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The Ghost of Championship · 09-25-2012, 06:22 PM

There's chatter everywhere saying we should picking up Al Jefferson in the off season to save this team & Dirk one more championship. Risking letting him become a free agent makes as much sense as seeing D-Will stay in Brooklyn. We really can't afford to miss on a guy who is VERY obtainable right now, and maybe the final piece to contend this year!

What do you say Brand, Marion, Jae Crowder, & Collison for Al Jefferson?

Why for Utah: Who cares if we screw them over.
Why for Us: Brand is expiring and not too useful. So is Collison and we all know he is not our Jason Kidd of the future. Jefferson is the elite post player in the NBA, 8th in PER & a top ten overall player. Only 27. Improved greatly last year showing he was still getting better after knee surgery. He's the center of the future.

markus1234 · 09-25-2012, 06:28 PM

BGMaverick9 · 09-25-2012, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Ghost of Championship

There's chatter everywhere saying we should picking up Al Jefferson in the off season to save this team & Dirk one more championship. Risking letting him become a free agent makes as much sense as seeing D-Will stay in Brooklyn. We really can't afford to miss on a guy who is VERY obtainable right now, and maybe the final piece to contend this year!

What do you say Brand, Marion, Jae Crowder, & Collison for Al Jefferson?

Why for Utah: Who cares if we screw them over.
Why for Us: Brand is expiring and not too useful. So is Collison and we all know he is not our Jason Kidd of the future. Jefferson is the elite post player in the NBA, 8th in PER & a top ten overall player. Only 27. Improved greatly last year showing he was still getting better after knee surgery. He's the center of the future.

Interesting assessment.
Brand can't be traded.

b_o_r · 09-25-2012, 06:55 PM

Could we wait until after preseason before making up trade rumors.

The Ghost of Championship · 09-25-2012, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Interesting assessment.
Brand can't be traded.

What backup offers do you have ready so we don't lose him this summer? (you're not tricking me into trading Dirk for him)

BGMaverick9 · 09-25-2012, 07:09 PM

I'm confused...are you asking about losing Brand in the summer, the guy you said was not too useful?

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-25-2012, 07:14 PM

Where is this chatter saying that we need to pick up Al Jefferson?

The Ghost of Championship · 09-25-2012, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I'm confused...are you asking about losing Brand in the summer, the guy you said was not too useful?

Losing out on the Al Jefferson Sweepstakes this summer as said before. No worries though bro.

& you already know I like the Brand pickup A LOT since we've discussed it enough and agreed he won't be around forever.

haCORErdMav · 10-08-2012, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by The Ghost of Championship

Losing out on the Al Jefferson Sweepstakes this summer as said before. No worries though bro.

& you already know I like the Brand pickup A LOT since we've discussed it enough and agreed he won't be around forever.

The FO wouldn't be able to bear something like this.

5/10

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Mo Williams is ranked way higher than Collison in nearly every fantasy draft table.

I've said this many times before--I went to college with Collison and really like him as a person but I guarantee he will disappoint you heading up the pg spot. I've watched more Collison than just about anyone besides his coaches and teammates. He's undersized and can't shoot a three to save his life.

Sorry I can't be a Pollyanna and am hurting feelings by not being a homer fan.

You must be talking about some other Collison because the one who plays for the Mavs attended The University of California, Los Angeles.

You clearly did not take full advantage of your education, or should have taken more acting classes.

0/10

LonghornDub · 09-25-2012, 07:15 PM

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There's chatter everywhere

....where?

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Why for Utah: Who cares if we screw them over.

Compelling. You've convinced me (and Utah, undoubtedly).

chumdawg · 09-25-2012, 07:54 PM

Cool story. Tell it again.

spreedom · 09-25-2012, 08:03 PM

Glad I still have you on my Ignore List. This is terrible.

The Ghost of Championship · 09-25-2012, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Compelling. You've convinced me (and Utah, undoubtedly).

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Glad I still have you on my Ignore List. This is terrible.

Well how much more do you two think we have to give Utah? Would an uprotected first next summer and taking Roger Bells small contract do it?

Who cares about a 25-30 pick anyway. Dirk + Jefferson; Kaman/Brand bench = Championship! Who could stand next to that timber? I'm getting wet on the possibilities of starting Kaman, Jefferson, & Dirk at small forward his true spot anyway. Nobody could rebound on us.

BGMaverick9 · 09-25-2012, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Ghost of Championship

Well how much more do you two think we have to give Utah? Would an uprotected first next summer and taking Roger Bells small contract do it?

Who cares about a 25-30 pick anyway. Dirk + Jefferson; Kaman/Brand bench = Championship! Who could stand next to that timber? I'm getting wet on the possibilities of starting Kaman, Jefferson, & Dirk at small forward his true spot anyway. Nobody could rebound on us.

If you're offering anything to Utah for Roger Bell, they'll take it. I think you mean Raja Bell. Who cares about a 25-30th pick? By that logic, Utah won't and they'll pass on the idea of the pick.

With Kaman, Jefferson and Dirk, they'll sure as hell have a hard time stopping anyone on defense.

The Ghost of Championship · 09-25-2012, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

If you're offering anything to Utah for Roger Bell, they'll take it. I think you mean Raja Bell. Who cares about a 25-30th pick? By that logic, Utah won't and they'll pass on the idea of the pick.

With Kaman, Jefferson and Dirk, they'll sure as hell have a hard time stopping anyone on defense.

Damn Apple autocorrect...

I might be mistaking you for the person who used to write for hoopsworld. That poster was incredibly insightful into all things NBA. Is that you?

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Not to lend any weight to this thread, but anybody know how Brand's cap hold for next season will be figured? 190% of 2.1 million? Or does his amnesty status throw some monkeys at the wrench?

I've read no bird rights but ability to match previous contract plus 20%. I assume that would be the cap hold but can't offer any more than that. Hope it helps your googling. Still waiting on BGMav for a link.

grndmstr_c · 09-25-2012, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Ghost of Championship

I've read no bird rights but ability to match previous contract plus 20%. I assume that would be the cap hold but can't offer any more than that. Hope it helps your googling. Still waiting on BGMav for a link.

You've read wrong. Or perhaps just not recently enough. Bird rights are transferred through amnesty claims. That was clarified over the summer.

The Ghost of Championship · 09-26-2012, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

If you're offering anything to Utah for Roger Bell, they'll take it. I think you mean Raja Bell. Who cares about a 25-30th pick? By that logic, Utah won't and they'll pass on the idea of the pick.

Why do you care so much about Utah? Everyone knows they have to get rid of Jefferson or Millsap. We have leverage and it's time to use it back on them like they did when they stole Mo Williams from us and we got stuck with Darren fuggin Collison instead.

DevinHarriswillstart · 09-26-2012, 10:04 AM

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Why do you care so much about Utah? Everyone knows they have to get rid of Jefferson or Millsap. We have leverage and it's time to use it back on them like they did when they stole Mo Williams from us and we got stuck with Darren fuggin Collison instead.

Stole Mo Williams from us? Are you referencing the Odom trade? When was Williams ever supposed to come to Dallas in that scenario? Don't tell other posters they are lying without links when you don't provide them yourself.

And I'd rather have Collison. Better defender, passer, and rebounder.

BGMaverick9 · 09-25-2012, 08:24 PM

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... Brand is expiring and not too useful. ...

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...& you already know I like the Brand pickup A LOT since we've discussed it enough and agreed he won't be around forever.

Gotcha.

By the way, I don't think it's a given he's gone after the year.

spreedom · 09-25-2012, 08:40 PM

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Gotcha.

By the way, I don't think it's a given he's gone after the year.

Agreed... I think it's very possible that we throw him a 2-3 year deal at around $5M per. He's a stud on defense and very dependable (albeit slowing down) on offense, so I'd be very much in favor of bringing him back, assuming that this year goes well for him.

grndmstr_c · 09-25-2012, 09:25 PM

Not to lend any weight to this thread, but anybody know how Brand's cap hold for next season will be figured? 190% of 2.1 million? Or does his amnesty status throw some monkeys at the wrench?

jthig32 · 09-26-2012, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Not to lend any weight to this thread, but anybody know how Brand's cap hold for next season will be figured? 190% of 2.1 million? Or does his amnesty status throw some monkeys at the wrench?

ShamSports has his cap hold for next summer at 3.9Mil, so Deeks seems to be saying that it will be based on the 2.1Mil. And Deeks is, in my opinion, THE authority on contract details and salary info.

The Ghost of Championship · 09-26-2012, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

ShamSports has his cap hold for next summer at 3.9Mil, so Deeks seems to be saying that it will be based on the 2.1Mil. And Deeks is, in my opinion, THE authority on contract details and salary info.

See. No bird rights. I think grandmaster was lying to get attention. That's why there was no link originally. Nothing.

Brand will not kill our ability to sign big names in free agency. Nice try making us all feel the despair of not being able to add to a mediocre roster this summer.

jthig32 · 09-26-2012, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Ghost of Championship

See. No bird rights. I think grandmaster was lying to get attention. That's why there was no link originally. Nothing.

Brand will not kill our ability to sign big names in free agency. Nice try making us all feel the despair of not being able to add to a mediocre roster this summer.

I don't really know why I'm responding to you, but here:

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An amnestied player's Bird clock does not reset when he is awarded to the team with the winning bid.

The Ghost of Championship · 09-26-2012, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

ShamSports has his cap hold for next summer at 3.9Mil, so Deeks seems to be saying that it will be based on the 2.1Mil. And Deeks is, in my opinion, THE authority on contract details and salary info.

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I don't really know why I'm responding to you, but here:

You have me confused as these are contradicting sources. Which one are you going with? Under Coon, if they can re-sign with Bird Rights then it's 150% of his previous salary. However, in Brand's case, he's already at the 30% max so the cap hold would not be 150% and defer to the 7.5% maximum raise. Under Shamsports, it's 3.9 million which is allegedly based on Coons under the league average = 190% cap hold rule.

Since you guys already unanimously believe I'm royally screwing Utah over with this trade, Brand's cap hold being $19.5 million makes it even worse for Utah. His contract also becomes toxic this summer as we either have to waive rights or hurry up & resign him under his terms to get rid of the cap hold.

MavsFTR · 09-25-2012, 10:00 PM

What the frack is this? :S

adonis · 09-25-2012, 10:29 PM

wtf

chatter doesn't mean it'll happen, is realgm your source lol

Kante · 09-26-2012, 07:04 AM

Five star thread, will recommend to friends and family!

BTW: This is one of the worst posters i ever witnessed here...

nowhereman · 09-26-2012, 08:40 AM

so tempted... to... respond... substantively... must.. not feed.. troll...

WurzburgBorn · 09-26-2012, 04:02 PM

The Mavs were never in the Jefferson race in the first place.

LonghornDub · 09-26-2012, 10:35 PM

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The Mavs were never in the Jefferson race in the first place.

Win.

Rick41 · 09-26-2012, 07:16 PM

This thread is comical.

Ahhh, we're almost back boys!

jamaljasonandjimmy · 09-27-2012, 05:27 AM

i just want to hibernate untill mavs 1st game

EricaLubarsky · 09-27-2012, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by The Ghost of Championship

There's chatter everywhere saying we should picking up Al Jefferson in the off season to save this team & Dirk one more championship. Risking letting him become a free agent makes as much sense as seeing D-Will stay in Brooklyn. We really can't afford to miss on a guy who is VERY obtainable right now, and maybe the final piece to contend this year!

What do you say Brand, Marion, Jae Crowder, & Collison for Al Jefferson?

Why for Utah: Who cares if we screw them over.
Why for Us: Brand is expiring and not too useful. So is Collison and we all know he is not our Jason Kidd of the future. Jefferson is the elite post player in the NBA, 8th in PER & a top ten overall player. Only 27. Improved greatly last year showing he was still getting better after knee surgery. He's the center of the future.

What do I think?

We should have at least one practice together with guys before we trade away our starting PG (and only PG), a possible Ron Artest-type, and two solid, top 30 role players in Marion and Brand.

P.S. Who would play point with Collison gone? Roddy? Mayo? DoJo? Would we look for some undrafted gem that hasn't even made another team's practice squad?

The Ghost of Championship · 09-27-2012, 11:04 AM

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P.S. Who would play point with Collison gone? Roddy? Mayo? DoJo? Would we look for some undrafted gem that hasn't even made another team's practice squad?

Give Toronto a TPE for Calderon. Upgrade dramatically over Collison for free, basically.

Jose Calderon plays like Jason Kidd, shooting 3's & passing. Perfect fit.

MavsFTR · 09-27-2012, 10:09 AM

Not surprised you forgot about him, but in that scenario it would be Delonte West.

EricaLubarsky · 09-27-2012, 10:14 AM

Ah West. The worst PG option we had last year. It could be better with better spacing, but the guy cannot run an offense at all.

EricaLubarsky · 09-27-2012, 11:40 AM

Must be nice living in the world of basketball fantasy.

Which TPE do we have that would net us 10.5mill of Calderon's salary? If you think we got one that big for Odom, I think you should check your numbers.

And what makes you believe that we would be better with only Dirk/Kaman/Calderon with another 4/5 tweener backing them up instead of having depth at every position?

Just curious if you have answers to either.

markus1234 · 09-27-2012, 12:01 PM

Calderon and Jefferson are both horrible defenders. Close this thread plz. Reading it makes people imbecile.

EricaLubarsky · 09-27-2012, 01:59 PM

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Calderon and Jefferson are both horrible defenders. Close this thread plz. Reading it makes people imbecile.

I'd vote that it just gets moved to the appropriate forum for trades, but I agree. Individual PER is a terrible evaluation of a player. It rewards stat-stuffing and doesn't speak to defense in the slightest. For an average defender, it paints an incomplete picture. For terrible defenders like Calderon and Jefferson, it's downright deceptive.