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SMC0007 · 02-14-2023, 12:33 PM

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I hope I'm right and you're wrong lol but I could see Hardy getting the short end as I think Green is here to stay and has claimed his minutes

Last night was a good reminder of the need for an interior presence...EL might not be too far off on Poetl

I hope you're right roo, but Kidd has fvcked up these rotations quite a bit and I don't see it magically changing. Maybe he's just filler but I feel like all it will take is Hardy to miss a rotation or even get blamed for some shit that's not even his fault and Holiday comes in

purplefrog · 02-14-2023, 02:02 PM

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Mavs to workout Lamarcus Aldridge

I could see the Mavs signing LMA and waiving Morris. Seems like a stupid move (I like Morris on this team and want to see him get some minutes), but then again Cuban IS the smartest person in the room so, maybe we should trust him? I mean he is right up there with Jerry Jones.. right?

SMC0007 · 02-14-2023, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by purplefrog

I could see the Mavs signing LMA and waiving Morris. Seems like a stupid move (I like Morris on this team and want to see him get some minutes), but then again Cuban IS the smartest person in the room so, maybe we should trust him? I mean he is right up there with Jerry Jones.. right?

Right.

We going to pick up Dale Davis too

Simon2 · 02-14-2023, 02:41 PM

But what happened to LMA?s heart condition? Why don?t the Mavs just get Dwight Howard. We know he will be in shape.

BPo001 · 02-14-2023, 02:56 PM

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But what happened to LMA?s heart condition? Why don?t the Mavs just get Dwight Howard. We know he will be in shape.

I?d actually like to see Howard get a look. At least he has some size and can rebound.

purplefrog · 02-14-2023, 03:07 PM

Much rather have Howard than LMA. He theoretically provides some rim protection and rebounding. I don't see either of those with LMA. I wonder if this is Ky's idea since they played together in Brooklyn.

BPo001 · 02-14-2023, 03:31 PM

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Much rather have Howard than LMA. He theoretically provides some rim protection and rebounding. I don't see either of those with LMA. I wonder if this is Ky's idea since they played together in Brooklyn.

Only thing I see LMA bringing to the table is his mid range game which Wood can offer. Otherwise this makes no sense.

BPo001 · 02-14-2023, 03:35 PM

Dallas Mavericks PR: The Dallas Mavericks have waived forward Chris Silva. ? via Twitter MavsPR

Melonhead · 02-14-2023, 04:30 PM

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Dallas Mavericks PR: The Dallas Mavericks have waived forward Chris Silva. ? via Twitter MavsPR

lol i havent watched every minute, but i dont recall him getting any minutes

SMC0007 · 02-14-2023, 07:08 PM

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lol i havent watched every minute, but i dont recall him getting any minutes

He played a few mins total. Mesningless waste of time

BPo001 · 02-14-2023, 09:38 PM

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lol i havent watched every minute, but i dont recall him getting any minutes

He got a little burn one game. Obviously he wasn?t a difference maker.

Dallas41 · 02-14-2023, 11:37 PM

Even a guy like Looney would elevate this team

Seems like Powell is similiar to that dude but for some reason Powell isn't consistent like Looney.

Kind of hard to believe every since Tyson Chandler left over a decade ago this team hasn't hit on a center not once.

Everyone keeps saying centers are not important but then you see what Lopez does for Milwaukee, what Capella does for Atlanta or Kessler for Utah and wonder why the Mavs are always in the situation they are year after year at that position

liqwidhalo · 02-14-2023, 11:39 PM

Anyone here want Serge Ibaka?

EricaLubarsky · 02-15-2023, 12:13 AM

We could have had Poeltl

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-15-2023, 12:26 AM

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We could have had Poeltl

Source?

liqwidhalo · 02-15-2023, 01:47 AM

The Mavs didn't have two 2nd round picks to give to San Antonio for Poetl

liqwidhalo · 02-15-2023, 06:51 AM

Magic Sign Former Pacer Goga Bitadze, Sixers sign Dewayne Dedmon, Mavs FO still need to pick up another center , don't know why Mavs FO didn't pick up either of those two , hell, sign Meyers Leonard, he shot 39% from three for his career

BPo001 · 02-15-2023, 08:41 AM

Kidd and Dudley have a history with Dwight Howard from their Laker days. Really wish they would kick the tires on him at this point. Is there anybody in the G league?

BPo001 · 02-15-2023, 09:48 AM

Dallas tried trading Hardaway and Christian Wood at the trade deadline, but the league had limited interest in both players. This is the roster the Mavericks have, one that has depth issues at all three major positions: ballhandler, wing,and big man. ? via Tim Cato @ The Athletic

Wood?s situation is more complicated: He?s a dangerous scorer who often doesn?t cover enough space defensively to warrant the coaching staff?s trust. But the Mavericks remain in need of his minutes on this roster, even if Wood might not be thrilled with the limited bench role he?s been assigned and will almost certainly depart this summer. ? via Tim Cato @ The Athletic

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-15-2023, 10:18 AM

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The Mavs didn't have two 2nd round picks to give to San Antonio for Poetl

SA probably didn't want to trade him to a division rival with Kyrie and Luka on the team.

saclare · 02-15-2023, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

We could have had Poeltl

Mavs are #1 in points given up in the paint. Guess who is number two?

saclare · 02-15-2023, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

SA probably didn't want to trade him to a division rival with Kyrie and Luka on the team.

Or they wanted the best deal offered. SA also got a 1st rounder in addition to the two 2nds.

EricaLubarsky · 02-15-2023, 10:25 AM

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Dallas tried trading Hardaway and Christian Wood at the trade deadline, but the league had limited interest in both players. This is the roster the Mavericks have, one that has depth issues at all three major positions: ballhandler, wing,and big man. ? via Tim Cato @ The Athletic

Wood?s situation is more complicated: He?s a dangerous scorer who often doesn?t cover enough space defensively to warrant the coaching staff?s trust. But the Mavericks remain in need of his minutes on this roster, even if Wood might not be thrilled with the limited bench role he?s been assigned and will almost certainly depart this summer. ? via Tim Cato @ The Athletic

What a shit show.

Traded a FRP for him. No one wants him. Now he?s guaranteed to walk for nothing. Maybe we can be smart and SNT him or use the space for Kyrie and Kyrie can attract some decent talent, but it?s never a good locker room decision to have guys on the roster who don?t want to be here/you obviously don?t want. Last year we way overperformed our shit roster. Now we?re vastly underperforming a Slightly more talented roster.

Half of our issues this year seem to be that the immaculate vibes are gone. This is why.

EricaLubarsky · 02-15-2023, 10:28 AM

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Mavs are #1 in points given up in the paint. Guess who is number two?

Mavs are 16th. What are you talking about?

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/misc...=OPP_PTS_PAINT

Spurs are worst but hard to put that on Poeltl. The whole team is just a poorly coached mess.

Poeltl 30pts, 9reb, 6blocks

EricaLubarsky · 02-15-2023, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by saclare

Or they wanted the best deal offered. SA also got a 1st rounder in addition to the two 2nds.

We could have offered 2025 FRP, and two 2025 SRPs, right?

And the way we?re going both the FRPs and SRPs would be top value

saclare · 02-15-2023, 10:42 AM

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Mavs are 16th. What are you talking about?

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/misc...=OPP_PTS_PAINT

Spurs are worst but hard to put that on Poeltl. The whole team is just a poorly coached mess.

Poeltl 30pts, 9reb, 6blocks

The source I grabbed that from had a qualifier I missed of the last 3 games LOL of course we were last...my bad, bad reading of stats.

It can be indicative for sure. Poeltl's first two games weren't as successful, and he's averaged over 5 fouls a game. They also appeared to be force feeding him as the Magic had no answer. All nitpicking, but part of my skepticism of giving up all of that for what Poeltl brings.

Of course he'd make us better, but do not think he solves the problem and that's what you'd expect when giving up so much.

saclare · 02-15-2023, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

We could have offered 2025 FRP, and two 2025 SRPs, right?

And the way we?re going both the FRPs and SRPs would be top value

Kinda hit this in my other reply, but given they could be top value and the Mavs already have up value in the Kyrie trade, I can see why they balked at this one. Especially with Poeltl expiring, as well.

saclare · 02-15-2023, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by saclare

The source I grabbed that from had a qualifier I missed of the last 3 games LOL of course we were last...my bad, bad reading of stats.

It can be indicative for sure. Poeltl's first two games weren't as successful, and he's averaged over 5 fouls a game. They also appeared to be force feeding him as the Magic had no answer. All nitpicking, but part of my skepticism of giving up all of that for what Poeltl brings.

Of course he'd make us better, but do not think he solves the problem and that's what you'd expect when giving up so much.

I should share my source tbh. If you aren't following Grant Afseth on Twitter (@GrantAfseth), he is a really good Mavs insider that dives into plays and actual basketball while covering the team and reporting.

Below is what he posted:

Most Opponent Points In Paint Per Game (Last 3 Games):

1. Dallas Mavericks: 64.0
2. San Antonio Spurs: 63.3
3. Minnesota Timberwolves: 62.7
4. Charlotte Hornets: 62.0
5. Detroit Pistons: 59.3

So EL, going by your link, the Mavs would be by far the worst interior defense by almost double digits. Yuck...

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-15-2023, 10:58 AM

Then I'm starting Wood at least until Kleber gets back. Wood is our best shot blocker and best offensive center. Yes, he is lazy on defense at times and so is the rest of our roster. I'd rather just go all in on offense at this point. Can't watch another game of Powell doing diddly shit in the starting lineup.

It is so bizarre that with Luka out, Powell looked like an NBA player. Now he looks like the same ole, same ole again. It should be the total opposite.

Melonhead · 02-15-2023, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

Dallas tried trading Hardaway and Christian Wood at the trade deadline, but the league had limited interest in both players. This is the roster the Mavericks have, one that has depth issues at all three major positions: ballhandler, wing,and big man. ? via Tim Cato @ The Athletic

Wood?s situation is more complicated: He?s a dangerous scorer who often doesn?t cover enough space defensively to warrant the coaching staff?s trust. But the Mavericks remain in need of his minutes on this roster, even if Wood might not be thrilled with the limited bench role he?s been assigned and will almost certainly depart this summer. ? via Tim Cato @ The Athletic

this season has been so exhausting.

saclare · 02-15-2023, 12:10 PM

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Then I'm starting Wood at least until Kleber gets back. Wood is our best shot blocker and best offensive center. Yes, he is lazy on defense at times and so is the rest of our roster. I'd rather just go all in on offense at this point. Can't watch another game of Powell doing diddly shit in the starting lineup.

It is so bizarre that with Luka out, Powell looked like an NBA player. Now he looks like the same ole, same ole again. It should be the total opposite.

To me, the way they played without Luka and Kyrie, it screams that Luka has to be the one to alter his game. No doubt was he putting up historic stat lines, but it doesn't translate into long term success and definitely will not cut it in a playoff series.

I would also say Kidd has his work cut out for him. You can't simply keep running the same splits for Luka (full 1st quarter, etc.). I never got that notion other than beefing up 1st quarter stats as if anyone gives a flying shit. In the end, it's wins that matter. Have to figure out ways to let Luka and Kyrie run with this squad.

That takes Luka turning up the dial and introducing some pace. And Kidd figuring out that with two of the best in the league the Mavs can have at least one on the court at all times. That's going to take some rotation experiments and ego checks. But it can be done.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-15-2023, 12:29 PM

Actually, I think Luka's slower pace WILL be good for the playoffs, but we aren't getting there grinding it out like every regular season game is the playoffs. Players need to run and more involved on the offense where it isn't just Luka ball 90% of the game.

Those three games were a different team. Loose, passing, running, finishing, smiles.

A Mavs twitter fan posted a video last game where Luka steals the ball at the top of the key and runs back for a layup. The entire bench was just dead pan in reaction. That was really bizarre from a bench that generally jumps up and cheers for such things.

Gosh, I really don't want to overreact that it's all Luka, but you saw how Kyrie interacted with the young guys when Luka was out. It was magical the way he let Hardy bring the ball up the court etc.

I think it's a maturity thing. Luka is still pretty young and barely older than Josh Green. He needs to start by stop bitching at the refs all game. He'll be so much happier just letting that stuff go. Get back on D and help your team.

SMC0007 · 02-15-2023, 12:31 PM

It's gonna take Luka a handful of games to adjust. He's elite IQ, he will sort it out quickly.

Melonhead · 02-15-2023, 12:38 PM

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It's gonna take Luka a handful of games to adjust. He's elite IQ, he will sort it out quickly.

Only adjustment i saw so far was he was playing faster (when the ball was in his hands).

Coaches have to start practicing sets in the post, coming off screen, and/or luka setting a pick for kyrie depending on matchups.

saclare · 02-15-2023, 12:40 PM

Oh, for sure. I think you both make good points. One clarification, I didn't mean drastically alter Luka's game but more so he's going to have to alter how they had been playing before. That's a captain obvious statement, but one that has to be said and understood and like SMC said, will take a couple of weeks.

The best part is that both Luka and Kyrie are tops in bball IQ, as well. They know what they have to do and I have confidence it will work out. Same can be said of Kidd with respect to bball IQ, but he's got to figure the coaching side out.

One thing is for sure, this Mavs team can run with the best of them so I'd hope to see our pace have a relative increase to take advantage of that. Find the balance.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-15-2023, 01:31 PM

Yeah, long term I'm not really worried about Kyrie and Luka.

But we have to get a damn center this summer. Hell, if it costs us Hardy, then I'd consider it because of the red alert need for one.

We are not a serious team with Powell starting.

SMC0007 · 02-15-2023, 03:10 PM

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Only adjustment i saw so far was he was playing faster (when the ball was in his hands).

Coaches have to start practicing sets in the post, coming off screen, and/or luka setting a pick for kyrie depending on matchups.

Luka gets plenty of rebounds, he needs to move it up court quickly off those. Everyone needs to run for quick outlet passes.

Kyrie needs to be a little more aggressive off ball to get open and take more shots.

Luka needs to give thr ball up and post up more.

tap2390 · 02-15-2023, 05:34 PM

IMO Luka needs to defer to Green and Kyrie post-rebound. Let them run and see if they can generate a good look. If not, reset and run the half-court with Luka as primary.

This means if Luka gets the rebound he should be looking to get the outlet pass out asap.

SMC0007 · 02-15-2023, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

IMO Luka needs to defer to Green and Kyrie post-rebound. Let them run and see if they can generate a good look. If not, reset and run the half-court with Luka as primary.

This means if Luka gets the rebound he should be looking to get the outlet pass out asap.

Yes. In other words, exaclty what I said 2 hours prior.

tap2390 · 02-15-2023, 08:46 PM

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Yes. In other words, exaclty what I said 2 hours prior.

Yes but you said it in Uranus

I translated to English for everybody