Official Dirk is Great Thread

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by ty

Definitely top 10 if there are other PF's in history in that mix that haven't won it all.

If there aren't, then as much as I hate to say it, I don't believe Dirk deserve to be in there.

However, if we were ever to win a championship, Dirk skyrockets into a debate for being the GREATEST of all time imho.

Dirk is never going to be considered the greatest PF because of his defense. You have to be great at both ends to be the greatest.

However, having a title is certainly not a prereq for being a great at your position. At PF that is certainly true, as Malone and Barkley would probably be in just about anyone's top 5 PF's of all time.

[Evilmav2]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Dirk is never going to be considered the greatest PF because of his defense. You have to be great at both ends to be the greatest.

However, having a title is certainly not a prereq for being a great at your position. At PF that is certainly true, as Malone and Barkley would probably be in just about anyone's top 5 PF's of all time.

Yeah, even if Dirk ends up winning a championship or two before he's done, he will probably end up being remembered as a kind of 'asterisk' greatest ever player. The 'Greatest' European or foreign player ever, or perhaps the 'Greatest' shooting power forward. He will definitely finish as one of the top five greatest to have ever played the PF position though...

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by Evilmav2

Yeah, even if Dirk ends up winning a championship or two before he's done, he will probably end up being remembered as a kind of 'asterisk' greatest ever player. The 'Greatest' European or foreign player ever, or perhaps the 'Greatest' shooting power forward. He will definitely finish as one of the top five greatest to have ever played the PF position though...

Greatest European is in the bag.

Great foreign player is difficult to define. If Hakeem counts, Dirk isn't touching him I don't think.

If it's greatest foreign born that didn't attend an American college...you probably have a discussion there, I think.

If he wins a title, he will be in a lot of conversations as top 5 PF of all time, I think.