01-11-2006, 07:44 PM
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ALITO WIFE LEAVES HEARING IN TEARS AFTER DEM ATTACK
I guess they are trying to make Alito a racist and bigot.
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Judge Samuel A. Alito’s wife Martha left the confirmation hearing room in tears this evening, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) apologized to the Judge’s family for the behavior of his fellow committee members during the course of the last three days.
Sen. Graham said: “Judge Alito, I am sorry that you’ve had to go through this. I am sorry that your family has had to sit here and listen to this.”
Democrats on the Judiciary Committee have attacked Judge Samuel A. Alito over his membership in Concerned Alumni of Princeton and his involvement in the Vanguard case.
One senior Republican in the hearing room said of the situation: “After three full days of attacks against her husband’s character, Mrs. Alito had enough. Democrat behavior during this hearing has not only been wrong, it’s been embarrassing. Ted Kennedy is nothing but a bully.”
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Ted Kennedy is the poster boy of the Democrat Party. The best they have.
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01-12-2006, 04:01 PM
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Ted Kennedy is the poster boy of the Democrat Party. The best they have.
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And the GOP poster boy is Tom DeLay the former leader of the House
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01-12-2006, 04:04 PM
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And the GOP poster boy is Tom DeLay the former leader of the House
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Off topic I know, but how is that even remotely similar? I guess neither has been convicted, is that what you mean?
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01-12-2006, 04:08 PM
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Off topic I know, but how is that even remotely similar? I guess neither has been convicted, is that what you mean?
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Ok I will explain it Kennedy is not the leader of the democratic party.. you know making democrats guilty by assocciation? god you cons are hypocrites..
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01-12-2006, 04:15 PM
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Ok I will explain it Kennedy is not the leader of the democratic party.. you know making democrats guilty by assocciation? god you cons are hypocrites..
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Who said he was the leader? Do you know what poster boy means?
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01-12-2006, 04:07 PM
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MY favorite part of these these hearings in conservatives complaining that the Dems are using the 'guilt by association' playbook. If you listen to any conservative talking head that is what they ALWAYS do to democrats. They find an incident in a town somewhere in the country and then go on to claim'this is what the democratic party stands for", or better yet a teacher somewhere makes an outrageous comment and the " an example of the liberals setting the agenda in public schools".. it's laughable and hypocritical. Some feak somewhere marries an animal and we hear "and dems want to legalize gay marriage. do you see what could happen if we do allow the democratic party destroy the traditional family"
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01-12-2006, 04:14 PM
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MY favorite part of these these hearings in conservatives complaining that the Dems are using the 'guilt by association' playbook. If you listen to any conservative talking head that is what they ALWAYS do to democrats. They find an incident in a town somewhere in the country and then go on to claim'this is what the democratic party stands for", or better yet a teacher somewhere makes an outrageous comment and the " an example of the liberals setting the agenda in public schools".. it's laughable and hypocritical. Some feak somewhere marries an animal and we hear "and dems want to legalize gay marriage. do you see what could happen if we do allow the democratic party destroy the traditional family"
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You're going to have to provide more specifics. Which talking head or conservative has both a) used the "guilt by association" technique and b) complained about it?
If they did, then shame on them, I guess. But general criticisms like yours have about as much validity as a general criticism that "all Democrats want to (insert exaggerated statement)..."
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01-12-2006, 04:44 PM
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You're going to have to provide more specifics. Which talking head or conservative has both a) used the "guilt by association" technique and b) complained about it?
If they did, then shame on them, I guess. But general criticisms like yours have about as much validity as a general criticism that "all Democrats want to (insert exaggerated statement)..."
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Listen to talk Radio and you hear the inuendo every day. To be honest this is why I think these people on the radio are intellectually dishonest becuase they do apply this guilt by association rhetoric about Dems in general and now they complain about it when it is aplliedto one of their own. I don't agree with this tactic at all including when the Democrats use it.
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01-11-2006, 10:43 PM
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Ted Kennedy is a worthless piece of shit. He has no redeeming value unless you need to learn how to murder someone and get away with it. He is a pathetic excuse of a human being.
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01-11-2006, 11:00 PM
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PAPER: Sen. Kennedy was member of all-male club
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Conservative activists aree eager to point out that Sen Ted Kennedy was on shaky ground accusing the Judge Alito of associating with people opposed to the inclusion of women in private institutions, the WASHINGTON TIMES is fronting on Thursday.
The eight-term senator belonged to an all-male social club -- the Owl -- at Harvard University. The Owl refused to admit women until it was forced to do so during the 1980s, according to records kept by the HARVARD CRIMSON, the student newspaper.
A Kennedy spokeswoman said it was an entirely different matter.
"No one can question Senator Kennedy's commitment to equality, justice and civil rights," said Laura Capps. "What he was part of was a social club, not a radical group pushing a radical agenda."
Anyway, she said, even though women were admitted to the university during Mr. Kennedy's tenure, they weren't fully integrated to the campus until much later.
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01-11-2006, 11:51 PM
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PAPER: Sen. Kennedy was member of all-male club
Wed Jan 11 2006 22:40:10 ET
A Kennedy spokeswoman said it was an entirely different matter.
"No one can question Senator Kennedy's commitment to equality, justice and civil rights," said Laura Capps. "What he was part of was a social club, not a radical group pushing a radical agenda."
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Right the democrat party, the party of slavery, the party that has a grand stinking wizard of the KKK, the party that voted against civil rights legislation, the party that wants to keep the brotha' down on the plantation....
Can't be a misogynist.. Puh-leeze.
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01-11-2006, 11:56 PM
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There is nothing that Alito has said that should derail his nomination. he has stated without limitation that he respects the rule of precedence, and that some of his views while he was a reagan administration attorney will not guide him on the bench. all right answers.
the princeton organization is a very embarrassing membership (it was voluntary), from what I have read they were extremely vocal in opposition to women and minorities being admitted into the school. he should stop saying that he doen't recall it, for it is clear that he is a very intelligent person who doesn't "forget" things. just say it was a "youthful indescretion", disown it and move on.
as for the wife leaving the hearings in tears, she's going to need a thicker skin if she is going to stay in dc.
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01-12-2006, 09:46 AM
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There is nothing that Alito has said that should derail his nomination. he has stated without limitation that he respects the rule of precedence, and that some of his views while he was a reagan administration attorney will not guide him on the bench. all right answers.
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Given this, what do you think it will say for the state of the confirmation process when the vote falls along straight party lines?
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01-12-2006, 09:53 AM
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Given this, what do you think it will say for the state of the confirmation process when the vote falls along straight party lines?
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Typical democrat posturing and partisanship.
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Given this, what do you think it will say for the state of the confirmation process when the vote falls along straight party lines?
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I would say that it is business as usual, which is to say that nothing has changed in washington over the last 50 years
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I would say that it is business as usual, which is to say that nothing has changed in washington over the last 50 years
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Oh really...Is that why Ruth Bader Ginsburg (obviously as liberal as they come) got a 96-3 confirmation. It is business as usual (but of course getting worse) for democrats.
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01-12-2006, 11:03 PM
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Oh really...Is that why Ruth Bader Ginsburg (obviously as liberal as they come) got a 96-3 confirmation. It is business as usual (but of course getting worse) for democrats.
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it's interesting that you bring up ginsburg, who answered the questions in a very direct manner. maybe that is why she was approved with the vote of 96-3.
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01-12-2006, 06:01 PM
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as for the wife leaving the hearings in tears, she's going to need a thicker skin if she is going to stay in dc.
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Yeah, and that rape victim "shouldn't have been wearing that short dress"
... and when Russian parents watched their children slaughered at the hands of terrorists in Belsan, they were just "reaping what they sowed"
get some class, asshole
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Yeah, and that rape victim "shouldn't have been wearing that short dress"
... and when Russian parents watched their children slaughered at the hands of terrorists in Belsan, they were just "reaping what they sowed"
get some class, asshole
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after you, like the scarecrow you so much resemble, get a brain.
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01-13-2006, 08:56 AM
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after you, like the scarecrow you so much resemble, get a brain.
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Keep on blaming the victim, dude. Show us what kind of person you are.
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01-12-2006, 12:09 AM
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as for the wife leaving the hearings in tears, she's going to need a thicker skin if she is going to stay in dc.
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Yea in the words of Kos...screw her.
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01-12-2006, 12:13 AM
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Look who's calling Alito racist and bigot, a drunkard who manslaughtered a young woman.
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Guys, I'm a good Republican like you are, but I'm starting to think that the only voice of reason--reason, that is--is from Mavdog. Anyday now I'm expecting to see this renamed the "Republican Party Lovers and Apologists Forum."
Whether you like it or not, dude, Mavdog is spot-on. Politics is a full-contact sport, unless somehow you own enough of the marbles to take away the sport from the other side.
I'm growing tired of sanctimonious Republicans who think they have carte blanche. That's not ever the way it was supposed to be. And--news flash--that's not quite the way it is now, as much as I'm sure you would like it to be.
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01-12-2006, 08:12 AM
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so is there no such thing as going overboard in politics?
Is there no reason to complain about the idiocy and ugliness that are these "hearings"?
Does Leahy need to grow up and take it with a smile when Biden blows-hard?
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01-12-2006, 09:49 AM
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Guys, I'm a good Republican like you are, but I'm starting to think that the only voice of reason--reason, that is--is from Mavdog. Anyday now I'm expecting to see this renamed the "Republican Party Lovers and Apologists Forum."
Whether you like it or not, dude, Mavdog is spot-on. Politics is a full-contact sport, unless somehow you own enough of the marbles to take away the sport from the other side.
I'm growing tired of sanctimonious Republicans who think they have carte blanche. That's not ever the way it was supposed to be. And--news flash--that's not quite the way it is now, as much as I'm sure you would like it to be.
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So you actually think this charade of a hearing, pulling up 30 year old fraternity/club notes is relevant? Or like pulling up a judges video rental records is relevant?
It's ONLY relevant if you are a democrat. When was the last Democrat Nominee subjected to character assasination? The democrat party is pathetic. Their behaviour in these hearings is worse than pathetic. It's insulting.
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So you actually think this charade of a hearing, pulling up 30 year old fraternity/club notes is relevant? Or like pulling up a judges video rental records is relevant?
It's ONLY relevant if you are a democrat. When was the last Democrat Nominee subjected to character assasination? The democrat party is pathetic. Their behaviour in these hearings is worse than pathetic. It's insulting.
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When was the last democratic nominee...would be a better question.
And all that about the party of slavery and yada yada is blatantly stupid. Politics is a dirty business and just because your favorite mud slingers are getting muddy for once does not allow you to get all high and mighty like you don't do it too.
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When was the last democratic nominee...would be a better question.
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Yeah, I wonder why we haven't had one of those in a while?
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When was the last democratic nominee...would be a better question.
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Breyer and Ginsburg in '94 and '93 respectively. And because it was business as usual then you would expect to see a down the line partisan vote like you have by the dems. But NO...Ginsburg 96-3 confirmation and Breyer 87-9...
What's the difference...In one case adults were in opposition, in the other democrats.
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And all that about the party of slavery and yada yada is blatantly stupid. Politics is a dirty business and just because your favorite mud slingers are getting muddy for once does not allow you to get all high and mighty like you don't do it too.
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Not stupid, true.
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Maybe I really shouldn't fuss about kennedy and the democrats. They are the gift that just keeps on giving. As varifrank illustrates.
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Thats It???
That's it? Thats all they brought? Thousands of man hours, Senate aides working through the night, private investigators pouring through everything that the man has touched or stood next to in 40 years, and this is all they got for it?
Is this the "Big Bad Democrat Machine"? This is supposed to make me quake in my conservative right wing fanatic boots?
Are you kidding me? It's like hearing Kerry is running for President again, you salivate for this sort of match.
Ted Kennedy, Pat Leahy, Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden, the Mt. Rushmore of modern liberalism.... ( no wonder their party is going into the dumpster faster than undercooked airline food).
Why would anyone ever give a dime to support these frauds? Its not like they get anything for their money, These guys arent even "good TV".
I cant get over the asinine nature of the questions they asked. Did they really think that he would just pop out there and say " Yes Senator, I want Womenfolk to be barefoot and pregnant and in the kitchen cookin' me and my menfolk a nice big possum supper every Sunday"
Come on.... 24 minutes of posturing, with Alito answering the issue in about 30 seconds, only to have the gasbag Senator say " you didnt answer my question". Only he did, and it was obvious to everyone that he did.
Every public display of pompus bloviation from Teddy is worth another electoral vote for the Republicans. Everytime Biden smiles, its another 100,000 votes for Republicans. Everytime Schumer looks over his glasses, another Generation X kid says 'whoa, dude. Youre harshing my mellow..."
I was worried about Miers getting through the dreaded "Democrat Gauntlet" but after this pitiful display I think one of the Bush twins could get in.
Why would any liberal give money to a Democrat? I mean if you are going to lose anyway ( and after this sad pathetic display in a long series of sad pathetic displays you have to finally agree that you are going to lose), why not give money to a Green or a Socialist which is where you heart is anyway? If you are going to lose, you might at least go down fighting for something you believe in, even I can respect that idea. How can anyone believe anything these frauds say?
These guys are just pathetic. But I didnt vote for them and I dont support them. I wonder how someone who has supported them in the past feels about their heroes now?
This is the day the Democrats finally lost their "moral authority" badge. It took them kicking a man in the face and humiliating him while his wife watched for them to do it, but the finally showed the world for the disgusting power drunk bullies that they really are.
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Kennedy is an embarassment to the citizens of the United States. He is an awful man.
chummy- there is room for decorum in politics so I call bullshit on that one. (If that is what you were driving at). Although thick skin is an asset in politics, the need to have it shouldn't be you primary qualification. All politicians should remember the former days when heated debate on the floor was done so with courtesy and respect. The dems of late have completely lost sight of that to the point of manufacturing lies about Alito. It is disgusting.
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Kennedy is an embarassment to the citizens of the United States. He is an awful man.
chummy- there is room for decorum in politics so I call bullshit on that one. (If that is what you were driving at). Although thick skin is an asset in politics, the need to have it shouldn't be you primary qualification. All politicians should remember the former days when heated debate on the floor was done so with courtesy and respect. The dems of late have completely lost sight of that to the point of manufacturing lies about Alito. It is disgusting.
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just what are these supposed "lies about alito"?
the statement that it is one party, and not ALL political parties, who play "harball" is ridiculous. the recent attacks on murtha speak volumes.
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just what are these supposed "lies about alito"?
the statement that it is one party, and not ALL political parties, who play "harball" is ridiculous. the recent attacks on murtha speak volumes.
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Was Murtha sitting is a confirmation hearing? don't you think it's a little bit different comments made in the public forum versus in the seat of the senate. Don't you sort of expect YOUR senators to have a little class?
And don't come whining about Murtha when dubya has been villified by the left for years. Even BEFORE Iraq. I haven't seen murtha being called a bigot recently? A person providing moral support to the enemy but that's a fact, not a fiction.
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Was Murtha sitting is a confirmation hearing? don't you think it's a little bit different comments made in the public forum versus in the seat of the senate. Don't you sort of expect YOUR senators to have a little class?
And don't come whining about Murtha when dubya has been villified by the left for years. Even BEFORE Iraq. I haven't seen murtha being called a bigot recently? A person providing moral support to the enemy but that's a fact, not a fiction.
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no, I don't see the difference that you seem to be suggesting should exist.
did anybody call alioto a "bigot"? no, the question (which is very relevant btw) is if he was a member of a racist/sexist/homophobic group, which by alioto's own hand says he was, does he embrace that viewpoint? after all, he is seeking a lifetime position on the country's highest court.
I don't see anything that has been said in the confirmation hearings that exhibits a "lack of class". if you find something, let us know...
bush has been vilified, just like clinton was. a bit ironic to whine of his supposed mistreatment when the same conduct was done in the 90's.
this is a ruse on "moral support for the enemy" bs. merely an attempt to stifle criticism, criticism that is well deserved IMO.
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did anybody call alioto a "bigot"? no, the question (which is very relevant btw) is if he was a member of a racist/sexist/homophobic group, which by alioto's own hand says he was, does he embrace that viewpoint? after all, he is seeking a lifetime position on the country's highest court.
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I don't have a problem with presenting the views of some of the members of the CAP and asking Alito if those were his views then or now, but when Alito says he doesn't remember being in the group and certainly didn't know they espoused any racist/sexist views, why can't that be accepted at face value? No, Kennedy and others have insisted on implying that he is lying in both answers.
So yeah, they may not have said, "Alito, you're a bigot," but they've implied it for sure.
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Pretty classy to call somebody a liar and imply he's a racist and sexist. Pretty classy to grandstand and demand, for the first time, that the hearings be stopped so that further records can be subpoenaed from CAP.
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bush has been vilified, just like clinton was. a bit ironic to whine of his supposed mistreatment when the same conduct was done in the 90's.
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Do you really think that Clinton was villified as badly as Bush has been?
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But this one is all kind of over, isn’t it? It definitively ended when Mrs. Alito walked out in tears. But to me it seemed over on day one. The Democrats on the committee seemed forlorn in a way, as if they knew deep in their hearts that nobody’s listening. Two decades ago they could make their speeches and fake their indignation and accuse a Robert Bork of being a racist chauvinist woman hater and their accusations would ring throughout the country. But now the media they relied on have lost their monopoly. Everyone who’s fired at gets to fire back, shot for shot.
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And thank God for it. It will be continually interesting to watch the dems and the media crash and burn as they ratchet up the rhetoric hotter and hotter to try and get someone, anyone to take them seriously.
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"Yankees fans who say “flags fly forever’’ are right, you never lose that. It reinforces all the good things about being a fan. ... It’s black and white. You (the Mavs) won a title. That’s it and no one can say s--- about it.’’
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01-12-2006, 10:54 AM
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Old School Balla
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Mavdog - You're right. Nothing has changed in Washington, and it's probably not going to change. I don't agree with your "get thicker skin" comment above, mainly because Alito's wife is not a politician. Why should she just brush it off when her husband is being defamed?
chumdawg - You're off-base with your comments above. I don't dispute that most posters in this forum are Republicans, nor do I dispute that sometimes the rhetoric gets a bit out of control. But to suggest that everybody other than Mavdog (whom I like, btw) is being unreasonable is incorrect. Of course, since your criticism was very general, it's difficult to figure out what you mean. Perhaps you could provide more specifics.
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01-12-2006, 11:52 AM
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Minister of Soul
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kg_veteran
Mavdog - You're right. Nothing has changed in Washington, and it's probably not going to change. I don't agree with your "get thicker skin" comment above, mainly because Alito's wife is not a politician. Why should she just brush it off when her husband is being defamed?
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Not only that, but likely, she had higher expectations for the level of personal decency to be delivered from US Senators than she would (and will) for members of the media, talking heads, political strategists, analysis, campaigners, money raisers, and everything else out there.
She wept for the state of the Democratic party on a national level, figuratively.
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01-12-2006, 12:13 PM
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Banned
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhylan
Not only that, but likely, she had higher expectations for the level of personal decency to be delivered from US Senators than she would (and will) for members of the media, talking heads, political strategists, analysis, campaigners, money raisers, and everything else out there.
She wept for the state of the Democratic party on a national level, figuratively.
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Great post.
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01-12-2006, 12:13 PM
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I was going to reply to mavdogs rediculous question but I see that it has been amply addressed.
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