2018 NBA Draft

[Magnum_3_Ball]

Originally Posted by tap2390

I think there are some really good arguments for Bagley over JJJ...

1) JJJ has an incredibly low usage rate and comes off the bench. It's not fair to expect him to maintain his efficiency in the NBA.

2) JJJ doesn't stay on the floor due to foul trouble... his game log is full of 4 or 5 fouls in 15-20 minutes

3) Bagley consistently performs versus tough teams... 30/14 vs. UVA... 32/21 vs. Florida St.... 30/15 vs. Florida.... 34/15 vs. Texas...

Bagley has his flaws, but there's a reason he's been considered the best player in his class for years. He's number 4 on my board.


My Board: 1) Ayton - 2) Doncic - 3) Porter Jr. (if healthy) - 4) Bagley - 5) JJJ

Here's the thing with Bagley & those #s...


That 30 & 14 he put up vs Virginia happened primarily vs guys 6-7 & one 6-10 White stiff who managed 3 rebs in 31 min & has a career avg of essentially 3 pts & 4 rebs, oh and they had a 6-9 soph come in & play 10 min in that game too. Nothing like the size & physicality Bagley will see in the NBA.

vs Florida St, Bagley's 32 & 21 came while he faced one guy over 6-9 (most of the Seminoles are 6-8 & under), and that was a 7 foot Freshman who managed 2 rebs in 13 min.

vs Florida, Bagley's 30 & 15 was compiled vs one guy over 6-9, a 6-11 stiff from Australia, who posted 0 rebs & 3 fouls in 7 min. In fact, only 2 of the 8 other Gators to see the floor were over 6-6, and they only played 25 min (a 6-9 Junior) & 16 min (a 6-8 Soph) respectively.

vs Texas, Bagley's 34 & 15, I watched these highlights on FrankieVision, and yes it's the first time he did anything in one of these games you've listed vs a big with an NBA future, in Mo Bamba, but this was early in the season & Bamba played very poorly defensively. Actually it's a good example of why I'm not high on Mo Bamba. He gets pushed around, plays out of position, falls asleep on the floor & misses assignments, and the last thing in the world Mo Bamba is, is a bruiser, somebody that's going to drop his ass, plant it into an opponent & BOX OUT. Bamba stands upright like a statue & tries to use his insane reach on every rebound. To Bagley's credit, he abused Bamba in this game badly. But, I'd like to see Bagley do it vs Ayton or a credible NBA body that bangs in the low post for rebounds. That's not Mo Bamba.


The whole Porter Jr, if healthy thing. He's been cleared & Mizzou has 2 games left in the regular season. He didn't play vs Kentucky yesterday. There's no word on him playing in their next game. Potentially he only has 3 games left to play in Mizzou's season. So, when is the "IF" going to be come a reality? We can't look at him as IF healthy imo. Like what if he shows up for Mizzou's March Madness game, and he doesn't play well. Tailor made excuse for him, well it was his first game, etc etc... I just don't see it with Porter Jr. He's already missed the college season. The development opportunity is out the window & I don't think he'll ever be healthy imo.


Edit: More of Bagley's game logs

His 25 & 10 in his first game vs Elon, did not face a single opponent over 6-8, which makes his 0 blocks in 29 minutes look worse

vs Michigan St, he gets poked in the right eye by his own teammate w/ 10 min to go in the 1st half & sits the rest of the game. Smh. Watching the replay, it looked like he should of missed a few minutes & that's it. 10 min 4 pts 6 rebs vs real competition

24 & 8 vs Furman, no opponents over 6-8. One 6-8 starter, a Junior who played 24 min, one 6-8 reserve, a Soph who played 15 min, a 6-7 reserve, a Freshman who played 19 min, and a 6-7 reserve, a Senior who played 9 min, everyone else on the roster is 6-5 & under. Bagley w/ 1 block in 29 minutes.

18 & 15 vs Portland St, came vs mostly guys 6-8 & under, outside of a 7-1 Senior who played 9 min & a 6-10 Sophomore who played 2 min.

23 & 10 vs Indiana, came vs all guys 6-8 & under, excepts for a 6-10 Sophomore who played 21 min and had 16 & 5... Bagley by the way 0 blocks in 38 minutes vs all undersized opponents

19 & 12 vs South Dakota, one guy, a 6-10 Junior, the other forward for S Dakota is 6-6, the two forwards that came off the bench, 6-7 & 6-8. One reserve forward 6-9 who played 3 minutes. Essentially, one 6-10 guy & all 6-8 & under opponents.

21 & 11 vs St Francis (PA), again one guy who is 6-10 (Sophomore) played 24 min, a 6-9 (Freshman) reserve played 14 min, and then everyone outside of a 6-8 Senior who played 6 min was 6-5 or under. Bagley with 0 blocks in 26 min.

15 & 12 vs Boston College, Bagley played 40 minutes, he faced one opponent who was 6-11, a Soph who played 28 min, and one one opponent who was 6-10, a Soph who played 18 min, the rest of BC's squad that day: a 6-8 Fresh who played 37 min, a 6-6 Junior who played 38 min, a 6-5 Junior who played 40 min, a 6-1 Soph who played 36 min, and a 6-7 Freshman who played 3 min. Bagley 1 block in 40 min vs this undersized group.

18 & 7 vs Evansville, faced no opponent over 6-9.

31 & 10 vs NC State, to my knowledge the first time he did something (excluding vs Texas) vs an opponent with an opposing big projected for the NBA in NC State's 7-0 Sophomore Center Omer Yurtseven. Have to give credit here. 11/14 FGs 10 rebs 4 blks in 38 min, and Yurtseven played 29 min. Although, the next tallest Wolfpack player is 6-8.

16 & 15 vs Pitt, tallest opponent a 6-10 Freshman who played 15 min, a 6-9 Soph who played 23 min, a 6-9 Freshman who played 6 min, and a 6-7 Freshman who played 8 min, everyone else for Pitt was 6-6 or under. Bagley w/ 0 blocks vs this group in 29 min.

30 & 11 vs Wake Forest, no one is talking about them as future NBA prospects, but Bagley did post this vs a 7-1 Junior who played 17 min, and a 7-0 Freshman who played 17 min. Everyone else on Wake is 6-8 or under, but legitimate size in this game.

13 & 12 vs Miami, Hurricanes 6-11 Sophomore Dewan Huell is someone I have seen projected in the 2nd round of this year's draft or early in next year's mocks. He posted 18 & 13 in 32 min in this game btw, also Miami had a 6-10 Junior play 12 min in this game. The rest of the Hurricanes in this game are 6-7 or under. Bagley with 0 blocks in 37 min.

20 & 7 vs Pitt, Bagley plays the same 29 min as he did in the first matchup, but this time the 6-10 Freshman stats & plays 26 min and then the 6-9 Sophomore plays 26 min, the 6-9 Freshman plays 4 min, and the 6-7 Freshman plays 6 min. Bagley with less than half the boards facing more height.

16 & 11 vs Wake Forest, this time the 7-1, 280 lb Junior plays 30 min & goes 9 for 9 from the floor while posting 18 & 12 (with 6 offensive rebs) and Bagley recording 0 blocks in 30 min, and the 7-0, 215 lb Freshman plays 25 min. Bagley's scoring nearly cut in half when Wake's bigs increase their playing time.

12 & 8 vs Notre Dame, tallest opponent a 6-10 Senior who played 27 min, a 6-9 Soph who played 25 min, a 6-8 Junior who played 19 min, and everyone else on the roster 6-7 or under. Wendell Carter Jr only played 26 min in this game, only taking 8 FGA & recording only 7 rebs. Bagley played 34 min and shot just 4/14 FGs vs an undersized team with no future NBA prospects.

19 & 7 vs St Johns, tallest opponent a 6-11 205 lb Junior who played 37 min, a 6-9 Senior who played 2 min, and everyone else for St John's is 6-7 & under. Bagley with 0 blocks in 34 min.

15 & 16 vs North Carolina in 39 min, tallest opponent a 6-11 240 lb Freshman who played 4 min, a 6-9 215 lb Freshman who played 12 min, and everyone else for UNC is 6-8 & under. People talk about 6-8 Junior Luke Maye as a potential NBA draft pick, but I don't think he can even carry Tyler Hansbrough's jock strap, so that isn't saying much.

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by Magnum_3_Ball

Here's the thing with Bagley & those #s...


That 30 & 14 he put up vs Virginia happened primarily vs guys 6-7 & one 6-10 White stiff who managed 3 rebs in 31 min & has a career avg of essentially 3 pts & 4 rebs, oh and they had a 6-9 soph come in & play 10 min in that game too. Nothing like the size & physicality Bagley will see in the NBA.

vs Florida St, Bagley's 32 & 21 came while he faced one guy over 6-9 (most of the Seminoles are 6-8 & under), and that was a 7 foot Freshman who managed 2 rebs in 13 min.

vs Florida, Bagley's 30 & 15 was compiled vs one guy over 6-9, a 6-11 stiff from Australia, who posted 0 rebs & 3 fouls in 7 min. In fact, only 2 of the 8 other Gators to see the floor were over 6-6, and they only played 25 min (a 6-9 Junior) & 16 min (a 6-8 Soph) respectively.

vs Texas, Bagley's 34 & 15, I watched these highlights on FrankieVision, and yes it's the first time he did anything in one of these games you've listed vs a big with an NBA future, in Mo Bamba, but this was early in the season & Bamba played very poorly defensively. Actually it's a good example of why I'm not high on Mo Bamba. He gets pushed around, plays out of position, falls asleep on the floor & misses assignments, and the last thing in the world Mo Bamba is, is a bruiser, somebody that's going to drop his ass, plant it into an opponent & BOX OUT. Bamba stands upright like a statue & tries to use his insane reach on every rebound. To Bagley's credit, he abused Bamba in this game badly. But, I'd like to see Bagley do it vs Ayton or a credible NBA body that bangs in the low post for rebounds. That's not Mo Bamba.


The whole Porter Jr, if healthy thing. He's been cleared & Mizzou has 2 games left in the regular season. He didn't play vs Kentucky yesterday. There's no word on him playing in their next game. Potentially he only has 3 games left to play in Mizzou's season. So, when is the "IF" going to be come a reality? We can't look at him as IF healthy imo. Like what if he shows up for Mizzou's March Madness game, and he doesn't play well. Tailor made excuse for him, well it was his first game, etc etc... I just don't see it with Porter Jr. He's already missed the college season. The development opportunity is out the window & I don't think he'll ever be healthy imo.

Ehh.

Nitpicking after the fact like this is ridiculous IMO. Bagley has been one of the (if not THE) most consistent player in college basketball. He’s doing it as the number one option against other elite squads. He has legitimate questions about his defense, shooting, and position, but let’s not take away from what he’s doing to justify praise for another prospect. If we draft JJJ over Bagley it will certainly be due to long-term potential and not production.

[Magnum_3_Ball]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Ehh.

Nitpicking after the fact like this is ridiculous IMO. Bagley has been one of the (if not THE) most consistent player in college basketball. He’s doing it as the number one option against other elite squads. He has legitimate questions about his defense, shooting, and position, but let’s not take away from what he’s doing to justify praise for another prospect. If we draft JJJ over Bagley it will certainly be due to long-term potential and not production.

I just updated my post... I went through all of Bagley's game logs. Look at how many times he's putting up #s vs opponents who only have 1 player 6-9 or 6-10 that plays 20 min or less vs him & the rest of the team is 6-8 or under.

I don't understand how that is an "elite" squad.

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by Magnum_3_Ball

I just updated my post... I went through all of Bagley's game logs. Look at how many times he's putting up #s vs opponents who only have 1 player 6-9 or 6-10 that plays 20 min or less vs him & the rest of the team is 6-8 or under.

I don't understand how that is an "elite" squad.

If your argument is “well he’s playing against small college kids” it’s a very poor one. Every NBA prospect in the NCAA is going to outmatch the vast majority of players he faces. To nitpick about who was defending him is, once again, ridiculous. Bailey has dominated top-25 teams including #2 UVA who is widely considered the best defensive squad in D1.

[Magnum_3_Ball]

Originally Posted by tap2390

If your argument is “well he’s playing against small college kids” it’s a very poor one. Every NBA prospect in the NCAA is going to outmatch the vast majority of players he faces. To nitpick about who was defending him is, once again, ridiculous. Bailey has dominated top-25 teams including #2 UVA who is widely considered the best defensive squad in D1.

It's not my argument. Scouts say Bagley abuses players undersized & less athletic than he is, but struggles against players bigger & stronger than he is.

Look at his first game vs Wake Forest when 7-1, 280 lb Junior Doral Moore plays just 17 min, and then look at how Bagley's scoring is impacted when Moore & fellow 7 footer Olivier Sarr's playing time goes up in the rematch. Is it a coincidence that Moore goes 9 for 9 from the field vs Bagley?

As I originally said, his production in the Virginia game basically a game against one White 6-10 stiff & a bunch of guys 6-7 & under. 6-7!!! I'm suppose to be blown away that he can get rebounds vs guys 6-7 and one White stiff who's 6-10. How does that matter when he steps on the court next year vs Detroit & he's trying to pull down rebounds vs Blake Griffin & Andre Drummond & every back up the Pistons have is more talented, with more size & more athleticism than anyone on Virginia's roster since 1983 & Ralph Sampson?

Like seriously, outside of the Texas & NC State game, which game can you really point to & say that shows what Bagley can do at the next level?


Edit: And isn't it at least a little troubling all of those games vs guys who primarily are 6-8 & under and Bagley plays 30-40 min and registers 0 blocks? How does that happen for a guy whose suppose to be an interior presence?

[hayth.james.g]

Originally Posted by Magnum_3_Ball

It's not my argument. Scouts say Bagley abuses players undersized & less athletic than he is, but struggles against players bigger & stronger than he is.

Look at his first game vs Wake Forest when 7-1, 280 lb Junior Doral Moore plays just 17 min, and then look at how Bagley's scoring is impacted when Moore & fellow 7 footer Olivier Sarr's playing time goes up in the rematch. Is it a coincidence that Moore goes 9 for 9 from the field vs Bagley?

As I originally said, his production in the Virginia game basically a game against one White 6-10 stiff & a bunch of guys 6-7 & under. 6-7!!! I'm suppose to be blown away that he can get rebounds vs guys 6-7 and one White stiff who's 6-10. How does that matter when he steps on the court next year vs Detroit & he's trying to pull down rebounds vs Blake Griffin & Andre Drummond & every back up the Pistons have is more talented, with more size & more athleticism than anyone on Virginia's roster since 1983 & Ralph Sampson?

Like seriously, outside of the Texas & NC State game, which game can you really point to & say that shows what Bagley can do at the next level?


Edit: And isn't it at least a little troubling all of those games vs guys who primarily are 6-8 & under and Bagley plays 30-40 min and registers 0 blocks? How does that happen for a guy whose suppose to be an interior presence?

Your arguing your point with some real vigor... I can dig it

Reading through your posts, it seems like you are reaching quite often to prove your own bias correct. As previously stated, we could do this to any prospect which is why they are prospects. Its all a guessing game.

The question is does he have the skill set to translate to the NBA and potential + work ethic to continue to improve. Keep in mind that for many of these guys you can simply go back to their senior year at HS and summer ball to see how they faired against stacked competition. This was my biggest selling point to DSJ last year, and Porter Jr. this year. Bagley has always performed very well in these scenarios.

Again, I'm not saying I do not like JJJ. I am just struggling with putting him into the tier 1 (top 3) in this draft. Especially after watching today's game from start to finish.

[Magnum_3_Ball]

Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Your arguing your point with some real vigor... I can dig it

Reading through your posts, it seems like you are reaching quite often to prove your own bias correct. As previously stated, we could do this to any prospect which is why they are prospects. Its all a guessing game.

The question is does he have the skill set to translate to the NBA and potential + work ethic to continue to improve. Keep in mind that for many of these guys you can simply go back to their senior year at HS and summer ball to see how they faired against stacked competition. This was my biggest selling point to DSJ last year, and Porter Jr. this year. Bagley has always performed very well in these scenarios.

Again, I'm not saying I do not like JJJ. I am just struggling with putting him into the tier 1 (top 3) in this draft. Especially after watching today's game from start to finish.

You're right. There's not a ton of 7 foot bigs in the NCAA for Bagley, or any other prospect, to prove his wares against. However, he has shown signs of being a poor defender vs shorter, less athletic bigs & that is concerning. The notion of Bagley III being a one-way player should concern us all. If he were a more adept defender, then I'd probably be willing to cut him more slack.

As I wrote in a Youtube comment a while back, I think most fans don't pay attention to defense, they just look at typical box score stats points & rebounds, and they think Bagley is too good not to go in the top 3 of this draft. The problem with that idea is you're not drafting the best college basketball player because Bagley's stats at Duke mean nothing the moment he steps on an NBA court for the first time. What you are drafting is the best NBA prospect, and the box score from college does not always show, in fact can often times betray, the real ability of a player.

I'm much more concerned when I hear things like "has trouble defending the Pick n Roll", "takes plays off", or "has trouble following his defensive assignments" those are all things that Carlisle will sit a rookie for. If it's Julius Randle and we're 3/4 years into an NBA career & still have a reputation as a very poor defender, now we have a problem that impacts the chances of a championship contender. That's all stuff I weigh much heavier than 30 & 15 vs a team with an elite defensive system but a bunch of 6-7 guys enforcing it.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Magnum_3_Ball

Here's the thing with Bagley & those #s...

That 30 & 14 he put up vs Virginia happened primarily vs guys 6-7 & one 6-10 White stiff who managed 3 rebs in 31 min & has a career avg of essentially 3 pts & 4 rebs, oh and they had a 6-9 soph come in & play 10 min in that game too. Nothing like the size & physicality Bagley will see in the NBA.

vs Florida St, Bagley's 32 & 21 came while he faced one guy over 6-9 (most of the Seminoles are 6-8 & under), and that was a 7 foot Freshman who managed 2 rebs in 13 min.

vs Florida, Bagley's 30 & 15 was compiled vs one guy over 6-9, a 6-11 stiff from Australia, who posted 0 rebs & 3 fouls in 7 min. In fact, only 2 of the 8 other Gators to see the floor were over 6-6, and they only played 25 min (a 6-9 Junior) & 16 min (a 6-8 Soph) respectively.

vs Texas, Bagley's 34 & 15, I watched these highlights on FrankieVision, and yes it's the first time he did anything in one of these games you've listed vs a big with an NBA future, in Mo Bamba, but this was early in the season & Bamba played very poorly defensively. Actually it's a good example of why I'm not high on Mo Bamba. He gets pushed around, plays out of position, falls asleep on the floor & misses assignments, and the last thing in the world Mo Bamba is, is a bruiser, somebody that's going to drop his ass, plant it into an opponent & BOX OUT. Bamba stands upright like a statue & tries to use his insane reach on every rebound. To Bagley's credit, he abused Bamba in this game badly. But, I'd like to see Bagley do it vs Ayton or a credible NBA body that bangs in the low post for rebounds. That's not Mo Bamba.

His 25 & 10 in his first game vs Elon, did not face a single opponent over 6-8, which makes his 0 blocks in 29 minutes look worse

vs Michigan St, he gets poked in the right eye by his own teammate w/ 10 min to go in the 1st half & sits the rest of the game. Smh. Watching the replay, it looked like he should of missed a few minutes & that's it. 10 min 4 pts 6 rebs vs real competition

24 & 8 vs Furman, no opponents over 6-8. One 6-8 starter, a Junior who played 24 min, one 6-8 reserve, a Soph who played 15 min, a 6-7 reserve, a Freshman who played 19 min, and a 6-7 reserve, a Senior who played 9 min, everyone else on the roster is 6-5 & under. Bagley w/ 1 block in 29 minutes.

18 & 15 vs Portland St, came vs mostly guys 6-8 & under, outside of a 7-1 Senior who played 9 min & a 6-10 Sophomore who played 2 min.

23 & 10 vs Indiana, came vs all guys 6-8 & under, excepts for a 6-10 Sophomore who played 21 min and had 16 & 5... Bagley by the way 0 blocks in 38 minutes vs all undersized opponents

19 & 12 vs South Dakota, one guy, a 6-10 Junior, the other forward for S Dakota is 6-6, the two forwards that came off the bench, 6-7 & 6-8. One reserve forward 6-9 who played 3 minutes. Essentially, one 6-10 guy & all 6-8 & under opponents.

21 & 11 vs St Francis (PA), again one guy who is 6-10 (Sophomore) played 24 min, a 6-9 (Freshman) reserve played 14 min, and then everyone outside of a 6-8 Senior who played 6 min was 6-5 or under. Bagley with 0 blocks in 26 min.

15 & 12 vs Boston College, Bagley played 40 minutes, he faced one opponent who was 6-11, a Soph who played 28 min, and one one opponent who was 6-10, a Soph who played 18 min, the rest of BC's squad that day: a 6-8 Fresh who played 37 min, a 6-6 Junior who played 38 min, a 6-5 Junior who played 40 min, a 6-1 Soph who played 36 min, and a 6-7 Freshman who played 3 min. Bagley 1 block in 40 min vs this undersized group.

18 & 7 vs Evansville, faced no opponent over 6-9.

31 & 10 vs NC State, to my knowledge the first time he did something (excluding vs Texas) vs an opponent with an opposing big projected for the NBA in NC State's 7-0 Sophomore Center Omer Yurtseven. Have to give credit here. 11/14 FGs 10 rebs 4 blks in 38 min, and Yurtseven played 29 min. Although, the next tallest Wolfpack player is 6-8.

16 & 15 vs Pitt, tallest opponent a 6-10 Freshman who played 15 min, a 6-9 Soph who played 23 min, a 6-9 Freshman who played 6 min, and a 6-7 Freshman who played 8 min, everyone else for Pitt was 6-6 or under. Bagley w/ 0 blocks vs this group in 29 min.

30 & 11 vs Wake Forest, no one is talking about them as future NBA prospects, but Bagley did post this vs a 7-1 Junior who played 17 min, and a 7-0 Freshman who played 17 min. Everyone else on Wake is 6-8 or under, but legitimate size in this game.

13 & 12 vs Miami, Hurricanes 6-11 Sophomore Dewan Huell is someone I have seen projected in the 2nd round of this year's draft or early in next year's mocks. He posted 18 & 13 in 32 min in this game btw, also Miami had a 6-10 Junior play 12 min in this game. The rest of the Hurricanes in this game are 6-7 or under. Bagley with 0 blocks in 37 min.

20 & 7 vs Pitt, Bagley plays the same 29 min as he did in the first matchup, but this time the 6-10 Freshman stats & plays 26 min and then the 6-9 Sophomore plays 26 min, the 6-9 Freshman plays 4 min, and the 6-7 Freshman plays 6 min. Bagley with less than half the boards facing more height.

16 & 11 vs Wake Forest, this time the 7-1, 280 lb Junior plays 30 min & goes 9 for 9 from the floor while posting 18 & 12 (with 6 offensive rebs) and Bagley recording 0 blocks in 30 min, and the 7-0, 215 lb Freshman plays 25 min. Bagley's scoring nearly cut in half when Wake's bigs increase their playing time.

12 & 8 vs Notre Dame, tallest opponent a 6-10 Senior who played 27 min, a 6-9 Soph who played 25 min, a 6-8 Junior who played 19 min, and everyone else on the roster 6-7 or under. Wendell Carter Jr only played 26 min in this game, only taking 8 FGA & recording only 7 rebs. Bagley played 34 min and shot just 4/14 FGs vs an undersized team with no future NBA prospects.

19 & 7 vs St Johns, tallest opponent a 6-11 205 lb Junior who played 37 min, a 6-9 Senior who played 2 min, and everyone else for St John's is 6-7 & under. Bagley with 0 blocks in 34 min.

15 & 16 vs North Carolina in 39 min, tallest opponent a 6-11 240 lb Freshman who played 4 min, a 6-9 215 lb Freshman who played 12 min, and everyone else for UNC is 6-8 & under. People talk about 6-8 Junior Luke Maye as a potential NBA draft pick, but I don't think he can even carry Tyler Hansbrough's jock strap, so that isn't saying much.

Ran across an excellent tweet today that provided a simple counter to this rant...

@mikegrib8: Ppl say "who cares if Bagley had 33/17? it was against 6'5 Bonzie Colson" or "Who cares if Ayton had 32/16 or w/e he had against fucking GG Goloman"... But to me it's important trait to be able to dominate the match ups that you are supposed to dominate.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Ran across an excellent tweet today that provided a simple counter to this rant...

@mikegrib8: Ppl say "who cares if Bagley had 33/17? it was against 6'5 Bonzie Colson" or "Who cares if Ayton had 32/16 or w/e he had against fucking GG Goloman"... But to me it's important trait to be able to dominate the match ups that you are supposed to dominate.

Well we all know Magnum was a hot air troll who posted like a Russian bot on facebook. His entire aim was to create controversy.

But the flack against putting up big stats is also highly driven by advanced stat people. We live in an age where no amount of big stats means anything if it doesn't measure up against true winning percentage, or who you play against, or plus/minus, or win shares, or per 48, or per 36, or blah blah blah.

Anyone who has actually been on a basketball court in a 5v5 situation knows that putting up 33/17 is damn impressive. The fact that he put up 19/13 a day later in a back-to-back situation is equally impressive.