2021-2022 Preseason and camp thread - Page 92 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

SMC0007 · 08-12-2021, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

What contradictions? If you’re talking about the Android thing, you can go back through Thon Makers tweets during that year and he was using an android.

I don't think he's referring strictly to the Android/IPhone part. Looks like he's talking about all the stories and negativity and how there's no shortage of players around the league that really like him.

Bryan_Wilson · 08-13-2021, 03:27 AM

I'm sure plenty of ppl like Kidd but that doesn't change what he did in Brooklyn with the failed FO takeover or what he did with Sanders or any of the other stories. And ppl aren't exactly being consistent here. When the story about RC with Salah broke I don't recall anyone in particular defending RC or saying he gets the benefit of the doubt. But now JKidd gets some sort of benefit of the doubt? Because he's new? The Larry Sanders thing is bad to me there is no way around that just like the Salah thing was bad. Only in Kidd's case Sanders walked away from basketball at a very early age. He had off the court issues but having a coach use u as a punching bag clearly didn't aid him.

turin · 08-13-2021, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

I'm sure plenty of ppl like Kidd but that doesn't change what he did in Brooklyn with the failed FO takeover or what he did with Sanders or any of the other stories. And ppl aren't exactly being consistent here. When the story about RC with Salah broke I don't recall anyone in particular defending RC or saying he gets the benefit of the doubt. But now JKidd gets some sort of benefit of the doubt? Because he's new? The Larry Sanders thing is bad to me there is no way around that just like the Salah thing was bad. Only in Kidd's case Sanders walked away from basketball at a very early age. He had off the court issues but having a coach use u as a punching bag clearly didn't aid him.

Agree with you. I'm also not a fan of people excusing detestable behavior. He's only getting the benefit of the doubt because of "hope." If Kidd doesn't navigate things well, and treat people better, then he's going to get a very short leash from fans imo. RC lasted so long because of the title. IMO, fans don't feel like they owe Kidd nearly that much, even if he was the PG of the title team.

Kidd Karma · 08-13-2021, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

I'm sure plenty of ppl like Kidd but that doesn't change what he did in Brooklyn with the failed FO takeover or what he did with Sanders or any of the other stories. And ppl aren't exactly being consistent here. When the story about RC with Salah broke I don't recall anyone in particular defending RC or saying he gets the benefit of the doubt. But now JKidd gets some sort of benefit of the doubt? Because he's new? The Larry Sanders thing is bad to me there is no way around that just like the Salah thing was bad. Only in Kidd's case Sanders walked away from basketball at a very early age. He had off the court issues but having a coach use u as a punching bag clearly didn't aid him.

Agreed, he should have taken Sanders aside and talked to him man to man. I think in his younger days he responded to the coaches that were asses....Danny Ainge, Scott Skiles, Byron Scott? Doesn't work that way any more, need to have a lot of man to man talks, develop the body as well as the mind.

saclare · 08-13-2021, 01:44 PM

The benefit of the doubt, as it's being put, is more to the point that he's more likely to have proven that he's changed his ways prior to being hired. I'm sure some of the first questions he was asked in the interview process was why it didn't work out previously and what he's learned since. We can all surmise and come to our conclusions based on rumors and quotes and stuff that comes out, but as someone pointed out, you won't find a shortage of plenty of players who played with, played for, or otherwise that don't view Kidd as good hire and dude.

The benefit of the doubt comes with a new opportunity. If he fails again in the same respects, then he's gone from coaching ranks forever and we had a bad hire. I tend to side with those people whose job it is to find out these things and don't go blindly hiring and firing people. Take a breathe, give it a chance. I'm eager to see what he can do here.

saclare · 08-13-2021, 01:44 PM

The benefit of the doubt, as it's being put, is more to the point that he's more likely to have proven that he's changed his ways prior to being hired. I'm sure some of the first questions he was asked in the interview process was why it didn't work out previously and what he's learned since. We can all surmise and come to our conclusions based on rumors and quotes and stuff that comes out, but as someone pointed out, you won't find a shortage of plenty of players who played with, played for, or otherwise that don't view Kidd as good hire and dude.

The benefit of the doubt comes with a new opportunity. If he fails again in the same respects, then he's gone from coaching ranks forever and we had a bad hire. I tend to side with those people whose job it is to find out these things and don't go blindly hiring and firing people. Take a breathe, give it a chance. I'm eager to see what he can do here.

SMC0007 · 08-13-2021, 01:49 PM

I don't recall having anything to say about the Salah situation. I barely remember it. Wasn't a huge fan of him. He wasn't good or productive enough to complain to refs and get techs like Luka.

I don't care about what Kidd did 20 years ago, or what he did at NJ or Mil. If he sucks here or acts like an asshole, there will be no shortage of folks who will call it out.

I have no say in the hiring and choose to only concern myself with what happens here.

SMC0007 · 08-13-2021, 09:11 PM

This is good.

The Dallas Mavericks have signed Eugene Omoruyi to a two-way contract.

Omoruyi is currently playing with the Mavericks’ summer league team and is averaging a team-high 16.0 points and 7.0 rebounds through two contests. https://t.co/wqiqKH5GUL

SMC0007 · 08-13-2021, 09:11 PM

This is good.

The Dallas Mavericks have signed Eugene Omoruyi to a two-way contract.

Omoruyi is currently playing with the Mavericks’ summer league team and is averaging a team-high 16.0 points and 7.0 rebounds through two contests. https://t.co/wqiqKH5GUL

Melonhead · 08-13-2021, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

This is good.

The Dallas Mavericks have signed Eugene Omoruyi to a two-way contract.

Omoruyi is currently playing with the Mavericks’ summer league team and is averaging a team-high 16.0 points and 7.0 rebounds through two contests. https://t.co/wqiqKH5GUL

Wasn’t a poster calling for him to be drafted?

EricaLubarsky · 08-13-2021, 11:42 PM

I wanted EJ Onu.

A 6-6 PF doesn’t do much for me, but he’s scrapping with the best of them in SL so let him scrap in GLeague too

EricaLubarsky · 08-13-2021, 11:44 PM

I wanted EJ Onu.

A 6-6 PF doesn’t do much for me, but he’s scrapping with the best of them in SL so let him scrap in GLeague too

tap2390 · 08-14-2021, 10:54 AM

I wanted Onu too based on measurables but man the guy just isn't very good. Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.

SMC0007 · 08-14-2021, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Wasn’t a poster calling for him to be drafted?

I thought I saw something about him here, maybe it was Twitter. Hard to navigate the trash on Twitter though.

He has been impressive. He's a good defender and has good post moves. Just one of those guys who isn't really flashy but gets the job done. Crafty and has a nose for the ball. Looking forward to seeing him again today.

Robert Franks is another guy who is impressive. I didn't know what to expect with him and was looking at EJ Onu more but he's shown WAY more than Onu. He knocked down big 3s and read the PnR really well. Never hesitated to take advantage of opportunities the defense gave and even set up some nice plays.

Keep an eye out for them today.

BPo001 · 08-14-2021, 05:09 PM

Brad Townsend: . @Jose Juan Barea is sitting with Nico Harrison and Michael Finley as Mavs prepare to face Denver. I, kinda-sorta-jokingly asked if this was a job interview. No answer, just smiles. – via Twitter townbrad

BPo001 · 08-14-2021, 05:09 PM

Brad Townsend: . @Jose Juan Barea is sitting with Nico Harrison and Michael Finley as Mavs prepare to face Denver. I, kinda-sorta-jokingly asked if this was a job interview. No answer, just smiles. – via Twitter townbrad

Murphy3 · 08-14-2021, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by saclare

The benefit of the doubt, as it's being put, is more to the point that he's more likely to have proven that he's changed his ways prior to being hired. I'm sure some of the first questions he was asked in the interview process was why it didn't work out previously and what he's learned since. We can all surmise and come to our conclusions based on rumors and quotes and stuff that comes out, but as someone pointed out, you won't find a shortage of plenty of players who played with, played for, or otherwise that don't view Kidd as good hire and dude.

The benefit of the doubt comes with a new opportunity. If he fails again in the same respects, then he's gone from coaching ranks forever and we had a bad hire. I tend to side with those people whose job it is to find out these things and don't go blindly hiring and firing people. Take a breathe, give it a chance. I'm eager to see what he can do here.

Honestly, I don’t really give the Mavs much benefit of the doubt at this point… especially Cuban.

G-Man · 08-15-2021, 11:31 AM

While the excepts from this book look pretty damaging, the timing of the release could not be better for the Mavs, since Kidd is already the coach. He comes in knowing he is under a microscope, with the entire organization and community aware of his militaristic tendencies. Luka probably comes in with his guard up, and Kidd knows that if Luka ain't happy, Kidd's time here will be short. No way Kidd wins in a battle with the future face of the NBA.

Kidd is under maximum pressure to show that he has changed and has learned some things. That is a good place for him to start.

rimrocker · 08-15-2021, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by G-Man

While the excepts from this book look pretty damaging, the timing of the release could not be better for the Mavs, since Kidd is already the coach. He comes in knowing he is under a microscope, with the entire organization and community aware of his militaristic tendencies. Luka probably comes in with his guard up, and Kidd knows that if Luka ain't happy, Kidd's time here will be short. No way Kidd wins in a battle with the future face of the NBA.

Kidd is under maximum pressure to show that he has changed and has learned some things. That is a good place for him to start.

Don’t bet on it....leopards don’t change their spots.

Dtownsfinest · 08-15-2021, 07:25 PM

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Don’t bet on it....leopards don’t change their spots.

Right. ESPECIALLY if he thinks he's tied in. He's not a outsider. He's friends with Cuban and everyone in the front office.

That being said, its very possible he's learned from his past mistakes. Could've humbled himself. That's part of a coaches journey. Before Bill Bellichek became a Super Bowl winning champion he did coach the Cleveland Browns. Probably learned from his mistakes there and that carried over to the Patriots.

If there's people in the Lakers camp that vouch for similar stories than I'd probably be more concerned.

BPo001 · 08-15-2021, 07:43 PM

Adrian Wojnarowski: The Los Angeles Clippers are trading Patrick Beverley, Rajon Rondo and Daniel Oturu to the Memphis Grizzlies for guard Eric Bledsoe, sources tell ESPN.

NeedlesKane · 08-15-2021, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

Adrian Wojnarowski: The Los Angeles Clippers are trading Patrick Beverley, Rajon Rondo and Daniel Oturu to the Memphis Grizzlies for guard Eric Bledsoe, sources tell ESPN.

Interesting trade. Bledsoe is definitely the best player as of right now included in the trade, but Clippers are giving up some depth as well as some defense. I guess defense no longer exists in today's NBA though.

I see reports on how it saves the Clippers $30 million.

Based off Hoopshype the Clippers' projected team salary was $174,130,837. After the trade it is now $168,166,869. The salary cap is $112.414 million, and the tax level is $136.606 million. The Clippers are paying luxury taxes above the tax level as follows:

$1.50 per $1 up to $4,999,999
$1.75 per $1 up to $9,999,999
$2.50 per $1 up to $14,999,999
$3.75 per $1 up to $19,999,999
$4.25 per $1 up to $24,999,999
$4.75 per $1 up to $29,999,999
$5.25 per $1 up to $34,999,999

Note: it's an extra $0.50 per each additional $5 million starting at $20 million over the tax level

So I read that the Clippers are saving $30 million. How much are they really saving based off the data on Hoopshype? They were $37,524,837 above the tax level. Now they are $31,560,869 above the tax level. They saved $18,055,433 at the tax level in which they'd pay $5.25 per $1. They also saved $14,517,819 at the tax level in which they'd pay $5.75 per $1. Lastly, they saved $5,963,968 in the players' salaries involved in the trade. That's a total savings of $38,537,219. However, they're still paying $100,694,568 in luxury tax. I hope their team is worth $268,861,437. At least they're not as crazy as Brooklyn, spending $320,764,007. I hope DeAndre Jordan is worth it. He's being paid $9,881,598. Their luxury? $53,942,481. So he's costing them $63,824,079. How do you justify that? Clearly, they think they're going to win championships with Durant, Harden, and Irving. Those 3 guys make more than the whole Mavericks roster.

BPo001 · 08-15-2021, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedlesKane

Interesting trade. Bledsoe is definitely the best player as of right now included in the trade, but Clippers are giving up some depth as well as some defense. I guess defense no longer exists in today's NBA though.

I see reports on how it saves the Clippers $30 million.

Based off Hoopshype the Clippers' projected team salary was $174,130,837. After the trade it is now $168,166,869. The salary cap is $112.414 million, and the tax level is $136.606 million. The Clippers are paying luxury taxes above the tax level as follows:

$1.50 per $1 up to $4,999,999
$1.75 per $1 up to $9,999,999
$2.50 per $1 up to $14,999,999
$3.75 per $1 up to $19,999,999
$4.25 per $1 up to $24,999,999
$4.75 per $1 up to $29,999,999
$5.25 per $1 up to $34,999,999

Note: it's an extra $0.50 per each additional $5 million starting at $20 million over the tax level

So I read that the Clippers are saving $30 million. How much are they really saving based off the data on Hoopshype? They were $37,524,837 above the tax level. Now they are $31,560,869 above the tax level. They saved $18,055,433 at the tax level in which they'd pay $5.25 per $1. They also saved $14,517,819 at the tax level in which they'd pay $5.75 per $1. Lastly, they saved $5,963,968 in the players' salaries involved in the trade. That's a total savings of $38,537,219. However, they're still paying $100,694,568 in luxury tax. I hope their team is worth $268,861,437. At least they're not as crazy as Brooklyn, spending $320,764,007.

Can’t blame them for making the move of it saves them that much. I can’t imagine Rondo sticking around long. I’d be surprised if he even gets his bags unpacked.

mac222b · 08-16-2021, 01:48 AM

What’s in it for Memphis? Surely it can’t be Oturo?

mac222b · 08-16-2021, 01:48 AM

What’s in it for Memphis? Surely it can’t be Oturo?

NeedlesKane · 08-16-2021, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

What’s in it for Memphis? Surely it can’t be Oturo?

Filling their cap space? Good question.

Zeus · 08-16-2021, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedlesKane

Interesting trade. Bledsoe is definitely the best player as of right now included in the trade, but Clippers are giving up some depth as well as some defense. I guess defense no longer exists in today's NBA though.

I see reports on how it saves the Clippers $30 million.

Based off Hoopshype the Clippers' projected team salary was $174,130,837. After the trade it is now $168,166,869. The salary cap is $112.414 million, and the tax level is $136.606 million. The Clippers are paying luxury taxes above the tax level as follows:

$1.50 per $1 up to $4,999,999
$1.75 per $1 up to $9,999,999
$2.50 per $1 up to $14,999,999
$3.75 per $1 up to $19,999,999
$4.25 per $1 up to $24,999,999
$4.75 per $1 up to $29,999,999
$5.25 per $1 up to $34,999,999

Note: it's an extra $0.50 per each additional $5 million starting at $20 million over the tax level

So I read that the Clippers are saving $30 million. How much are they really saving based off the data on Hoopshype? They were $37,524,837 above the tax level. Now they are $31,560,869 above the tax level. They saved $18,055,433 at the tax level in which they'd pay $5.25 per $1. They also saved $14,517,819 at the tax level in which they'd pay $5.75 per $1. Lastly, they saved $5,963,968 in the players' salaries involved in the trade. That's a total savings of $38,537,219. However, they're still paying $100,694,568 in luxury tax. I hope their team is worth $268,861,437. At least they're not as crazy as Brooklyn, spending $320,764,007. I hope DeAndre Jordan is worth it. He's being paid $9,881,598. Their luxury? $53,942,481. So he's costing them $63,824,079. How do you justify that? Clearly, they think they're going to win championships with Durant, Harden, and Irving. Those 3 guys make more than the whole Mavericks roster.

I think the Clippers are giving up the appearance of defense with Beverly. He isn't that good on D anymore and is limited on the type of player he can defend. Having said that, some veteran toughness like that might be a good add for the Grizz

JustJay · 08-16-2021, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

Adrian Wojnarowski: The Los Angeles Clippers are trading Patrick Beverley, Rajon Rondo and Daniel Oturu to the Memphis Grizzlies for guard Eric Bledsoe, sources tell ESPN.

Guess even 100 billion Steve Ballmer needs to save some money during these trying times.

It seems Memphis is moving those players again. We should be trying to acquire Pat Bev. Let him guard the opponents best offensive guard and it takes pressure off Luka, although he'd probably move on after next season unless something clicks. But they can have Powell.

JustJay · 08-16-2021, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeus

I think the Clippers are giving up the appearance of defense with Beverly. He isn't that good on D anymore and is limited on the type of player he can defend. Having said that, some veteran toughness like that might be a good add for the Grizz

He's still better on defense than our guards.

DevinHarriswillstart · 08-16-2021, 12:13 PM

https://twitter.com/ChiSportUpdates/...08586850557952

I'd trade Maxi in a second to get Markannen. We have to stop overvaluing players that come up short when it matters.

DevinHarriswillstart · 08-16-2021, 12:13 PM

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sefant77 · 08-16-2021, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

https://twitter.com/ChiSportUpdates/...08586850557952

I'd trade Maxi in a second to get Markannen. We have to stop overvaluing players that come up short when it matters.

Like overvaluing Markkanen and do a marginal move at best

DevinHarriswillstart · 08-16-2021, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Like overvaluing Markkanen and do a marginal move at best

Marginal improvements are better than none at all.

sefant77 · 08-16-2021, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Marginal improvements are better than none at all.

The Bulls are toast regarding getting value for Lauri. Getting someone like Kleber in this Situation would be a jackpot for them.

The Mavs dont need to offer Kleber in this situation

Melonhead · 08-16-2021, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

https://twitter.com/ChiSportUpdates/...08586850557952

I'd trade Maxi in a second to get Markannen. We have to stop overvaluing players that come up short when it matters.

In a heartbeat

G-Man · 08-16-2021, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

https://twitter.com/ChiSportUpdates/...08586850557952

I'd trade Maxi in a second to get Markannen. We have to stop overvaluing players that come up short when it matters.

I'm not sure the additional offense from Markannen would be worth the sacrifice in defense from losing Maxi.

I was very disappointed in how both Maxi and Brunson disappeared in game 7. It is possible that they don't suck, but just that they never had the experience of playing a game 7 against one of the NBA's defenses. It is possible that they will grow from the experience and be better next time. For a while last season, Maxi was hitting threes with the best of them, but he was never the same after Covid.

Now if we could get them to take Powell, that's a no brainer.

mac222b · 08-16-2021, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by G-Man

I'm not sure the additional offense from Markannen would be worth the sacrifice in defense from losing Maxi.

I was very disappointed in how both Maxi and Brunson disappeared in game 7. It is possible that they don't suck, but just that they never had the experience of playing a game 7 against one of the NBA's defenses. It is possible that they will grow from the experience and be better next time. For a while last season, Maxi was hitting threes with the best of them, but he was never the same after Covid.

Now if we could get them to take Powell, that's a no brainer.

I’m with you on this. I’d keep Maxi’s defense and versatility, chemistry. I’d deal Maxi for a clear upgrade as part of a package. Unless we have another deal lined up with KP not sure what Lauri gives us we don’t already have.

DevinHarriswillstart · 08-16-2021, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by G-Man

I'm not sure the additional offense from Markannen would be worth the sacrifice in defense from losing Maxi.

I was very disappointed in how both Maxi and Brunson disappeared in game 7. It is possible that they don't suck, but just that they never had the experience of playing a game 7 against one of the NBA's defenses. It is possible that they will grow from the experience and be better next time. For a while last season, Maxi was hitting threes with the best of them, but he was never the same after Covid.

Now if we could get them to take Powell, that's a no brainer.

Maxi was awful defensively in the playoffs, so I'm not sure that tag still holds. He is a 7 ppg player that goes games without scoring a single point.

But the bigger and most obvious thing is having another tradable asset. Or if Lauri works out and KP doesn't come back to form, then you are in a much better position to trade KP.

Melonhead · 08-16-2021, 08:05 PM

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I’m with you on this. I’d keep Maxi’s defense and versatility, chemistry. I’d deal Maxi for a clear upgrade as part of a package. Unless we have another deal lined up with KP not sure what Lauri gives us we don’t already have.

He's 30 and not that versatile as people claim. Defensively he was glaringly bad in the playoffs but it was understood he was injured. I just dont see what we're holding onto when Lauri presents a potential upgrade at 24 years old. And if he is, it softens the blow of ever trading KP.

turin · 08-16-2021, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

He's 30 and not that versatile as people claim. Defensively he was glaringly bad in the playoffs but it was understood he was injured. I just dont see what we're holding onto when Lauri presents a potential upgrade at 24 years old. And if he is, it softens the blow of ever trading KP.

Agree. This should be a no-brainer. A trade that gives us a younger, better asset.

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