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DevinHarriswillstart · 12-15-2022, 06:58 PM

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Last in the league baby. Sell the team.

SMC0007 · 12-15-2022, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

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Last in the league baby. Sell the team.

Sheesh. Don't show Luka! He has been ready to contend for about 3 years now...and we are floundering.

JustJay · 12-16-2022, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

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Last in the league baby. Sell the team.

He's waiting for that super team.

He'll definitely pay millions and millions in taxes when Giannis and Jokic walk through that door.

Zeus · 12-16-2022, 07:54 AM

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He's waiting for that super team.

He'll definitely pay millions and millions in taxes when Giannis and Jokic walk through that door.

This problem dates all the way back to late Dirk era when we were spinning our wheels and not adding any assets that would take up Mark's precious dry powder. If you recall he made the same F'n mistake in 2018/19 not using available FA money in order to position for a potential Giannis acquisition. In a do over under competent management we would have immediately begun shedding guys in 2018/19 and adding young assets. We find ourselves with no draft capital, no young core players outside of Luka and an aging supporting cast of overpaid replacement level players that have limited trade appeal. We are a half decade into the Luka era and the team building is going in reverse.

EricaLubarsky · 12-16-2022, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

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Last in the league baby. Sell the team.

I mean we're 8th this year, which is worse when you think how much we're paying for mediocrity. More importantly, it means we have no ways of getting high-caliber players via FA and the best we can hope for is MLE guys like McGee.

And prior years were supposed to be rebuild years but we lucked into Luka.

Not apologizing for the team in general, but it's deceptive to lump in the final years of Dirk into the discussion. All teams in rebuilds/fades see lower spending.

tap2390 · 12-18-2022, 11:29 AM

Assuming we have a wink wink agreement for an extension, I would strongly encourage the Mavericks to seek out a trade for Kyle Kuzma. Something like Powell or Wood and a future 1st.

SMC0007 · 12-18-2022, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

Assuming we have a wink wink agreement for an extension, I would strongly encourage the Mavericks to seek out a trade for Kyle Kuzma. Something like Powell or Wood and a future 1st.

Minus the 1st. Kuzma is not that good.

EricaLubarsky · 12-18-2022, 07:29 PM

Tomorrow:

Luka questionable
Powell questionable
Bertans questionable
THJ questionable
Kleber out
Green out

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-18-2022, 10:09 PM

And yet they sent Hardy back to the g league...

SMC0007 · 12-19-2022, 08:22 AM

Clown world.

tap2390 · 12-19-2022, 12:10 PM

Another thought:

Raptors trade Siakam to Mavs

Mavs trade Wood to third team for picks

Mavs send picks, Powell, Hardy, Green for Siakam

Raptors gain young assets and shed $30m in salary next year

saclare · 12-19-2022, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

Another thought:

Raptors trade Siakam to Mavs

Mavs trade Wood to third team for picks

Mavs send picks, Powell, Hardy, Green for Siakam

Raptors gain young assets and shed $30m in salary next year

Wouldn't hate it. I would push to find a way to make it happen while retaining Wood, though. I'm not sure one could get there salary wise without the inclusion.

saclare · 12-19-2022, 07:12 PM

https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/ma...injury-return/

I didn't know Green hurt his elbow in an arm lock with Grayson Allen...I didn't see the play. Should we grab our pitchforks or was it an unfortunate basketball play?

tap2390 · 12-20-2022, 09:38 AM

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https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/ma...injury-return/

I didn't know Green hurt his elbow in an arm lock with Grayson Allen...I didn't see the play. Should we grab our pitchforks or was it an unfortunate basketball play?

He deserves zero benefit of the doubt.

Zeus · 12-20-2022, 06:27 PM

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https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/ma...injury-return/

I didn't know Green hurt his elbow in an arm lock with Grayson Allen...I didn't see the play. Should we grab our pitchforks or was it an unfortunate basketball play?

Yes Grayson Allen is a piece of shit human. Full stop

Zeus · 12-20-2022, 06:29 PM

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Minus the 1st. Kuzma is not that good.

Kuzma - the dude that went exactly 20 picks after DSJ in 2017. DSJ - the failed pick that resulted in the Mavs taking the ill fated flyer on KP which led to us not having any assets, draft picks or dry powder.

saclare · 12-20-2022, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeus

Kuzma - the dude that went exactly 20 picks after DSJ in 2017. DSJ - the failed pick that resulted in the Mavs taking the ill fated flyer on KP which led to us not having any assets, draft picks or dry powder.

Does Kuzma increase that year's Mavs team at winning a few more games? If so, then no Luka the following year. Hell, we lucked into him anyway with the Hawks blunder.

JustJay · 12-20-2022, 09:38 PM

If we're going to look at missed draft picks before Luka, the obvious one is GIANNIS. But again, we wouldn't have Luka, and the so called "Braintrust" would screw up the team around Giannis and he'd be ringless anyway.

Zeus · 12-21-2022, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by saclare

Does Kuzma increase that year's Mavs team at winning a few more games? If so, then no Luka the following year. Hell, we lucked into him anyway with the Hawks blunder.

Highly doubtful. DSJ contributed on that horrible Mavs team.

saclare · 12-21-2022, 10:07 AM

Yea, but you're still playing hypotheticals lol

Like someone else said, the buck (no pun intended, well...maybe now) stopped with Giannis. That draft/off-season was such a cluster fuck.

Zeus · 12-21-2022, 10:41 AM

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Yea, but you're still playing hypotheticals lol

Like someone else said, the buck (no pun intended, well...maybe now) stopped with Giannis. That draft/off-season was such a cluster fuck.

You are correct in that regard!

Zeus · 12-21-2022, 10:44 AM

FYI - Giannis Bucks were in the lottery following his rookie year and after his 3rd year. Not many have hit the league with the impact of Luka.

JustJay · 12-21-2022, 11:32 AM

I can't remember was Luka our #1 target? Like if we had gotten the #1 pick would we have drafted Luka? I know Donnie was high on him.

saclare · 12-21-2022, 12:46 PM

I believe they were high on Ayton if I can recall...him and Jaren Jackson. But I think Luka would have won out in any scenario for Donnie and Mavs. I know they were definitely not as high on Trae.

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-21-2022, 12:50 PM

I remember reading Rick wanted Wendell Carter Jr. who has turned into a really solid player under the coach that should be coaching the Mavericks right now.

EricaLubarsky · 12-21-2022, 03:16 PM

DSJ is solid too.

We just didn?t give him time.

BPo001 · 12-21-2022, 05:00 PM

This is not a deterrent ? if the price of landing an All-Star level player is a second-round pick, teams will factor it into the cost of doing business and happily pay it.

The NBA?s nearly five-month investigation into the Knicks is complete and the league announced Wednesday that New York ?violated league rules governing the timing of this season?s free agency discussions.? Meaning the Knicks tampered with Jalen Brunson. Which everyone knew they did.

The punishment is the Knicks lose their 2025 second-round pick.

The Knicks are laughing about that all the way to the No.6 seed in the East (where they sit as of this writing). Brunson is averaging 20.8 points and 6.2 assists a game, has been the steady floor general the Knicks need and has played like an All-Star.

Until the NBA starts handing down real punishments tampering will not stop. Hell can we get the draft pick that is being taken since we were the team that lost the player?

JustJay · 12-21-2022, 06:16 PM

Can't realistically expect Brunson not to collude with his own father. They probably decided before that he would end up there.

But as for it being a league wide problem I agree.

saclare · 12-22-2022, 10:21 AM

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Can't realistically expect Brunson not to collude with his own father. They probably decided before that he would end up there.

But as for it being a league wide problem I agree.

Oh, it was much more than Daddy Brunson. They had his agents and coaches at some Mavs games if I recall.

Again, they really need to tighten the rules around this or it will spiral out of control. Currently, they might as well allow it.

A 2nd round pick is the definition of slap on the wrist. Oh no! We can't draft a fringe G league player, whatever shall the Knicks do now...

IT has to at least be a 1st given the value of the pick in either the draft or trades. And as someone pointed out, why should the team losing the player to such a tactic not receive anything? I'd say the same thing if this didn't involve the Mavs.

"Rule" is in-place and they need to enforce it, the problem is that they took a broad language approach to it. Strengthen the language and penalty, this type of engagement stops.

Zeus · 12-23-2022, 02:27 PM

So are we all to believe that if Cuban had offered Brunson 5 for 150 he would have turned down? Give me a MOFO break. Cuban never intended to offer him shit. Only Mavs FO apologists would think that he had any intention to go deep into the tax. Cuban should sell and realize a nice gain so he can actually have some money. He has earned that.

saclare · 12-23-2022, 05:14 PM

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So are we all to believe that if Cuban had offered Brunson 5 for 150 he would have turned down? Give me a MOFO break. Cuban never intended to offer him shit. Only Mavs FO apologists would think that he had any intention to go deep into the tax. Cuban should sell and realize a nice gain so he can actually have some money. He has earned that.

He literally never offered the Mavs a chance to offer that (or anything else) after the NYK meeting...

saclare · 12-23-2022, 05:15 PM

And for god's sake no one is a Mavs FO apologist. We are just following real time things that actually happened. Brunson wanted out and to run a team as the only PG. Stars aligned for him and his dad for the NYK. We all need to collectively get over this...

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-23-2022, 06:52 PM

Yeah, even if it were true that Cuban wouldn't offer 5/150, he was never able to so it's moot. That's not being an apologist at all. I like to look at facts vs fiction.

Brunson made up his mind long before FA started.

FreshJive · 12-23-2022, 09:19 PM

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DSJ is solid too.

We just didn?t give him time.

Lol. He forced his way out.

JustJay · 12-23-2022, 10:29 PM

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Lol. He forced his way out.

I thought we traded him for KP?

FreshJive · 12-23-2022, 10:42 PM

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I thought we traded him for KP?

After Dennis refused to play and practice. He pretended to be sick while demanding a trade.

JustJay · 12-24-2022, 01:24 AM

I forgot about that, but even if he was a model player it wouldn't have stopped them from trading him for Porzingis. I know it didn't work out for KP in Dallas but that's hindsight and he did average 20 ppg here. DSJ is still not Porzingis today even.

FreshJive · 12-24-2022, 09:02 AM

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I forgot about that, but even if he was a model player it wouldn't have stopped them from trading him for Porzingis. I know it didn't work out for KP in Dallas but that's hindsight and he did average 20 ppg here. DSJ is still not Porzingis today even.

Yeah. The Porzingis trade was one of the biggest gifts dropped in the lap of Mavs management in NBA history. I was only arguing against the notion that Smith wasn't given enough time to develop. He didn't even give the Mavs a choice in the matter.

Melonhead · 12-24-2022, 09:25 PM

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He literally never offered the Mavs a chance to offer that (or anything else) after the NYK meeting...

You don?t need a meeting for that. Mavs already drew their line there?s no reason to meet to beg him to stay for less.

Zeus · 12-25-2022, 07:22 AM

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You don?t need a meeting for that. Mavs already drew their line there?s no reason to meet to beg him to stay for less.

Exactly. The line you referenced was floated by the Mavs well ahead of time. Of course I am one of the fans who early on in that season thought we should let JB walk after he was played off the court in the previous season. So there is some revisionism on my part with regard to my feelings leading in to that season. I admit it.