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FINtastic · 07-06-2009, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

That's hardcore stuff, thanks!

These were some opinions of Raps fans:

Okay, after hearing what those Rap fans said, I'm down with this move. I always liked Marion, and combining him with a guy like Kidd should bring him back to a level closer to what we saw in Phoenix (although he'll never be in a system that fits him as well as Dan Tony ball). I'm still not sure how exactly we make Howard and Marion work, but that's Carlisle's problem to work out.

SMC0007 · 07-06-2009, 11:00 PM

Not sure of the availability of some of these but:

Von Wafer
Fred Jones
Keith Bogans
Chris Wilcocks
Morris Almond
Ryan Hollins
James Singleton

jthig32 · 07-06-2009, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

If Marion comes I really don't see a place for Bass, but I want to keep Singleton. Hopefully that doesn't require the LLE.

I'm fine with Josh/Marion as the starting 2/3, and a defensive option like Ross is a nice guy to have on the bench. It'd sure be nice if there was a way to get Parker and Marion in the prospective S&T. I think I'd want to save the LLE for next year in that case.

Assuming no Parker and Singleton doesn't cost the LLE, I still think a SG with good size and an offensive game would be nice to have. That brings me back to Wafer.

96 minutes at the 2/3 position.

Say Marion plays 25 minutes at SF (10 at PF).

Josh plays 35 minutes, all at SF/SG.

Jet plays 30ish minutes at SG.

Where do minutes for a backup SG come from?

I honestly think I'd hang onto the LLE given what we know of the roster right now (assuming the trade goes through).

FINtastic · 07-06-2009, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

I did say "at the least." It wasn't all-inclusive. Sorry to overlook you, though.

I was just hoping my vast contributions to that thread would get more notice than "at least"

I'm just messing with you though.

mavs777 · 07-06-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

96 minutes at the 2/3 position.

Say Marion plays 25 minutes at SF (10 at PF).

Josh plays 35 minutes, all at SF/SG.

Jet plays 30ish minutes at SG.

Where do minutes for a backup SG come from?

I honestly think I'd hang onto the LLE given what we know of the roster right now (assuming the trade goes through).

Parker and Jet can play a little together

edit: But for how long? Doubt they package Parker with him anyways. No to SG off bench, BTW I am of impression if need be Barnes can play a few minutes at the 4 as well as the 2

darkwitzki · 07-06-2009, 11:04 PM

Nice addition though, but can he thrive on a halfcourt paced Mavs?

nowhereman · 07-06-2009, 11:04 PM

I really want Quisy with the LLE... or maybe someone that can make a 3 pointer to space out the floor.

That said, on a somewhat related note going back to what Boba said, I do think Josh > Redd at this point.

grndmstr_c · 07-06-2009, 11:04 PM

I wouldn't hate Barnes. Wouldn't love him, either.

jthig32 · 07-06-2009, 11:07 PM

Stack, we do not have early bird on Singleton.

BG, yes the LLE exception is also known as the BiAnnual Exception. You can only use it every other year.

I think UD may be right, backup PG might be a focus. Fish had a note yesterday that the Mavs might view JJB as a better option at SG. Which makes me a bit nauseous.

grndmstr_c · 07-06-2009, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

I honestly think I'd hang onto the LLE given what we know of the roster right now (assuming the trade goes through).

If Wright sticks, I can definitely see that as perhaps the best choice. It could always be used later if somebody more compelling comes along.

Underdog · 07-06-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

I wouldn't hate Barnes. Wouldn't love him, either.

Kidd/Barea
Josh/JET
Marion/Barnes
Dirk/Singleton
Gortat/Damp

That's a pretty badass bench (and a strong enough starting 5 to render it virtually useless!)

darkwitzki · 07-06-2009, 11:11 PM

Josh and Damp for someone the likes of Boozer PF prototype dude.

grndmstr_c · 07-06-2009, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by darkwitzki

Josh and Damp for someone the likes of Boozer PF prototype dude.

Barf

Flacolaco · 07-06-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

One nice thing about this..we will know tomorrow or Wednesday at the very latest if it's going to happen or not. Whereas we have to wait another 9 gays for the Gortat thing to be official.

Underrated.

Underdog · 07-06-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

I think UD may be right, backup PG might be a focus. Fish had a note yesterday that the Mavs might view JJB as a better option at SG. Which makes me a bit nauseous.

Which PG's would be available for that price?

We should be looking for an eventual replacement for Kidd, or at least someone who's a "truer" PG than Barea (because Fish is right about JJB being more of a SG, which makes him pretty much useless in this proposed lineup - especially if Ross eats up a few minutes at the 2!)

destroy ALL · 07-06-2009, 11:23 PM

what can we get for j-ho? casue i really want josh smith or andre igodala.

Flacolaco · 07-06-2009, 11:25 PM

If you're looking for a point guard of the future...."Fuhhhget about iiiiit"

I would think that such a beast would come at a high price, or via first round pick (that we don't have).

That's part of the hugeness (awesome word) of the Kidd signing. They've got 2-3 years to figure it out.

Nowitzki4President · 07-06-2009, 11:29 PM

I just got home after a long day. So it'll be hard to keep up with whats going on right now.

How close is this deal to being done?

Who are the proposed players in the deal?

And who's the third team, if there is one?

If anyone could catch me up to date of whats going on, that'd be great!

grndmstr_c · 07-06-2009, 11:30 PM

I don't think the Mavs even consider signing another PG until after they've gotten an up-close look at Boobie in summer league.

RoddyB#3 · 07-06-2009, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Which PG's would be available for that price?

We should be looking for an eventual replacement for Kidd, or at least someone who's a "truer" PG than Barea (because Fish is right about JJB being more of a SG, which makes him pretty much useless in this proposed lineup - especially if Ross eats up a few minutes at the 2!)

Roddy is the FUTURE!

grndmstr_c · 07-06-2009, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nowitzki4President

I just got home after a long day. So it'll be hard to keep up with whats going on right now.

How close is this deal to being done?

Who are the proposed players in the deal?

And who's the third team, if there is one?

If anyone could catch me up to date of whats going on, that'd be great!

If you want speculation, see the articles on db.com. The only name I've seen that's come up (other than Marion and Stack) is Humphries.

StackAttack · 07-06-2009, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nowitzki4President

I just got home after a long day. So it'll be hard to keep up with whats going on right now.

How close is this deal to being done?

Who are the proposed players in the deal?

And who's the third team, if there is one?

If anyone could catch me up to date of whats going on, that'd be great!

Literally this entire thread is based on rumblings of some sort of discussion about a sign-and-trade for Shawn Marion. Mavs fans are very easy to excite.

BGMaverick9 · 07-06-2009, 11:31 PM

PGs:
Stephon Marbury
Lindsey Hunter
Anthony Carter
Tyronn Lue
Brevin Knight

I'm not sure if it's worth it. Barea might be SEEN as a SG, but there aren't any minutes for him there. Roddy isn't going to be ready more than likely, so Barea has gotta be the primary backup. The LLE isn't going to get you that future piece to replace Kidd. That is a project a year or so down the road.

It really depends on what happens with this deal for Marion, what stays and what goes. Right now it seems like the backup to Dirk is one route you can look at, and the backup to Marion could be another...again, just depends on how it shakes out.

FINtastic · 07-06-2009, 11:34 PM

Talk about a list of players that can make your sports pants go limp...

u2sarajevo · 07-06-2009, 11:35 PM

I like this move. It doesn't necessarily make my basketball pants fly around the room.... but it sure is better than having to wait nine whole gays for Gortat to be signed.

Underdog · 07-06-2009, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

I don't think the Mavs even consider signing another PG until after they've gotten an up-close look at Boobie in summer league.

...and Calathes!

Flacolaco · 07-06-2009, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by u2sarajevo

I like this move. It doesn't necessarily make my basketball pants fly around the room.... but it sure is better than having to wait nine whole gays for Gortat to be signed.

I see you've been following the proceedings QUITE closely.

FINtastic · 07-06-2009, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by u2sarajevo

I like this move. It doesn't necessarily make my basketball pants fly around the room.... but it sure is better than having to wait nine whole gays for Gortat to be signed.

I'm open to wait nine whole gays for Gortat.

Zki41 · 07-06-2009, 11:38 PM

If Stack goes for Marion, unless we find some blockbuster trade we'll see these players for sure going into the season:

Dirk
Howard
Kidd
Marion
Gortat
Terry
Dampier
Barea (I don't see us trading him)

If Josh moves to the two, I expect us to use Wright in some kind of trade.

We will probably retain Singleton and Hollins.

I assume we would have George, Williams, and Carroll as inactive under contract, probably use them in trades (though I doubt anyone will pick up Carroll, and I don't we will keep him active).

We need to use Bass in a sign and trade to get anything of value to beefen up our roster. We have a decent amount of trading pieces to add 2 or 3 more solid pieces to our roster.

The priority of moving Dampier has been lessened due to acquiring Gortat, but if we can get any sort of upgrade for him that would be something to consider. I really think we need to thank Terry and let him go and find a solid shooting guard ... most likely the back up point guard issue will be taken care of by Barea and Beaubois. We would be solid at SF with Marion, and PF with Dirk/Singleton/some Marion. The 2 would be our weakest position going into the season despite most likely having Josh start there.

Windmill360 · 07-06-2009, 11:38 PM

git 'er done

Windmill360 · 07-06-2009, 11:39 PM

any way we can S&T Bass so we can keep the stack chip?

Flacolaco · 07-06-2009, 11:39 PM

Don't be so hasty, master Windmill.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 07-06-2009, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by FINtastic

I'm open to wait nine whole gays for Gortat.

That's what HE said.

RoddyB#3 · 07-06-2009, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

PGs:
Stephon Marbury
Lindsey Hunter
Anthony Carter
Tyronn Lue
Brevin Knight

I'm not sure if it's worth it. Barea might be SEEN as a SG, but there aren't any minutes for him there. Roddy isn't going to be ready more than likely, so Barea has gotta be the primary backup. The LLE isn't going to get you that future piece to replace Kidd. That is a project a year or so down the road.

His name is Rodrigue Beaubois

...........Work with me here!

FINtastic · 07-06-2009, 11:40 PM

Considering the Suns originally picked Marion with our draft pick, is it okay to say "The Matrix Returns"?

StackAttack · 07-06-2009, 11:42 PM

Wait. Could someone clarify to me how the Raptors would gain at all from this trade? If anything, they seem to be less financially flexible as a result of this as opposed to letting Marion walk for nothing.

badfish22 · 07-06-2009, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

I will give this offseason an A if we get Marion and Gortat.

IDK if I would give it an A because I don't think it puts us over the spurs or on their level.

Parker>>Kidd
Manu>Howard
Jefferson about = Marion
Bonner?<<<Dirk
Duncan>>Gortat

And they still have their MLE to use. Hopefully we either trade Dampier or wait until closer to the deadline and trade him then.

Underdog · 07-06-2009, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Don't be so hasty, master Windmill.

Wasn't it haste (by Entish standards) that ultimately saved the day?

[this forum is full of nerds...]

Flacolaco · 07-06-2009, 11:43 PM

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Wait. Could someone clarify to me how the Raptors would gain at all from this trade? If anything, they seem to be less financially flexible as a result of this as opposed to letting Marion walk for nothing.

He's right? maybe? ^^

I guess I'm confused about marions contract status.

Nowitzki4President · 07-06-2009, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Zki41

If Stack goes for Marion, unless we find some blockbuster trade we'll see these players for sure going into the season:

Dirk
Howard
Kidd
Marion
Gortat
Terry
Dampier
Barea (I don't see us trading him)

That line up will sure be fun to watch, but I don't know how far that'll get us (Conference finals at best). I think if we do get Marion, and finalize the Gortat signing, that we have one more (at the very least) move in us.

We'd still have Damp to deal, as well as Terry. Damp would go to a team looking to clear room (like the Bucks, Charlotte, etc.) so we should try to get something outta him. As for Terry... to be honest, I know nothing of his contract, but coming off the 6th man year, this is his prime time to be dealt.

So I say we still try to get another 2/3 gaurd (I mean someone who can play both, not either), a good back up for Dirk (since Bass SHOULD be on the move), and maybe a back up center, why not?

EDIT: Not saying we could get all that, but try to get some of those pieces.