josh mcroberts from duke says he's entering the nba draft - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

antoinewalker · 03-22-2007, 12:38 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2...ory?id=2808295

FINtastic · 03-22-2007, 09:56 PM

*crickets*

FINtastic · 03-23-2007, 12:39 AM

Let me say, that I think McRib is going to slide a little bit from where he is currently projected (middle of the first round). I just hope to God that Donnie has more sense than to try and take him.

EricaLubarsky · 03-23-2007, 04:21 AM

I wouldnt pick him up at the top of the second. The guy is pretty average at a college level and doesnt have a lot of potential.

jayC · 03-23-2007, 10:07 AM

Give me Tyler Hansbourgh if he comes out.

mqywaaah · 03-23-2007, 12:32 PM

Who can we possibly get with the Atlanta deal? Are they any good?

EricaLubarsky · 03-23-2007, 02:51 PM

According to the estimates we draft at 36, 51 and 60. The 36th pick could come up as Atlanta flounders. It's a deep draft for sure but the Atlanta pick looks to be the only one with any real chance at providing value.

Five-ofan · 03-23-2007, 04:58 PM

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I wouldnt pick him up at the top of the second. The guy is pretty average at a college level and doesnt have a lot of potential.

are you out of your mind? hes not amazing or anything but athletically hes extremely gifted and he has an amazing understanding of the game. hes luke walton at worst if he goes to a good situation.

sike · 03-23-2007, 05:55 PM

triple yawn.

FINtastic · 03-23-2007, 11:13 PM

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are you out of your mind? hes not amazing or anything but athletically hes extremely gifted and he has an amazing understanding of the game. hes luke walton at worst if he goes to a good situation.

McShav has 1/10 of the basketball IQ of Luke Walton. He's a spare, and his athleticism is a little overrated as well.

EricaLubarsky · 03-24-2007, 01:28 AM

You just have to wonder why a 6'10 bruiser with all that smarts and athleticism isn't dominating on the college level.

Five-ofan · 03-24-2007, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

You just have to wonder why a 6'10 bruiser with all that smarts and athleticism isn't dominating on the college level.

you could make the same comments about greg oden if you just changed it to 7 ft. as for mcrobers he has a terrible pg. greg paulus should have stuck with football.

EricaLubarsky · 03-24-2007, 02:42 AM

15ppg, 10rpg, 3.5bpg on 61% shooting in 29min is pretty dominant.

Five-ofan · 03-24-2007, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

15ppg, 10rpg, 3.5bpg on 61% shooting in 29min is pretty dominant.

on a team with one of the best pgs in the nation instead of paulus and oden is at worst considered the number 2 pick. you said you didnt think mccroberts warranted an early second. 13-8-2.5bpg AND 3.5 apg plus doubling oden1.2 to .6 in steals really isnt much different. especially not enough to go from number 1 pick to not worthy of early second. college numbers really dont mean all that much. ill wait to see where he goes to make my complete predictions about him because the wrong coach could mess him up but if he goes to a well coached team he'll be a very good player. i dont ever see him being an all star but extremely useful nonetheless.

EricaLubarsky · 03-24-2007, 03:39 AM

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on a team with one of the best pgs in the nation instead of paulus and oden is at worst considered the number 2 pick. you said you didnt think mccroberts warranted an early second. 13-8-2.5bpg AND 3.5 apg plus doubling oden1.2 to .6 in steals really isnt much different. especially not enough to go from number 1 pick to not worthy of early second. college numbers really dont mean all that much. ill wait to see where he goes to make my complete predictions about him because the wrong coach could mess him up but if he goes to a well coached team he'll be a very good player. i dont ever see him being an all star but extremely useful nonetheless.

you are right about college not meaning much but Oden came out of high school as the guy with the highest potential and has been nothing short of dominant in college which means teams are not only looking at potential, they see that he has at least justified some of the hopes they had for him. McRoberts is coming out as a guy that is a 6'10" tweener that would be placed at the center position but cant rebound (he plays 6 more minutes than Oden and pulls down fewer). His game also doesnt look like it will transfer to the NBA as well as Odens who has the tremendous athleticism and legitimate size to get the job done. In my opinion if you are a tweener, you have to be dominant at a part of the game that will transfer to the next level. Unless its a very weak draft like 2002, and 2004 you wont see many big guys drafted in the first round that cant rebound and this happens to be one of the strongest drafts of the decade. I just cant see drafting him higher than 35.

First rounders
Chris Bosh- 16ppg, 9.0rpg, 2.2bpg, 1.2apg
Collison- 18.5ppg, 10rpg, 2bpg, 2apg, 1.2spg
Gooden- 20ppg, 11.4rpg, 1.4bpg, 2spg, 2apg
Chris Kaman- 22ppg, 12rpg, 3.2bpg, 1apg
Sweetney- 23ppg, 10rpg, 2bpg, 2apg
David West- 20ppg, 12rpg, 2bpg, 3.2apg
Rafael Araujo- 15.1ppg, 10rpg, 1bpg, 1spg 2004
Chris Wilcox- 12ppg, 7rpg, 2bpg, 2apg, 1spg 2002
David Harrison- 14ppg, 8.3rpgg, 3.3bpg, 1spg 2004
Marcus Haislip- 17ppg, 7rpg, 2bpg, 1apg 2002

Second rounders
Carlos Boozer- 18ppg, 9rpg, 1apg
Jackson Vroman 12ppg, 9rpg, 2apg
Jason Jennings- 15ppg, 7rpg, 3.5bpg, 57%fg, 1apg
Rick Rickert- 16ppg, 6rpg, 1bpg, 1apg
Matt Bonner- 15ppg, 6rpg, 2apg, 1bpg
Robert Archibald- 11ppg, 6rpg, 1bpg, 1spg, 1apg
Walton- 11ppg, 6rpg, 5apg

Other than assists and steals which wont necessarily transfer to an NBA game he looks most statistically like David Harrison and Jason Jennings

Five-ofan · 03-24-2007, 03:49 AM

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you are right about college not meaning much but Oden came out of high school as the guy with the highest potential and has been nothing short of dominant in college which means teams are not only looking at potential, they see that he has at least justified some of the hopes they had for him. McRoberts is coming out as a guy that is a 6'10" tweener that would be placed at the center position but cant rebound (he plays 6 more minutes than Oden and pulls down fewer). His game also doesnt look like it will transfer to the NBA as well as Odens who has the tremendous athleticism and legitimate size to get the job done. In my opinion if you are a tweener, you have to be dominant at a part of the game that will transfer to the next level. Unless its a very weak draft like 2002, and 2004 you wont see many big guys drafted in the first round that cant rebound and this happens to be one of the strongest drafts of the decade. I just cant see drafting him higher than 35.

First rounders
Chris Bosh- 16ppg, 9.0rpg, 2.2bpg, 1.2apg
Collison- 18.5ppg, 10rpg, 2bpg, 2apg, 1.2spg
Gooden- 20ppg, 11.4rpg, 1.4bpg, 2spg, 2apg
Chris Kaman- 22ppg, 12rpg, 3.2bpg, 1apg
Sweetney- 23ppg, 10rpg, 2bpg, 2apg
David West- 20ppg, 12rpg, 2bpg, 3.2apg
Rafael Araujo- 15.1ppg, 10rpg, 1bpg, 1spg 2004
Chris Wilcox- 12ppg, 7rpg, 2bpg, 2apg, 1spg 2002
David Harrison- 14ppg, 8.3rpgg, 3.3bpg, 1spg 2004
Marcus Haislip- 17ppg, 7rpg, 2bpg, 1apg 2002

Second rounders
Carlos Boozer- 18ppg, 9rpg, 1apg
Jackson Vroman 12ppg, 9rpg, 2apg
Jason Jennings- 15ppg, 7rpg, 3.5bpg, 57%fg, 1apg
Rick Rickert- 16ppg, 6rpg, 1bpg, 1apg
Matt Bonner- 15ppg, 6rpg, 2apg, 1bpg
Robert Archibald- 11ppg, 6rpg, 1bpg, 1spg, 1apg
Walton- 11ppg, 6rpg, 5apg

He looks most like Jason Jennings statistically.

and greg oden is erick dampier statistically. when has greg oden ever been "dominant" in college??? hes never been the best player on his team.

EricaLubarsky · 03-24-2007, 03:53 AM

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and greg oden is erick dampier statistically. when has greg oden ever been "dominant" in college??? hes never been the best player on his team.

When was Kevin Garnet dominant in college? When was Amare? Oden is a work in progress that should have been drafted out of high school but put up great numbers in limited minutes in college.

Lets not forget that Oden kicked the crap out of McRoberts' first year playing. 9ppg, 5rpg, 1.3bpg, 1spg in about as many minutes as Oden played his freshman year. McRoberts has learned how to be successful in college, but still cant rebound at a level that makes him a first rounder. Period. Oden was a man amongst men in high school and proved he can put up numbers as good as any first-round center in his freshman year.

Five-ofan · 03-24-2007, 03:58 AM

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When was Kevin Garnet dominant in college? Oden is a work in progress that should have been drafted out of high school but put up great numbers in limited minutes in college.

Lets not forget that Oden kicked the crap out of McRoberts' first year playing. 9ppg, 5rpg, 1.3bpg, 1spg in about as many minutes as Oden played his freshman year.

uhhh kg didnt play in college so thats obviously not a realistic point. look we all know i think oden is overhyped my point remains i think its hilarious you think 15-9.7-.7-3.5-.6 are great numbers worthy of the number one pick while playing with a great pg but 13-7.8-3.5-2.5-1.2 are terrible numbers not worthy of an early second while playing with a bum of a pg. like i said i dont really care about their numbers but they arent that different there.

EricaLubarsky · 03-24-2007, 04:00 AM

his rebounding sucks for a first rounder. Im sorry. I tried to show that in decent drafts 8rpg in 35min isnt going to cut it. Combine that with teams being unsure how he will fit in in the NBA and all that and you have yourself a second round pick.

And tell me how having a bad point guard makes him rebound poorly?

Five-ofan · 03-24-2007, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

his rebounding sucks for a first rounder. Im sorry. I tried to show that in decent drafts 8rpg in 35min isnt going to cut it. Combine that with teams being unsure how he will fit in in the NBA and all that and you have yourself a second round pick.

And tell me how having a bad point guard makes him rebound poorly?

hes a forward not a center. if you think his rebounding sucks as a tweener forward(he can play both forward spots) at 8 per game why the hell do you think odens is great at 10 a game as a center whos major attributes are rebounding and defending when mcroberts main attributes are court feel and passing??? its just a dumb comparison to put him against those other guys because none of them could pass like him. very rarely does a college big average 3.5 apg. it just doesnt happen that often.

EricaLubarsky · 03-24-2007, 04:06 AM

how does "court feel" get measured by an NBA GM? And why do you think that any NBA GM would say "wow I want a passing big guy"....barring golden state.

EricaLubarsky · 03-24-2007, 04:10 AM

and btw he isnt going to be a combo forward in the NBA. He will be a C/PF and from what Ive seen of his lateral movement he may be limited to the center spot which is why I think rebounding is important and I see GMs thinking the same.

FINtastic · 03-24-2007, 01:32 PM

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uhhh kg didnt play in college so thats obviously not a realistic point. look we all know i think oden is overhyped my point remains i think its hilarious you think 15-9.7-.7-3.5-.6 are great numbers worthy of the number one pick while playing with a great pg but 13-7.8-3.5-2.5-1.2 are terrible numbers not worthy of an early second while playing with a bum of a pg. like i said i dont really care about their numbers but they arent that different there.

Oden put up those numbers on a team loaded with talent. And he did it with one good hand for a decent part of the season. He's a raw freshman with much better tools than McBob has to work with. And despite how raw he is, he still managed to put up 16 and 10, which is very good for a freshman (has Durant set the bar so high, that we have totally forgotten what kind of numbers most freshmen put up?). On a team desparate for McRoberts to step up and be the star, McRoberts dreadfully underachieved. And McRoberts' numbers are nowhere near as close when you factor in that he played 6 more minutes a game. I also wonder about the dude's motivation to stay conditioned because the dude always looked like he had a little fat on him throughout the season, and didn't seem like the lean, athletic specimen he was made out to be coming out of high school. The dude plays pretty soft as well.

Oh, one more stat that was left out - Oden shot about 10% higher from the field.

Five-ofan · 03-24-2007, 01:38 PM

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Oden put up those numbers on a team loaded with talent. And he did it with one good hand for a decent part of the season. He's a raw freshman with much better tools than McBob has to work with. And despite how raw he is, he still managed to put up 16 and 10, which is very good for a freshman (has Durant set the bar so high, that we have totally forgotten what kind of numbers most freshmen put up?). On a team desparate for McRoberts to step up and be the star, McRoberts dreadfully underachieved. And McRoberts' numbers are nowhere near as close when you factor in that he played 6 more minutes a game. I also wonder about the dude's motivation to stay conditioned because the dude always looked like he had a little fat on him throughout the season, and didn't seem like the lean, athletic specimen he was made out to be coming out of high school. The dude plays pretty soft as well.

Oh, one more stat that was left out - Oden shot about 10% higher from the field.

the argument im trying to make isnt that mcroberts is as good as or better than oden. he isnt. the point is numbers wise the difference isnt that big.

Dirkenstien · 03-26-2007, 12:34 PM

I just hope we get Chris Loftin. It may be a longshot but I haven't seen any really high projections for hm yet. Right now he's undecided about entering, but seeing how far Tennessee managed to go in the tourney I think his stock is respectable.

FedericoItaly · 04-24-2007, 01:16 PM

Excuse me, but Mavs have some possibilities to draft Marco Belinelli????

I am Italian and I think is ready for the NBA, He is very good to shooting for three, but He is also a good defender. In My opinion is wrong tells that Marco is simaliar to Brent Barry, because Marco has a better defensive....

dallas85 · 04-24-2007, 09:18 PM

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and greg oden is erick dampier statistically. when has greg oden ever been "dominant" in college??? hes never been the best player on his team.

Oden's stats are also eerily similar to Yinka Dare (no joke):

College Stats:

Dare: 15.4 PPG, 10.3 RPG, 1.9 BPG, 54% FG, 58% FT, 0.6 APG
Oden: 15.7 PPG, 9.6 RPG, 3.3 BPG, 62% FG, 63% FT, 0.7 APG

Both can't make a pass to save their life... Dare became legendary by not recording his first assist until his third season in the NBA... mind you he didn't play much but I think it wasn't until around 800 game minutes before he got his first assist.

Oden will obviously be a much better player... but the parallels are there: Big 7 footers who have never shown a great capability of being a dominant scorer, lottery or soon to be lottery picks, great shot blockers, bad free throw shooters, good rebounders, and black holes once the ball touches their hands.