2020-2021 Season thread - Page 14 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

EricaLubarsky · 03-19-2021, 05:24 PM

Dallas41 · 03-21-2021, 12:03 AM

If you just observe of the league from tonight you can kind of get idea of just how avg or inconsistent the Mavs are....

Two examples would be Philly and Atlanta

Philly even without Embiid and Simmons in the lineup won another game tonight. This is the 2nd time recently that team has won with both of those of those guys sitting out.

Tobias Harris as a 3rd option is so much better than anyone we have on this roster and Dwight Howard despite the hate he gets is so much better than big'swe have on the roster in terms of rebounding & defense yet the Mavs didn't even want him.

It really speaks volumes as to the roster we have around Luka and KP.

Atlanta has done something that the Mavs haven't accomplished all season extend a winning streak beyond 4 games.

Regardless of schedule it just puzzles me as to how Atlanta could stay focused and win 8 straight games with a defense that isn't that much better than the Mavs. There's no way in hell anyone though the Hawks would be equal to or better than the Mavs.

The Spurs are practically trying to give the Mavs the division title and the Mavs continue to be so inconsistent it's like they are just going to settle for the 8th seed and be content.

Dtownsfinest · 03-24-2021, 12:22 PM

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If you just observe of the league from tonight you can kind of get idea of just how avg or inconsistent the Mavs are....

Two examples would be Philly and Atlanta

Philly even without Embiid and Simmons in the lineup won another game tonight. This is the 2nd time recently that team has won with both of those of those guys sitting out.

Tobias Harris as a 3rd option is so much better than anyone we have on this roster and Dwight Howard despite the hate he gets is so much better than big'swe have on the roster in terms of rebounding & defense yet the Mavs didn't even want him.

It really speaks volumes as to the roster we have around Luka and KP.

Atlanta has done something that the Mavs haven't accomplished all season extend a winning streak beyond 4 games.

Regardless of schedule it just puzzles me as to how Atlanta could stay focused and win 8 straight games with a defense that isn't that much better than the Mavs. There's no way in hell anyone though the Hawks would be equal to or better than the Mavs.

The Spurs are practically trying to give the Mavs the division title and the Mavs continue to be so inconsistent it's like they are just going to settle for the 8th seed and be content.

I play a lot of daily fantasy....and one thing I'm amazed at is how teams can be missing their MVP or two of their best players and still compete and play better than teams fully healthy.

Thespiralgoeson · 03-24-2021, 12:44 PM

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If you just observe of the league from tonight you can kind of get idea of just how avg or inconsistent the Mavs are....

Two examples would be Philly and Atlanta

Philly even without Embiid and Simmons in the lineup won another game tonight. This is the 2nd time recently that team has won with both of those of those guys sitting out.

Tobias Harris as a 3rd option is so much better than anyone we have on this roster and Dwight Howard despite the hate he gets is so much better than big'swe have on the roster in terms of rebounding & defense yet the Mavs didn't even want him.

It really speaks volumes as to the roster we have around Luka and KP.

Honestly I think that says a lot more about Philly than it does about the Mavs. You take any team around the league and take out their two best players, and pretty much everyone except Sixers and the Nets are going to suck. Look at the Lakers.

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Atlanta has done something that the Mavs haven't accomplished all season extend a winning streak beyond 4 games.

Regardless of schedule it just puzzles me as to how Atlanta could stay focused and win 8 straight games with a defense that isn't that much better than the Mavs. There's no way in hell anyone though the Hawks would be equal to or better than the Mavs.

Atlanta has a nice win streak going. Good for them. Why should I care? How does this an indictment of the Mavs? With the exception of the OKC game where Luka and KP both sat out (a decision I didn't agree with either, but it is what it is) just about every game the Mavs have lost in the last two months has come against an arguably better team. You think because we went 2-2 against the Clippers and the Blazers that means the Mavs aren't "focused" like the Hawks. The Clippers are unequivocally better than the Mavericks, and the Blazers are arguably better too. 2-2 is a success.

EricaLubarsky · 03-24-2021, 01:30 PM

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Honestly I think that says a lot more about Philly than it does about the Mavs. You take any team around the league and take out their two best players, and pretty much everyone except Sixers and the Nets are going to suck. Look at the Lakers.

Atlanta has a nice win streak going. Good for them. Why should I care? How does this an indictment of the Mavs? With the exception of the OKC game where Luka and KP both sat out (a decision I didn't agree with either, but it is what it is) just about every game the Mavs have lost in the last two months has come against an arguably better team. You think because we went 2-2 against the Clippers and the Blazers that means the Mavs aren't "focused" like the Hawks. The Clippers are unequivocally better than the Mavericks, and the Blazers are arguably better too. 2-2 is a success.

So much this.

I still will never understand why some Mavs fans take every opportunity to trash on the Mavs or find unflattering comparisons.

Nets and 76ers are loaded. Outside those teams, who does well without their top players?

Clippers without Leonard and George? Nope
Lakers without LeBron and AD? Nope and we have proof
Hawks without Young/Collins? Nope
Suns without Booker/Paul? Nope
Spurs without Derozan/Murray? Nope
Warriors without Curry/Thompson? Nope and we have proof.
Bucks without Giannis and Middleton? Nope
Jazz without Mitchell/Gobert? Nope
Nuggets without Jokic/Murray? Nope

Dtownsfinest · 03-24-2021, 04:46 PM

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So much this.

I still will never understand why some Mavs fans take every opportunity to trash on the Mavs or find unflattering comparisons.

Nets and 76ers are loaded. Outside those teams, who does well without their top players?

Clippers without Leonard and George? Nope
Lakers without LeBron and AD? Nope and we have proof
Hawks without Young/Collins? Nope
Suns without Booker/Paul? Nope
Spurs without Derozan/Murray? Nope
Warriors without Curry/Thompson? Nope and we have proof.
Bucks without Giannis and Middleton? Nope
Jazz without Mitchell/Gobert? Nope
Nuggets without Jokic/Murray? Nope

I think its just a matter of being disappointed with the season. There are times when the Mavs are fully healthy and don't look as good as the Sixers do without Embid. I have no idea why this is. I want to blame coaching but I don't consider Rivers to be that much of a upgrade over Carlisle if at all. Maybe its a matter of talent or lack thereof.

And the above is not entirely true. Those teams can miss one of their best players.....I saw the Bucks just beat someone down without Giannis. If the bar is missing 2 stars at once? That's a tall task for anyone. But I'm more so concerned with how they look HEALTHY then when they look like without KP and Luka which isn't all that often.

EricaLubarsky · 03-24-2021, 04:56 PM

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I think its just a matter of being disappointed with the season. There are times when the Mavs are fully healthy and don't look as good as the Sixers do without Embid. I have no idea why this is. I want to blame coaching but I don't consider Rivers to be that much of a upgrade over Carlisle if at all. Maybe its a matter of talent or lack thereof.

And the above is not entirely true. Those teams can miss one of their best players.....I saw the Bucks just beat someone down without Giannis. If the bar is missing 2 stars at once? That's a tall task for anyone. But I'm more so concerned with how they look HEALTHY then when they look like without KP and Luka which isn't all that often.

1) Of course we are disappointing compared to the 76ers. They have a better roster and the 1st seed. If the Mavs falling short of the 1 seed in the East (with or without Embiid) is the difference between satisfaction and disappointment, you will be disappointed. They have a better roster, but also:

2) The Mavs HAVE beaten players without KP or Doncic. We've won 7 games without KP. We're 1-0 when we are only missing Luka (although 0-2 when missing both). You may not remember those games or think about them, but the Mavs have beaten people without KP/Doncic. Bucks have won two games without Giannis. That doesn't mean much. 76ers have gone 7-6 without Embiid despite being the 1 seed in the East. Mavs have kept up in their games without major players (and have missed their starters/important reserves far more often)

3) The Mavs are good. 7-3 over the last ten. 3rd best team in the league in net rating over the last month. If you want to be disappointed in their healthy play? Well, I guess you are just disappointed in the Mavs. I honestly don't know what to say.

FreshJive · 03-24-2021, 05:01 PM

On Feb 1 when Maxi returned from Covid, it was the first time all season that the Mavs had their full team available with Porzingis. Since then they have gone 14-7. They’ve looked fine when healthy.

Dallas41 · 03-24-2021, 07:22 PM

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Honestly I think that says a lot more about Philly than it does about the Mavs. You take any team around the league and take out their two best players, and pretty much everyone except Sixers and the Nets are going to suck. Look at the Lakers.

Atlanta has a nice win streak going. Good for them. Why should I care? How does this an indictment of the Mavs? With the exception of the OKC game where Luka and KP both sat out (a decision I didn't agree with either, but it is what it is) just about every game the Mavs have lost in the last two months has come against an arguably better team. You think because we went 2-2 against the Clippers and the Blazers that means the Mavs aren't "focused" like the Hawks. The Clippers are unequivocally better than the Mavericks, and the Blazers are arguably better too. 2-2 is a success.

When I say they are inconsistent I mean they don't play well enough to sustain a long winning streak like Atlanta (8 games) because the Mavs have flaws in so many ways.

Tonight game vs Minnesota is a early example

You have two days off and yet you show up looking like this early in the game.

They very well could come back and win but come on how do justify showing up like this

FreshJive · 03-24-2021, 08:04 PM

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When I say they are inconsistent I mean they don't play well enough to sustain a long winning streak like Atlanta (8 games) because the Mavs have flaws in so many ways.

Tonight game vs Minnesota is a early example

You have two days off and yet you show up looking like this early in the game.

They very well could come back and win but come on how do justify showing up like this

14-7. Win streaks are trivia. Only one of those 7 losses was bad.

Thespiralgoeson · 03-24-2021, 10:56 PM

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When I say they are inconsistent I mean they don't play well enough to sustain a long winning streak like Atlanta (8 games) because the Mavs have flaws in so many ways.

Tonight game vs Minnesota is a early example

You have two days off and yet you show up looking like this early in the game.

They very well could come back and win but come on how do justify showing up like this

*checks the score* We won by 20.

Some Guy · 03-25-2021, 02:25 AM

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When I say they are inconsistent I mean they don't play well enough to sustain a long winning streak like Atlanta (8 games) because the Mavs have flaws in so many ways.

Tonight game vs Minnesota is a early example

You have two days off and yet you show up looking like this early in the game.

They very well could come back and win but come on how do justify showing up like this

*checks the score* We won by 20.

And Atlanta lost to Sacramento.

(Has anyone looked at the teams Atlanta played during that 8 game win streak? Has Dallas had a stretch of opponents even remotely like that?)

EricaLubarsky · 03-23-2021, 11:39 PM

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Dtownsfinest · 03-24-2021, 04:42 PM

How are all these guys potentially being bought out and they are all just going to go to the Lakers or Nets? The Mavs can't get even ONE of them?

FreshJive · 03-24-2021, 08:12 PM

Guess who also doesn’t have 8 game winning streaks? Suns, Lakers, Clippers, Nuggets, etc.

Dallas41 · 03-24-2021, 08:29 PM

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Guess who also doesn’t have 8 game winning streaks? Suns, Lakers, Clippers, Nuggets, etc.

Those teams have better records and in the case of Phoenix they have been consistent all year.

Considering where they've come from just two years ago that's amazing and a great job by their front office getting them this high in such a short amount of time by getting the right pieces around Booker and Ayton without taking too many years....

That team won just 19 games two years and they are already 2nd in the west this year.....

They are a playoff threat already with that roster and they are consistent especially on defense.

FreshJive · 03-24-2021, 08:57 PM

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Those teams have better records and in the case of Phoenix they have been consistent all year.

Considering where they've come from just two years ago that's amazing and a great job by their front office getting them this high in such a short amount of time by getting the right pieces around Booker and Ayton without taking too many years....

That team won just 19 games two years and they are already 2nd in the west this year.....

They are a playoff threat already with that roster and they are consistent especially on defense.

Phoenix passed on Luka.

Dallas41 · 03-24-2021, 09:22 PM

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Phoenix passed on Luka.

Good one

You got me there

FreshJive · 03-24-2021, 10:13 PM

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Good one

You got me there

Chris Paul was absolutely a great move by them, though. Got to give Jones credit for that one.

Scoobay · 03-24-2021, 09:30 PM

wow i just looked at the standings and didn't realize how atrociously bad the East is. i mean i had the general idea but really? only philly, milwaukee, and brooklyn would even be in the top 8 in the west - everyone else wouldn't make the playoffs as of now.

twistaeffect2004 · 03-25-2021, 10:32 AM

Fournier to the Celtics for 2 second round picks

Dtownsfinest · 03-25-2021, 10:34 AM

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Fournier to the Celtics for 2 second round picks

Damn the Magic are SELLING and haven't traded Gordon yet.....wow. That team is a Gordon away from having Terrence Ross be their best player. Sheesh.....I would've been all in on Fournier for 2 2nd round picks.

Dallas41 · 03-25-2021, 10:37 AM

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Damn the Magic are SELLING and haven't traded Gordon yet.....wow. That team is a Gordon away from having Terrence Ross be their best player. Sheesh.....I would've been all in on Fournier for 2 2nd round picks.

Yeah that is the stuff that makes me mad

He got traded for peanuts and it was reported for a week that they only wanted 2nd round picks

Dtownsfinest · 03-25-2021, 12:02 PM

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Yeah that is the stuff that makes me mad

He got traded for peanuts and it was reported for a week that they only wanted 2nd round picks

Just giving him away......I don't understand it.....

BPo001 · 03-25-2021, 12:15 PM

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Just giving him away......I don't understand it.....

Who says we didn’t make the same offer? As already stated Boston has a worse record, so their picks are higher. We can get upset that we didn’t get him, but we don’t know that the Mavs didn’t make the same offer.

twistaeffect2004 · 03-25-2021, 10:38 AM

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Damn the Magic are SELLING and haven't traded Gordon yet.....wow. That team is a Gordon away from having Terrence Ross be their best player. Sheesh.....I would've been all in on Fournier for 2 2nd round picks.

Me too. He would’ve really provided an outside scoring punch.

Dallas41 · 03-25-2021, 10:44 AM

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Me too. He would’ve really provided an outside scoring punch.

He's also a pretty good ball handler and you can go to him late in games if needed.

Skywalker · 03-25-2021, 11:07 AM

We like our boys in blue.

twistaeffect2004 · 03-25-2021, 11:23 AM

Denver close to acquiring Gordon per Shams.

Big time move for them if it happens

Dallas41 · 03-25-2021, 11:28 AM

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Denver close to acquiring Gordon per Shams.

Big time move for them if it happens

wow are you serious

That's the one guy that I didn't want them to get.

twistaeffect2004 · 03-25-2021, 11:37 AM

Trades official.

Huge trade for Denver.

Dallas41 · 03-25-2021, 11:41 AM

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Trades official.

Huge trade for Denver.

They have done a great job replacing Plumlee and Grant from last years roster with McGee and Gordon.

I have them as 2nd in the west by seasons end.

Dtownsfinest · 03-25-2021, 12:04 PM

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They have done a great job replacing Plumlee and Grant from last years roster with McGee and Gordon.

I have them as 2nd in the west by seasons end.

Pistons are the losers there.....how do you let Woods go just to sign those two? Granted, Grant has played solid as well as Plumlee but man....Woods looks like the real deal.

Thespiralgoeson · 03-25-2021, 11:56 AM

Waiting for the inevitable bitching about how we didn't get Aaron Gordon for JJ's expiring contract and a 2nd round pick.

Fournier to the Celts for two second rounders is frustrating, but keep in mind that we have a better record than them, so their picks are higher than our picks.

Dtownsfinest · 03-25-2021, 12:02 PM

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Waiting for the inevitable bitching about how we didn't get Aaron Gordon for JJ's expiring contract and a 2nd round pick.

Fournier to the Celts for two second rounders is frustrating, but keep in mind that we have a better record than them, so their picks are higher than our picks.

You guys complain about fans bitching I don't know what is worse bitching about he bitching or expecting fans to all have the same opinion on the matters at hand....

Thespiralgoeson · 03-25-2021, 12:11 PM

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You guys complain about fans bitching I don't know what is worse bitching about he bitching or expecting fans to all have the same opinion on the matters at hand....

ooh, sick burn bro.

For the record, I don't expect everyone to have the same opinion as me. I just find it hilarious how some fans seem to think the Mavs' assets are magically worth more than other teams' objectively more valuable assets.

Bryan_Wilson · 03-25-2021, 12:17 PM

IMO for what is left and what we have asset wise the Mavs best bet at being better is getting better play from guys we have like Jrich. The 2 losses against Clippers and Blazers were the 2 worst games of the month from Jrich where he scored a combined 10 points. Outside of those games he's been a lot better in March than he was earlier in the year so there's that.

Dallas41 · 03-25-2021, 12:19 PM

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ooh, sick burn bro.

For the record, I don't expect everyone to have the same opinion as me. I just find it hilarious how some fans seem to think the Mavs' assets are magically worth more than other teams' objectively more valuable assets.

so your saying guys like Brunson, THJ and Richardson have no value around the league?

Thespiralgoeson · 03-25-2021, 12:21 PM

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so your saying guys like Brunson, THJ and Richardson have no value around the league?

Would you have traded Brunson, TJH, and Richardson for Fournier?

Dtownsfinest · 03-25-2021, 01:15 PM

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ooh, sick burn bro.

For the record, I don't expect everyone to have the same opinion as me. I just find it hilarious how some fans seem to think the Mavs' assets are magically worth more than other teams' objectively more valuable assets.

Naw it wasn't a burn I was just commenting on what I'm witnessing. I get it. It sucks to read negativity about the Mavs especially when its the same ol' same ol'....but damn it feels like this organization is running the same ol' same ol'. I keep giving them the excuses that they didn't have the trade bait to get certain guys but I'm not sure if its just an excuse or actual truth. I think they really like how their team is constructed and basically want to trade a Datsun for a Range Rover.

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Unfortunately that is pretty much the long and short of it. You need to be in the lottery for like 3-4 years to build a contender. The KP trade was supposed to be the thing that catapulted us a head and make us a real contender. But unfortunately KP just isn't as good as we thought he was.

I agree. And for the record, I'd still do that trade for KP......I'm not entirely sure if they would've drafted a guy of his caliber with those draft picks anyway....but when teams are selling its tough to try and buy without recent 1st round picks available.