GDT: Mavs vs Pacers (day games suck) 3-12-16

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Short answer: Dirk took a pay cut to keep this team competitive -- tanking would be a slap in the face.

That's why I say give him 20+mil next season to make up for those sacrifices and fill the roster with guys 25 and under.
Then everyone should be happy.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

That's why I say give him 20+mil next season to make up for those sacrifices and fill the roster with guys 25 and under.
Then everyone should be happy.

Do you think Dirk is going to a summer of workouts and then 82 games (maybe playing just 60 with no b2bs) just to win 15 games?

He will give a fuck for this 20m and just straight retire and enjoy the entire year with his family

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Do you think Dirk is going to a summer of workouts and then 82 games (maybe playing just 60 with no b2bs) just to win 15 games?

Agreed. I just don't see Dirk at his age embracing all the work that goes into getting him basketball ready for a 15-20win tank roster. He's never been about the money and I don't think that would make him happy. If it did then by all means max him out and tank if we can't get plan A for once I just see it as highly unlikely.

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

For the record: I wasn't advocating a full rebuild. I was simply quoting what Cuban said which would be a year off rebuild and then IMO retool when the cap skyrockets this summer. I think the team could have won almost as many games without having given Wes the max. And honestly, with the way this season is finishing, I'm not sure tanking is much of an option anymore. Mavs can't win even when they want to.

I don't like seeing a new team every season, but I'd say this one needs to be tweaked more than ever. It starts with getting rid of some of these PGS and forcing Rick to play somewhat sane lineups.

And I think getting swept on national tv to GS or SA will do more harm than good. Ugh.

Yeah I agree with this. I would like to know where Dirk stands with the options we have available. Even if we can move some pgs off the roster and sign a guy like DH12 to a contract that likely would be an overpay as well how much better will this team be? If Dirk was ok with opting out and taking a big salary increase(I doubt it) it would be better for a draft pick, but then how attractive are we the following year even with all the cap? Likely then Dirk will be retiring and all we have is a CP(maybe) and an overpaid Wes(assuming he can't re-establish value to be moved or be a core piece) and presumably an aged DH12 in a small ball era. Honestly the options are not great no matter how we look at it. But if you like the David Rob 1 year tank idea then after next year wouldn't be a bad time do do it either with cap going up again that year and frankly this year's free agent class outside of KD35 is rly underwhelming. 2017 does look better even if I'm not sure they are realistic options if we are a 15-20 win team.

It pains me to see us be this bad and it would pain me to see it again next year but if Dirk wants to at least field a roster that competes for the playoffs then I'm all for it 100%. I really don't want to see Dirk miserable playing with 25yr olds and getting doubled every time he touches the ball. If we have a 20 win roster around Dirk I really doubt he will have fun playing in what could be his final year. As far as I'm concerned he's earned more than enough equity from fans from his loyalty and I think Cuban does whatever makes Dirk feel respected, was all I was saying as well to clarify.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

It pains me to see us be this bad and it would pain me to see it again next year but if Dirk wants to at least field a roster that competes for the playoffs then I'm all for it 100%. I really don't want to see Dirk miserable playing with 25yr olds and getting doubled every time he touches the ball. If we have a 20 win roster around Dirk I really doubt he will have fun playing in what could be his final year. As far as I'm concerned he's earned more than enough equity from fans from his loyalty and I think Cuban does whatever makes Dirk feel respected, was all I was saying as well to clarify.

The question is how big of a difference there is between just barely missing/making the playoffs and winning 20 games. This season is a failure, and do a few more wins really make a big difference? I'd actually much rather see some fun athletic guys around Dirk because it would properly contrast his game. Instead, he is playing with a bunch of old guys who are in the same boat as him and need games off just to stay healthy. Is Dirk happy with that? Some good things to ponder. If Dirk wants vets, so be it. But I just can't see Dirk being happy with what is going on right now.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

The question is how big of a difference there is between just barely missing/making the playoffs and winning 20 games. This season is a failure, and do a few more wins really make a big difference? I'd actually much rather see some fun athletic guys around Dirk because it would properly contrast his game. Instead, he is playing with a bunch of old guys who are in the same boat as him and need games off just to stay healthy. Is Dirk happy with that? Some good things to ponder. If Dirk wants vets, so be it. But I just can't see Dirk being happy with what is going on right now.

Yeah I doubt he is happy right now also. They aired some RC sounds of the game in pregame for one of these last games and one thing that stuck out to me was Dirk sitting down on the bench and RC walking to him saying "I'm going to have to put you back in soon" or something similar and Dirk had this... "I just sat down" blank stare on his face. While it's a testament to how good he is at his age to be needed for his level of play it's also a slap in the face at how bad we are constructed right now that he needs to play 32-40mins for us to have a remote chance night in night out.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Do you think Dirk is going to a summer of workouts and then 82 games (maybe playing just 60 with no b2bs) just to win 15 games?

He will give a fuck for this 20m and just straight retire and enjoy the entire year with his family

Ummm....the 20mil is back pay for the sacrifices he has made the past several years.
I really don't care if he plays one game for that money.....the point is to start developing youth.