Avery Johnson Fired! - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-27-2012, 01:07 PM

Christmas came a tad late this year. Hard not to revel at this...

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/stor...starting-14-14

Blackspider · 12-27-2012, 01:15 PM

Not surprised in the least. He held our teams back when he was here. He's just not a good X's and O's coach at all. Especially plays out of timeouts. And does not know how to manage a roster.

He got schooled by Riley in 06 and then went to the fetal position against Golden State when we had like the 3rd best record in NBA history and changed our lineup and strategy for them.

He's just not a good coach.

LSMF · 12-27-2012, 01:33 PM

He should just leave the coaching thing alone.

lol avery

Justafix · 12-27-2012, 01:40 PM

His strength was always motivating people. (see Saints winning the Superbowl) But that only works for so long.

Its kinda hard to survive in one place when one considers his micromanaging dictatorship-style not changing very much at all over the years.

j0Shi · 12-27-2012, 01:56 PM

Too bad. Would have loved to see them suck under Avery a bit longer

Interesting: Poll of ESPN.com mostly blames Deron for struggles, does not agree with firing.

sefant77 · 12-27-2012, 02:02 PM

No surprise, just a matter of time

Too bad they didnt let him screw the time at least during one postseason. On the other hand, the Nets wont go anywhere with this roster anyway...2nd round best.

adonis · 12-27-2012, 02:05 PM

Agree with everyone, no surprise here.

Dirk should have had at least another MVP, probably in 2006, the way he carried a team with AJ as the head coach and a much weaker supporting cast than Nash's.

sefant77 · 12-27-2012, 02:19 PM

Deron should have choose Dallas. Dirk and RC > Avery/Jay-Crap

Dtownsfinest · 12-27-2012, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackspider

Not surprised in the least. He held our teams back when he was here. He's just not a good X's and O's coach at all. Especially plays out of timeouts. And does not know how to manage a roster.

He got schooled by Riley in 06 and then went to the fetal position against Golden State when we had like the 3rd best record in NBA history and changed our lineup and strategy for them.

He's just not a good coach.

He held us back? He took us to the FINALS. And he got schooled in his 2nd year as a head coach by a Hall of Fame coach? No shame in that lol.

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

Too bad. Would have loved to see them suck under Avery a bit longer

Interesting: Poll of ESPN.com mostly blames Deron for struggles, does not agree with firing.

That's exactly what it looks like to me. How does Avery get coach of the month and a month later is fired? That doesn't even make sense.

I will never understand why Mavs fans have such a hate affair with Avery. I thought he did some good here. This team didn't start playing defense until he coached us. He did some good here. It was time for him to go but i'll always have respect for what he did for us.

Dtownsfinest · 12-27-2012, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Deron should have choose Dallas. Dirk and RC > Avery/Jay-Crap

He would've got Rick Carlisle fired and probably Dirk would've demanded to be traded just to get away from Deron.

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-27-2012, 02:41 PM

Deron just isn't the superstar that he was in Utah anymore. We'll see if a new coach changes that.

sefant77 · 12-27-2012, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

He would've got Rick Carlisle fired and probably Dirk would've demanded to be traded just to get away from Deron.

No, he would be the Robin to a franchise player. Perfect role for him.

Because Deron isnt a franchise player....

sefant77 · 12-27-2012, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

He held us back? He took us to the FINALS. And he got schooled in his 2nd year as a head coach by a Hall of Fame coach? No shame in that lol.

got schooled?

Panicked like a little b****

He15man · 12-27-2012, 03:02 PM

Sucks for you D-Will

Blackspider · 12-27-2012, 03:12 PM

Yes he held us back. I compare him to Ron Wash of the Rangers. Neither are good managers/coaches and lived off the talent. Both teams would have more titles than they have if they had a better guy in charge. Dirk led us to that Finals, not Avery. Avery is a motivator. Didn't he give the pre game speech in Game 7 against Blazers in 03? He's good at that but that only gets you so far before they stop listening. Happened in Dallas in 08 and happened here now. He's lost both teams he has coached so far.

Dtownsfinest · 12-27-2012, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackspider

Yes he held us back. I compare him to Ron Wash of the Rangers. Neither are good managers/coaches and lived off the talent. Both teams would have more titles than they have if they had a better guy in charge. Dirk led us to that Finals, not Avery. Avery is a motivator. Didn't he give the pre game speech in Game 7 against Blazers in 03? He's good at that but that only gets you so far before they stop listening. Happened in Dallas in 08 and happened here now. He's lost both teams he has coached so far.

That's just insane to me. You get your team to the Finals or in Ron Washington's case, the World Series TWICE and he is holding the Rangers back? What kind of logic is this?

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-27-2012, 05:15 PM

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Avery Johnson is out in Brooklyn, but Deron Williams' own demise is sinking the Nets

Avery Johnson had this amazing ability to irritate everyone, a relentlessness of back-room politicking and angling that eventually costs him trust and contributes to costing him jobs. This is the reason that it took so long for a franchise to rehire him after the Dallas Mavericks fired him, and why it will likely take so long again.
From the Eastern Conference's Coach of the Month in November, Johnson didn't make it until New Year's Day. This was no power struggle with general manager Billy King, but it appeared to surprise Johnson once the franchise's extension talks with the GM came before those with the coach, sources said.
Johnson badly wanted a contract extension with the Nets, and the organization was unwilling to deliver it until he had taken this upgraded and expensive roster into the playoffs. In the end, there was a sense that Johnson had lost too much of this locker room – that the Nets had lost their way – and ownership and King came to a decision together to fire him on Thursday morning.
Within the organization, the Nets' recent free-fall had made them resemble a lottery team again, and King – with the support of ownership – ultimately wanted a change now, sources said. An able tactician, Johnson had built up too little organizational goodwill once the Nets started to spiral to 10 losses in 13 games this month.
There's a reason all those former Spurs teammates who became GMs never considered hiring Johnson as coach. From Cleveland to Phoenix, they all passed on Johnson. His demand for control, his penchant for passing blame – in ways large and small – played a part in his demise.
Two-and-a-half years ago, the Nets needed toughness and accountability restored. And when Jeff Van Gundy and Tom Thibodeau turned down the Nets, Russian owner Mikhail Prokhorov and former GM Rod Thorn settled on Johnson. In a lot of ways, he was never built for the long run, and he never learned from his undoing in Dallas.
For now, P.J. Carlesimo will get a chance as interim coach, but he's no long-term solution for the Nets. In a perfect scenario for Carlesimo, the Nets play better, start winning again and he gets them into the playoffs. Nevertheless, he's a stopgap for a staff short on head-coaching experience.
King is expected to investigate several candidates, but it won't be easy to convince high-profile possibilities like Jeff or Stan Van Gundy to take over in the middle of a season. With Dwight Howard still uncommitted long-term to the Los Angeles Lakers, it's unlikely the Nets would pursue either Van Gundy until every bit of hope for a possible Howard trade is exhausted. And truth be told, the demise of Deron Williams' career makes this job less appealing every day.
As much as Johnson's own craving for control, the biggest issue for the coach has been the regression of Williams. With Williams no longer playing like a superstar guard and grumbling over Johnson's offense the way he used to grumble over Jerry Sloan's in his final Jazz days, no one with significant coaching options will be dying to take over with him as the centerpiece.
King did everything right in trading for Williams and recruiting him to re-sign, but only Williams knows how much of his struggles can be blamed on the offense, on injuries, or, perhaps, on his own desire to stay a great player.
Back when Mike Brown was considering the chance to be the Nets' coach, someone with knowledge of the Russian ownership group had warned him: You don't want to be the Russian's first coach, be the second one.
Nevertheless, this wasn't as rash of a decision as it feels with the Nets losing 10 of 13 games this month. Johnson had moved into the final year of his contract, wanted an extension and the Nets were left with a choice: Give it to him, or move him out now.
Perhaps that could've been a decision given more time, but Johnson has never made these things easy on himself. From the moment he was hired as coach, he methodically ingratiated himself with Prokhorov and the owner's emissaries running the Nets stateside. Yet, there was no contract extension coming for Johnson and no commitment for a long-term partnership.
In the end, Billy King will get to choose his own coach, the way that it almost always works within NBA franchises. CEO Brett Yormark – who oversees the business side, not basketball – has always loved John Calipari. Yormark even traveled to Lexington to see a Kentucky game this season. Nevertheless, Yormark doesn't have the power to try and bring Calipari to the Nets as emperor again. Calipari loves New York, but he wouldn't return without complete control.
That won't happen with King ruling the day – not unless Yormark won over ownership on Kentucky's coach. For now, the Nets aren't chasing a power-play on the sideline, but a basketball coach to get this roster righted, get the team back on course for a playoff push. Between now and then, Deron Williams has the ability to make this job the most appealing again. King sold Williams on Brooklyn, and now he needs to sell a coach on his franchise player.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--av...205709848.html

dude1394 · 12-27-2012, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Deron should have choose Dallas. Dirk and RC > Avery/Jay-Crap

I reallly thought that Avery was our ace in the hole with respect to Deron. Deron showed me, he just got him fired..

But now they have to go through that coaching carosel. Deron will waste 3 years and MAYBE get a decent coach. Bad choice imo.

dude1394 · 12-27-2012, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

He would've got Rick Carlisle fired and probably Dirk would've demanded to be traded just to get away from Deron.

Doubt it seriously.

dude1394 · 12-27-2012, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

got schooled?

Panicked like a little b****

Play harder, play like me. If you payed attention you could see he was way over his head.

dude1394 · 12-27-2012, 06:10 PM

Avery desperately needs to be an assistant coach for about 5 years to learn something. Humility being one of them.

j0Shi · 12-27-2012, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

He would've got Rick Carlisle fired and probably Dirk would've demanded to be traded just to get away from Deron.

Not quite but right now you can make a fair point that Dallas dodged a bullet. Compared to other max players he looks like a complete joke. And Joe Johnson is overpaid ever since Atlanta extended him. Both are not in the LeBron/Durant/Paul elite class.

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-27-2012, 06:45 PM

Well dodging the Williams bullet is in a sense a small victory for plan powder. You can't have a coach killer with a max contract on your team. If Mayo became a coach killer, then you could easily trade his reasonable contract.

Oh and Aldridge reports that Phil Jackson has 0 interest in the Nets job.

sefant77 · 12-27-2012, 08:53 PM

wilmtalk · 12-27-2012, 11:12 PM

Never cared much for Williams. He ragged on Sloan's offense. Then when he was in NY he said that the team should run Sloan's offense which they started to incorperate before AJ got fired. He blaimed the offense for his inability to hit open shots. J. Kidd took a jab at him for that comment. He would have sucked in Dallas just as badly and but now the nets are stuck with him instead of Dallas.

Dirkadirkastan · 12-28-2012, 01:13 AM

How does Brook not overhear the play call?

Thespiralgoeson · 12-28-2012, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

He held us back? He took us to the FINALS. And he got schooled in his 2nd year as a head coach by a Hall of Fame coach? No shame in that lol.

That's exactly what it looks like to me. How does Avery get coach of the month and a month later is fired? That doesn't even make sense.

I will never understand why Mavs fans have such a hate affair with Avery. I thought he did some good here. This team didn't start playing defense until he coached us. He did some good here. It was time for him to go but i'll always have respect for what he did for us.

Holy sh*t! There's still someone here who defends Avery? Seriously?!

As for Avery being fired, well the words of Philip J. Fry sum up my feelings perfectly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4vIBijzg4w