread...perhaps you're making progress.

[Male30Dan]

Originally Posted by alexamenos

I am a complete moron that has no business doing anything other than waxing the folds in my body where hair tends to grow fastest.

I would disagree... You could easily hurt yourself doing that.